General/Non-Spurs Transfers

[stevenurse]

Maybe this means athletico go back in for lacazette? Wanted him before he went to the scum. Possible that there's no CL next season? Wouldn't bet against it

 

[Sweech]

Maybe this means athletico go back in for lacazette? Wanted him before he went to the scum. Possible that there's no CL next season? Wouldn't bet against it

I think Cavani will end up there. Seems like a perfect match on paper too.

 

[hellava_tough]

I think de jong and busquets will be a fine midfield. What they truly need is a good coach.

De Jong in, Rakitić out?

Greizmann in, Malcolm out?

Two players that could do a job for us (even though Rakitić is 31)?

 

[hellava_tough]

I think Cavani will end up there. Seems like a perfect match on paper too.

Always liked Cavani

Thought that Man Utd (or even Liverpool) should have gone all out for him a season or two ago

That said, I'm glad they didn't

 

[barry]

De Jong in, Rakitić out?

Greizmann in, Malcolm out?

Two players that could do a job for us (even though Rakitić is 31)?

Definately mate. The coach has made that whole team look worse than they are. Some (Suarez) are definately on the decline, but others just need a fresh start.
I think Rakatic will be a top player well into his mid 30's, as his skillset doesn't rely on immerse athleticism. He would be a great pick up.
I don't know enough about Malcolm, but if Barca bought him in the first place he surely has something about him.
I would love Couhtonho here but his wages and transfer fee will be prohibitive.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Euro 2016 top scorer on way to the final and important part of World Cup winning team last year. I agree about judging players at one tournament but we’re talking about a player who’s played a key part in helping France reach two consecutive finals - this isn’t a midsized country reaching a QF once because of two good performances.

At club level he has good overall numbers in a squad which isn’t overflowing with attacking talent. He turns up regularly in big games.

He’s a world class player.

I truly respect and admire you for all the info and insight you give us into French players, I think Griezmann could be class for Barcelona. We will get the chance to see if he is truly world class.

 

[wirE]

Imo it's a bit weird that AG announce via ATM official website that he is leaving, but no answer to where he's going. That usually comes first before the announcement that one is leaving

 

[Cornpattbuck]

Again I don’t really care all that much about the international stuff.

Plus I’d disagree about the attacking talent at Atletico. They have plenty - it’s just down to Simeone’s system that they play so defensive.

That said he’s still a less than a goal every 2 games attacker for both club AND country and I really don’t think he’s as world class as people make out. I think Barca are making a big mistake here and it’s going to be found out.

Coutinho mk II.

 

[LeParisien]

Are Barca playing in any of those that apparently we have missed?


FYPFY. Where was he in that Juve game?

Irrespective of how much you rate him for France surely you see that this is not a great xfer for barca and nor does it address their issues?

I was responding to the claim that Grizou is massively overrated.

It is frequently claimed that the very best players need to perform on the big stage. I don’t see a bigger stage than the World Cup and his excellent performances for France, including the final, helped them win the biggest prize going.

Also I said he « regularly » turns up in the biggest games. He does for France and Atletico. You cannot pick out individual games as evidence against that.

Where was Ronaldo in the first leg? Where was Messi at Anfield? Etc ad nauseum

Again I don’t really care all that much about the international stuff.

Plus I’d disagree about the attacking talent at Atletico. They have plenty - it’s just down to Simeone’s system that they play so defensive.

That said he’s still a less than a goal every 2 games attacker for both club AND country and I really don’t think he’s as world class as people make out. I think Barca are making a big mistake here and it’s going to be found out.

Fair enough. I guess time will tell.

For Atletico his goal record is a victim of Simeones style. He’s scored 19 in league and CL this year. Second for Atletico is Morata on 6. He has 11 assists. Nearest to him are Koke and Saul on 5. He is unbelievably important to Atletico and they rely on him massively.

I truly respect and admire you for all the info and insight you give us into French players, I think Griezmann could be class for Barcelona. We will get the chance to see if he is truly world class.

Yep! Time will tell !!

 

[LSUY]

Definately mate. The coach has made that whole team look worse than they are. Some (Suarez) are definately on the decline, but others just need a fresh start.
I think Rakatic will be a top player well into his mid 30's, as his skillset doesn't rely on immerse athleticism. He would be a great pick up.
I don't know enough about Malcolm, but if Barca bought him in the first place he surely has something about him.
I would love Couhtonho here but his wages and transfer fee will be prohibitive.

Sell off our stadium to finance it. The meltdown on RAWK alone would make it worthwhile.

 

[Hakkz]

Maybe this means athletico go back in for lacazette? Wanted him before he went to the scum. Possible that there's no CL next season? Wouldn't bet against it

Rumored to be after Dybala and Icardi.

Lacazette is apparently getting offered a new contract at le Arse. This time they realized you want some players on contracts so you actually get something for them.

 

[heelspurs]

It is frequently claimed that the very best players need to perform on the big stage. I don’t see a bigger stage than the World Cup and his excellent performances for France, including the final, helped them win the biggest prize going.

Was he in the top 5 performers for France in that WC? I'm thinking Kante, Umtiti, Pogba, Mbappe and Lloris were all better/more important IMO.

And I think the bigger point is whether or not 125M is good money on a 28yo that is not a can't miss transfer considering their last 2 100+M transfers.

You cannot pick out individual games as evidence against that.

Well, you should if they are big games like a CL knockout tie if you argument is the 'big stage'. Is there a bigger stage in club football? And surely the CL is where Barca are expecting to improve. I can think of a missed penalty for him in the final as well IIRC from a couple years ago.

Where was Ronaldo in the first leg? Where was Messi at Anfield? Etc ad nauseum

Whataboutery and not addressing the point at hand. We are talking about Greizmann, his merits, his potential Barca transfer and its merits. To my knowledge I have made no claims in this thread about Ronaldo or Messi so can't imagine why they'd need to be discussed now nor how it detracts from my statements.

I tend to believe he is overrated. But that doesn't mean he is worthless. In his defense this isn't 'market value' as it is Barca, reportedly, paying an RC. But this does feel desperate and like a ManUnited-big splash-galactico-sell tshirts-win the TW type of signing that doesn't actually address their overall issues/weaknesses. Like you said, we shall see.

 

[LeParisien]

Was he in the top 5 performers for France in that WC? I'm thinking Kante, Umtiti, Pogba, Mbappe and Lloris were all better/more important IMO.

And I think the bigger point is whether or not 125M is good money on a 28yo that is not a can't miss transfer considering their last 2 100+M transfers.


Well, you should if they are big games like a CL knockout tie if you argument is the 'big stage'. Is there a bigger stage in club football? And surely the CL is where Barca are expecting to improve. I can think of a missed penalty for him in the final as well IIRC from a couple years ago.


Whataboutery and not addressing the point at hand. We are talking about Greizmann, his merits, his potential Barca transfer and its merits. To my knowledge I have made no claims in this thread about Ronaldo or Messi so can't imagine why they'd need to be discussed now nor how it detracts from my statements.

I tend to believe he is overrated. But that doesn't mean he is worthless. In his defense this isn't 'market value' as it is Barca, reportedly, paying an RC. But this does feel desperate and like a ManUnited-big splash-galactico-sell tshirts-win the TW type of signing that doesn't actually address their overall issues/weaknesses. Like you said, we shall see.

I do t really have a strong opinion on whether he represents good value. Time will tell.

I do feel strongly that Grizou has done enough in big games and as an important cog in the most successful European nation of the last few years and the most important goal threat (goals and assists) for Atletico to be deemed an outstanding player. If « overrated » comes before a list of more positive adjectives in your description of him, well have to agree to disagree.

Onions

 

[Dharmabum]

Real M. are apparently ready to sell 14 of their current players:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...adrid-ready-ship-FOURTEEN-players-summer.html


Goalkeeper
Keylor Navas


Defenders
Jesus Vallejo, Theo Hernandez and Sergio Reguilon


Midfielders
Dani Ceballos, Marcos Llorente, Mateo Kovacic, James Rodriguez, Martin Odegaard and Oscar Rodriguez


Forwards
Gareth Bale, Lucas Vazquez, Brahim Diaz and Mariano Diaz

 

[wiggo24]

Real M. are apparently ready to sell 14 of their current players:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...adrid-ready-ship-FOURTEEN-players-summer.html


Goalkeeper
Keylor Navas


Defenders
Jesus Vallejo, Theo Hernandez and Sergio Reguilon


Midfielders
Dani Ceballos, Marcos Llorente, Mateo Kovacic, James Rodriguez, Martin Odegaard and Oscar Rodriguez


Forwards
Gareth Bale, Lucas Vazquez, Brahim Diaz and Mariano Diaz

Wouldn't mind a crack at Odegaard, he's looking really good in the Eredivisie atm

 

[Dharmabum]

Dybala's seem set on leaving Juve. Just telling, doubt Spurs can afford him.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...s-brother-says-sibling-set-Juventus-exit.html

 

[Marty]

Real M. are apparently ready to sell 14 of their current players:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...adrid-ready-ship-FOURTEEN-players-summer.html


Goalkeeper
Keylor Navas


Defenders
Jesus Vallejo, Theo Hernandez and Sergio Reguilon


Midfielders
Dani Ceballos, Marcos Llorente, Mateo Kovacic, James Rodriguez, Martin Odegaard and Oscar Rodriguez


Forwards
Gareth Bale, Lucas Vazquez, Brahim Diaz and Mariano Diaz

I assume this includes on loan as players like Ødegaard and Diaz are still young, and Diaz literally signed for them in January so it would be weird to ship him out permanently so soon.

Navas is a weird one as Zidane was the only reason he wasn't shipped out two or three years ago. Maybe Zidane's changed his mind on him after those months away.

 

[ikky]

Jovic to RM for €60m being reported

 

[tototoner]

Yeap done deal, good player.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

Yeap done deal, good player.

Not really a done deal though. They might have agreed it, but the window for Spanish clubs doesn't open until 9th July, so reports of a "completed" deal are, quite frankly, bollocks...