Match Threads Fulham vs Spurs

[gibbospurs]

Clean up in aisle 3. Bring Pampers

Sorry I want my team to win something!! Wum boy.

 

[St José Dominguez]

All I’m seeing is fans saying Ange got the starting team wrong and we went out cos of it and a load of supporters countering it suggesting fans are melting down and calling for Anges head.
Going forward CL money is important but personally I’d rather have won a cup this season, I think the club and fans need it more than a few CL games next season. Frustrating for me but doesn’t mean we haven’t started really positively under Postecoglu and I’m certain he’s the right man. He just fucked up today, hardly the end of the world.

 

[WiganSpur]

I think he trusted his players, I’m not sure he will again.

Im not talking Sanchez or Davies, who I expect he knows about but the likes of GLC, PEH and Royale really did them selves no favours tonight.

I'm not sure Royal was that terrible. Worst players for me were Skipp, GLC, Perisic and Solomon.

 

[Dr Know]

I think Levy picked the team and tactics…….meddling little hobbit

 

[Dannyspur]

Isn’t that pretty much what Ange did in making NINE changes to the starting 11?

Could have made 5 to start and then try the others as substitutes later on if he was desperate to see how they do

 

[tottenhamlad]

Just saw the highlights. How bad is Forster at penalties!

 

[SambaSpurs]

I can understand most of the rotations even though we're not in Europe - players deserve the chance to show that they are worthy of a place in Ange's new system and they need game time to convince them to stay at the club and avoid getting demoralised. However - one rotation I absolutely don't understand was taking out Vicario. He is new to English football and needs game time, you shouldn't be rotating your goalkeeper, and whilst Forster made some good saves in the game he was atrocious in the shootot - I can't help but think if we'd had Vicario in goal for that we'd have gone through.

Hopefully also gives a bit of a warning sign to both Ange and Levy in the final days of the window. We've got an exciting young first XI. But our backup is the same old shit as before. More quality is needed.

They do deserve a chance but not all at once away to premier league opposition if you have the aim of winning the competition. Next round maybe full rotation against Port Vale or some low level team could suffice. In this game make 5 changes max and maybe you can even sun on a few more of the squad options.

He has quite richly taken a lot of praise from Spurs fans and premier league fans generally so far. Tonight he has to take the flack because he had a nightmare.

 

[mad4madders]

To all of you saying it doesn’t matter and it’s not a big cup. I bet you weren’t saying that in 2008! I certainly wasn’t! I got absolutely smashed and had a great day! Meant loads.

 

[Joshua]

We would've had six more games to win, so it's not exactly like we were *so close*.

Seriously? That’s your take away from this?

 

[theShiznit]

I can't blame Sanchez.
I would say of the players left on the pitch he is tenth possibly eleventh best ball striker on the pitch yet somehow he is elevated to take the third penalty, maybe VDV was injured so gets a pass but so many must've shirked it.

Hope Ange sees the "bravery" there.

 

[mad4madders]

Just saw the highlights. How bad is Forster at penalties!

Have to love his technique of just collapsing in the goal tho

 

[SambaSpurs]

Just saw the highlights. How bad is Forster at penalties!

I’ve not seen a worse performance in a shootout. It’s quite hard to come out of one a villain as a keeper but he managed it. Unfortunate as he made some decent saves beforehand.

 

[RuskyM]

Seriously? That’s your take away from this?

My takeaway is we lost on penalties to a good PL team that just got a draw at the Emirates. It happens.

 

[McFlash]

unrealistic expectation for a cup run? says it all

No, not of a cup run, just of where we currently are.
I'd love a cup run but I'm not gonna lose my shit after four games under a new manager and a whole new system.
Yes, it sucks that we're out but some of the over-reactions have been preposterous, especially considering that it was roundly agreed that we need to be a bit patient at present,

 

[Kirito]

how much more evidence does anyone need that this second string is completely useless? How many more completely winnable cup ties must we lose before the penny drops

FFS, rotate in a league game if you really need evidence of how below par our back up Players are. But for just one season as an experiment can we just try and win a trophy like we used to in the olden days.

Before I was 21 I had seen us win two UEFA cups and 3 FA cups. But in the last 32 years i have seen us win just two lousy league cups, and notjhing for 15 years

You care so much but describe the competition we went out of as “lousy”?

Interesting

 

[WiganSpur]

I can understand most of the rotations even though we're not in Europe - players deserve the chance to show that they are worthy of a place in Ange's new system and they need game time to convince them to stay at the club and avoid getting demoralised. However - one rotation I absolutely don't understand was taking out Vicario. He is new to English football and needs game time, you shouldn't be rotating your goalkeeper, and whilst Forster made some good saves in the game he was atrocious in the shootot - I can't help but think if we'd had Vicario in goal for that we'd have gone through.

Hopefully also gives a bit of a warning sign to both Ange and Levy in the final days of the window. We've got an exciting young first XI. But our backup is the same old shit as before. More quality is needed.

Playing Sanchez also felt pointless to me. Not that he was awful defensively, but why break the CB partnership you're trying to build up?

 

[Dov67]

Easy to say in hindsight I suppose. But at the very least i'd have kept the CB pairing and put Vicario in goal (who needs to adapt to the league as quickly as possible) even though during the 90 mins Forster was decent. I get why Lo Celso started, but perhaps another risk was swapping out both of the other CMs.

Sorry mate, but this is NOT in hindsight - as soon as that team came out myself and I reckon tens of thousands of spurs fans KNEW with certainty what was coming. I knew, just as I did when Conte announced the team for sheff Utd game last season.

 

[only1waddle]

Back down to earth.
Frustrating as fuck to have gone out but a game to finally highlight those who aren't good enough, Daniel (COYS),a real mixed bag of those who don't really fit, those who want out, those who did well pre season but not tonight, those who just need moving on..
Ange thrives on adversity but he needs to be given some more technical, intelligent, skillful players to work with.

Onwards.

 

[jimbo]

I hope Ange truly regrets this - but I am just pessimistic that managers we get for another 10 years will learn this.

Maybe it’s not the managers are dictating the approach? Other clubs of similar stature rotate and also tend to put in flat performances. I think it’s just the nature of football now, the league and European qualification is seen as more important by club hierarchies.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I think the big problem first half is essentially we had a midfielder 5 of Gio, PEH, Skipp, Royal and Davies. That’s 4 players who are technically limited and not particularly comfortable with the ball at their feet in advanced positions with maybe the exception of Skipp. Gio was the only player who is more comfortable on the ball and he ended up looking completely isolated by Perisic and Solomon sitting so wide and the tactical limitations behind him resulting in him looking lost and completely ineffective a lot of the time. Even the second half after the subs came on we didn’t particularly improve. Fulham lost steam but even Son, Kulu and Maddison played a number of misplaced passes and couldn’t take hold of the home.

In general this was a tactical mess with too many limited players starting resulting in an off balanced line up that was easily shut down. The only time we maybe looked better in ether half was more down to our superior fitness then us playing better.

Totally agree mate and the way I see it it’s our lack of quality depth back-ups in some areas that is mostly the issue rather than Ange rotating so much.

Rotation and use of the squad is normal and needed to maintain fitness and morale across as season but we lack the quality in some areas still when we rotate.

If we are completely honest the following aren’t good enough:
GK - Forster
CB - Sanchez
LB - Davies
CM - Skipp & PEH

The issue is though our lack of midfield creative and attacking quality depth as without Maddison we look a completely different side.

If Lo Celso isn’t the answer and will be moving on then another creative CM, a RW and a ST are a must along with another top CB.

No way we sign those 4 this late in the window but really that is exactly what we need to have pretty much all of our bases covered for the rest of the season.

If we are then being a bit picky, we could also do with upgrading Forster and Davies (still rather we played Reguillon than Davies but hey).

Rebuild not quite complete then and I don’t expect the remainder of the transfer window to particularly please us but let’s see.

I love Ange and this is not all on him but it is of course very disappointing to go out of the league cup that early even if it was about the toughest draw we could’ve got.