FORMER Manager Watch: Nuno Espírito Santo

[haslemereyid]

It won't go on til the end of the season because the players won't have it. They already looks unhappy. If Nuno tries to have us play out the season whilst taking no shots, having no possession and getting dominated by everyone then there is going to be a mutiny. Even Palace declined to go down this road. They'd seen enough anti-football under Roy and undeniably Nuno is ten times worse.

I hope you are right and I hope it’s doesn’t come to that but it all feels thats where its going..

 

[Mark_147]

To be fair this was one of his better ones but yea it is a little bit meh isn't it. He does also say the same phrases to most questions like 'It is up to us' and 'we need to work hard day by day' but sorry, he's never coached a side to play the way we want to and top level coaches all have their styles and ways of playing and its pretty difficult/near on impossible for them to change their entire philosophy.

Nuno isn't suddenly going to change us into play lots of short passes high posession tiki taka free flowing attacking football it just won't happen, we will get more of the same.

Also when asked about the DNA and style he said 'everyone wants to play good football and everyone wants to score but sometimes you can't', its a very non answer tbh and also it isn't true and some managers way of playing doesn't equate to what fans view as 'good football'.

I recall him saying it's a building process in terms of playing attacking football so he did answer the question.

 

[Teegart]

I’m all for giving managers time. They need time to implement ideas, philosophies, style, tactics etc. As long as there is a clear plan the team are working towards, I think all fans realise this.

The problem is, I don’t think any of us can see what that plan is, other than “let’s play 433 as that’s more attacking than my old 352”. Things I have noticed:

- Pressing triggers have been wildly inconsistent.
- We don’t play through the 3 man midfield at all, often bypassing it completely despite the fact none of our front 3 win headers.
- The profiles of the 3 CMs don’t work for me. Why is Dele playing in a CM3 when he clearly doesn’t work in that shape?
- Zero consistency with CB partnerships. Playing Romero midweek against wolves so he then missed Arsenal, didn’t make sense to me at all.

I know it’s early but I just can’t see what he’s doing. It’s like he’s throwing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks. Just the way I see it, could be wrong, but I’m definitely worried.

 

[talkshowhost86]

We've had some absolute dross as managers over the years but I can't remember any of them having so much fan anger so quickly.

And whilst I'm normally on the 'give it time' bandwagon, this appointment felt off from the start and it feels like it's going South very very quickly.

If it doesn't cost a lot to sack him, I think he's a couple of defeats away from going...and Jebus knows what happens then.

 

[aRTy]

What’s the clubs philosophy??? Serious question, I don’t have a clue what Levy wants. Best stadium and training facilities in the world but fill it with mediocre players and 12th choice manager??
Levy can claim he wants CL football but he isn’t acting like it. Last summer was as shit show and the blame lies higher up than Nuno

I feel like his time is numbered or will atleast be walking on egg shells every summer. He could get away with not spending freely and keeping within our means as he had the old stadiums capacity, and then the subsequent build of the new one as valid excuses. He's now had the reason of no fans and therefore much less revenue, but how long can it last with him charging the highest ticket prices in europe and not showing ambition? I know he's spent a reasonable amount the last couple of windows and i imagine most fans are realistic and know he won't and can't go all football manager like City or Chelsea, but we should be doing better than looking at Gattuso and Nuno.

 

[Guntz]

I just don't get what's happened since the City game?

In that game, we were aggressive and counter-attacked very well. It was very similar to how Liverpool play and it was entertaining watching us break away at pace.

But since then we look nothing like that team.

 

[$hoguN]

I think it’s pretty clear he was the wrong man for the job. Giving him lot of time just inflicts more punishment

 

[ernie78]

I just don't get what's happened since the City game?

In that game, we were aggressive and counter-attacked very well. It was very similar to how Liverpool play and it was entertaining watching us break away at pace.

But since then we look nothing like that team.

Kane came back into the starting 11

 

[aRTy]

I thought we hit rock bottom with Jose. Little did I know that Nuno would smash the glass floor and take us into a black hole. Losing 9 - 1 on aggregate in 3 London derbies is as bad as I can ever remember.

I'll get downvoted for it probabaly, but i'm still of the consensus that with how he had Kane & Son, playing, if he were given a top tier centre back he wouldn't have had to worry so much about the teams awful defensive capability and would've been able to push the team further up the pitch.

Don't get me wrong, it never would have been free-flowing football and still would have went wrong in the end, but it'd be much better than this.

 

[Duke of Northumberland]

Kane came back into the starting 11

There is that, but there was also the first half against Chelsea where it looked as good as against Man City, and Harry was running around and pressing also. Not much else though.

 

[Mackan110]

This was all an Levy appointment. He was free so didn't need to pay anything to get him while Paratici wanted someone else

I just can't wait until we get rid of Nuno and Levy. Nuno will have some more games to try to turn this around but it's not looking good for him.

 

[Harrier]

This was all an Levy appointment. He was free so didn't need to pay anything to get him while Paratici wanted someone else

I just can't wait until we get rid of Nuno and Levy. Nuno will have some more games to try to turn this around but it's not looking good for him.

I think it’s been widely documented it was Paratici that wanted him after the fan kickback ruled out Gattuso.

Levy was said to have had reservations about appointing Nuno.

 

[Freddie]

Based on your logic Lampard and Mason would be more terrible than Nuno??? Ridiculous....And Tuchel is top tier of coaches and who Levy should have hired when he was available.Instead he hesitated and gave Jose more time while Abramovich bit the bullet and hired the BEST available manager.

That is what I am trying to say...who is the most realistic available option...can you please suggest your choice?? Seeing as you cast more than a rudimentary eye.

Based on my logic? Firstly that's not what I've said. Secondly, I was in the 'anyone but Nuno camp' but I do actually happen to think that you've found two of the very few people who would do worse than Nuno. Thirdly, even if they were slight improvements on Nuno there is little sense in sacking a manager (and paying the necessary millions to do so) only to replace him with people who are incrementally better. Get someone who you believe in and actually want rather than untested guys/proven failures. There's very little to suggest Tuchel would have had any interest in Spurs anyway.

I have no idea who would want the job, but the same list as the summer. Potter, Rangnick, Ten Haag, Rodgers, Poch, Gerrard. Do you think Lampard is a better bet than those guys??? I think we might have had a chance with some of those names this summer but the Nuno fiasco may have turned many of them off us now.

 

[rossdapep]

It won't go on til the end of the season because the players won't have it. They already looks unhappy. If Nuno tries to have us play out the season whilst taking no shots, having no possession and getting dominated by everyone then there is going to be a mutiny. Even Palace declined to go down this road. They'd seen enough anti-football under Roy and undeniably Nuno is ten times worse.

Palace didn't go down the Nuno route because Mendes and Nuno kept adding more to their demands, so much so Palace got tired and pulled out. Simon Jordan pretty much confirmed that.

Nuno was clearly dwelling in the hope a bigger job came along, which it did.

 

[rossdapep]

I think it’s been widely documented it was Paratici that wanted him after the fan kickback ruled out Gattuso.

Levy was said to have had reservations about appointing Nuno.

Yeah.

It's such a mess because if Levy had have then said no to Nuno as well, it would have been a case of Paratici getting frustrated with his boss within minutes of joining.

Hopefully Paratici can see that this club, and it's fans, requires a coach who likes to play more on the front foot.

 

[Typical Spurs]

I know this sounds ridiculous but I'm going to say it anyway. Its not just the garbage way we're playing. I just don't like Nuno much. Even if we were flying, as happy as I'd be because I care about the team, I'd still not particularly like him.

I know I don't know the guy. He might be bloody lovely for all I know. But I just can't take to him. It's not just because I didn't want him either. But there's something about him that I find unlikeable and I don't know what it is.

I obviously want us to turn things around. But solely for Tottenham Hotspur and not for him personally. I just find him a bit cold. Almost surly. There's nothing about his demeanour, the way he talks, his body language etc that I care for. That's it, I just don't care for him one bit.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I just don't get what's happened since the City game?

In that game, we were aggressive and counter-attacked very well. It was very similar to how Liverpool play and it was entertaining watching us break away at pace.

But since then we look nothing like that team.

Looking like the crowd got us up for that game, i was at that one and the atmosphere was one of the best I’ve ever been at in 30 years, also Kane was out the team that game but yea it’s crazy since then we’ve looked either average or appalling in every single game since.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I know this sounds ridiculous but I'm going to say it anyway. Its not just the garbage way we're playing. I just don't like Nuno much. Even if we were flying, as happy as I'd be because I care about the team, I'd still not particularly like him.

I know I don't know the guy. He might be bloody lovely for all I know. But I just can't take to him. It's not just because I didn't want him either. But there's something about him that I find unlikeable and I don't know what it is.

I obviously want us to turn things around. But solely for Tottenham Hotspur and not for him personally. I just find him a bit cold. Almost surly. There's nothing about his demeanour, the way he talks, his body language etc that I care for. That's it, I just don't care for him one bit.

Yea I strangely agree, I think people just blindly say oh he’s a nice guy and he’s likeable, is he? Do we know him? Have players said as much?

He seems like he wouldn’t offend anyone but he’s bland as fuck and as you say quite cold, his statements are all so blanket it’s like he’s trying to come across as relaxed but inside he’s not.

I dunno he’s just not the right fit in any way for our club, I feel sorry for him as he’s probably not enjoying this pressure at all but he shouldn’t have been offered the job in the first place.

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

Quite please with Paratici in players transfer. But his appointment of the manager was so wrong. If Nuno is not leaving yet because it was an appointment from Paratici that will make him look bad, I would rather both of them leave together. Can't take any more bore fest and shit stats from Nuno plus ridiculous managerial recommendations from Paratici.

Nuno is Paratici's puppet. The video of Paratici getting very animated from the sidelines in one of the first games suggests he's likely responsible for Nuno's scrambled brain.

Given the lack of options for a new manager I'd feel more confident of turning the season around by getting rid of Paratici and allowing Nuno to revert to a style he understands.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Yeah.

It's such a mess because if Levy had have then said no to Nuno as well, it would have been a case of Paratici getting frustrated with his boss within minutes of joining.

Hopefully Paratici can see that this club, and it's fans, requires a coach who likes to play more on the front foot.

I’d really like to hope so. Paratici comes across pretty well in the bits of media I’ve seen from him, he seems pretty switched on.

Nuno alone in that latest presser got asked about the spurs DNA and style of play about 100x so the club and Paratici MUST be aware of the noise around this so if we eventually fire Nuno and Paratici and Levy between them DONT hire an attacking coach then they’re just as clueless and loopy as each other.

Im hopeful Paratici can learn from this as I think the signings he’s made have been fairly good so far and I don’t mind him rebuilding us but I don’t want Nuno to be part of this, as said before we are just wasting time.