FORMER Manager Watch: Nuno Espírito Santo

[Phil-spur99]

Good shout here. However, Thomas Frank finally won promotion and is doing brilliantly so far in the Premier league so very doubtful he would come. Valverde and Rangnick are available but both have no Prem experience. All the other managers are working and are in the Champs League and Europa. Conte would not be interested now surely after what he's seen thus far.

Basically if he is sacked Ryan Mason may be the most realistic option. That is scary to think a club of our staure (reaching the Champs Lge Final) have fallen so quickly since Poch was sacked two years ago.

Where is Guss Hiddink these days - always seemed to work for Chelsea on a short term basis until the summer (joking).

 

[Guntz]

I would love Frank, I can see some similarities between his Brentford side and Poch's Southampton.

He seems like a great bloke, whilst also being very charismatic and a bit quirky. Plus he's got Brentford playing some exceptional stuff.

 

[Troy]

We really messed up in the off season with the manager search. Erik Ten Hag has done so well over the years. How could we have not been impressed with his body of work (even if he did not interview particularly well). Levy and now Paratici have both messed us up exponentially.

The list of managers drawn up by Hitchen was ideal. Now how can they both save face??? Throw everything at Antonio Conte. Maybe try to bring in Gerrard(but to me he is unproven and even though went unbeaten last year-that was the Scottish league after all). Who knows? But we will soon find out as I expect the shit show to continue on Sunday.

 

[TheTanguy]

We really messed up in the off season with the manager search. Erik Ten Hag has done so well over the years. How could we have not been impressed with his body of work (even if he did not interview particularly well). Levy and now Paratici have both messed us up exponentially.

The list of managers drawn up by Hitchen was ideal. Now how can they both save face??? Throw everything at Antonio Conte. Maybe try to bring in Gerrard(but to me he is unproven and even though went unbeaten last year-that was the Scottish league after all). Who knows? But we will soon find out as I expect the shit show to continue on Sunday.

And the interview with Nuno went so well? Can't think of a more boring and uninspiring man.

 

[rossdapep]

Was just thinking about what JJ said before about having to be careful.

He's right.

Paratici isn't going to fire Nuno now, he won't be so reactive to his own judgement as it would show poor decision making on his part. And show he's rash.

That means Levy would have to step in and do the firing. But that is incredibly dangerous.

Think about it. If Levy tells Paratici that Nuno has to go, Paratici is likely to defend him and say he needs time. If Levy overrules him, then Paratici will almost certainly quit. He won't want to work under those conditions.

Now some of you will think that fine, Paratici made a bad decision on the manager, so why should we care of he's gone.

Well, who is going to want to become a DOF at a club who have just fired a DOF and head coach after barely even 3 months?

No-one. Which means Levy will have to once again position himself as the key decison maker on players, coaches etc.

There's also a chance Hitchen walks, especially if he's built a good relationship with Paratici.

Then we really are up shit street.

 

[rossdapep]

I would love Frank, I can see some similarities between his Brentford side and Poch's Southampton.

He seems like a great bloke, whilst also being very charismatic and a bit quirky. Plus he's got Brentford playing some exceptional stuff.

There are so many good coaches around these days. So many who'd fit with what we are looking for.

 

[AngryBob]

There are so many good coaches around these days. So many who'd fit with what we are looking for.

There are, and that's the real shame when we landed with Nuno, we were at a crossroads and once again took the wrong path, much like supporting Poch fully, we bottled it and didn't commit, the determination the club shows in the promises it makes reminds me of our players atm... not really interested.

Sadly I feel that the toxicity surrounding the club has tarnished our reputation more than we thought, the rot is deep, bedded in and there is no sign of remission. We've gone from a club that had potential, to one that seems to be seen as a lost cause by many, and that's in the space of a season or two. What worries me, well, not even worried anymore more ambivalent. Is that IF we sacked Nuno then that would compound matters even further, and reinforce that fuckwittery going on behind the scenes and we would be adrift for another season again, and again , and again...

There is a dark, dark shadow hanging over this club, I think players see it, managers, fans, finally the press and pundits, but the only person that counts has got his head so far up his arse that unless he digs out 2billion reasons form some orifice or other, this will be the pattern for the next 20 years.

 

[yankspurs]

I still see a Poch return in the next 18 months.

Wheres the optimistic rating when you need it?

 

[Rout-Ledge]

And the interview with Nuno went so well? Can't think of a more boring and uninspiring man.

Levy seems to get suckered in by a good interview too easily. Probably what happened with Paratici too. Good interviewee does not equal good manager.

 

[yankspurs]

I would love Frank, I can see some similarities between his Brentford side and Poch's Southampton.

He seems like a great bloke, whilst also being very charismatic and a bit quirky. Plus he's got Brentford playing some exceptional stuff.

I was on the Thomas Frank train this summer. Would like him here.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Wheres the optimistic rating when you need it?

 

[Crow]

That’s what really worries me about FP; the fact that he thought for even a second Gattuso was the right choice. He’s a journeyman manager who lives off his playing reputation. He falls out with everyone and leaves a trail of destruction after him after about 12-18months

If the club was going to go in that direction (Dear God...) then I'd hope they'd bring in Roy Keane instead, just so I could get to watch his head explode the first time he has to watch Dele and Tanguay amble around the pitch like they're wearing cement boots ?

 

[glacierSpurs]

Was just thinking about what JJ said before about having to be careful.

He's right.

Paratici isn't going to fire Nuno now, he won't be so reactive to his own judgement as it would show poor decision making on his part. And show he's rash.

That means Levy would have to step in and do the firing. But that is incredibly dangerous.

Think about it. If Levy tells Paratici that Nuno has to go, Paratici is likely to defend him and say he needs time. If Levy overrules him, then Paratici will almost certainly quit. He won't want to work under those conditions.

Now some of you will think that fine, Paratici made a bad decision on the manager, so why should we care of he's gone.

Well, who is going to want to become a DOF at a club who have just fired a DOF and head coach after barely even 3 months?

No-one. Which means Levy will have to once again position himself as the key decison maker on players, coaches etc.

There's also a chance Hitchen walks, especially if he's built a good relationship with Paratici.

Then we really are up shit street.

You are right. But I actually don't care now if Paratici, Nuno and Hitchen all go. Like we aren't any good with them here anyways. Nothing to lose. Best if Levy goes too. But he won't.

And I think there will still be other available DoF and managers looking to join. Good for them if they succeed - unprecedented to achieve what their predecessors couldn't. Fine if they got sack as well - so many others before them were the same. They can all point to Levy as the constant. It wouldn't smear their CV much, if at all.

 

[whitesocks]

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Think about it. If Levy tells Paratici that Nuno has to go, Paratici is likely to defend him and say he needs time. If Levy overrules him, then Paratici will almost certainly quit. He won't want to work under those conditions.

,,,

I think paratici would just fire him. Nuno is just a coach. It is not a big deal. That one didn't work? I'll get you another.

 

[Pistols At Dawn]

While I agree Nuno has made some coaching mistakes, his biggest blunder was taking the job at all.

The shadow of Levy/ENIC is long, and this place is cursed.

 

[beats1]

Poch is like that ex that you broke up with,

After being a long relationship you both wanted something different and went your seperate ways

Before she realised she was happier with you, and you decide you want her back

But despite her wanting to, she cant break up with her new fella because, she promised they will stay together until after Christmas when his parents come to visit, who have been on his back to settle down

Meanwhile you're waiting at home with the crazy chick from PoF(the mid table dating app, full of psychos), just trying to get rid of without upsetting her too much that youre scared she might kill you

Its a classic Mexican standoff

 

[Deleted member 29446]

I was on the Thomas Frank train this summer. Would like him here.

He's exactly want we need. He's all about the team spirit and fight for every inch on the pitch. His assistant, Brian Riemer, is even more impressive, he runs training very hard with no days off and demand a ton from his players. Canos just praised him through the roof.
Ohh and Thomas plays great football to, even when he knows they're a weaker side he can adapt, just look against Arsenal and Liverpool. He can play 4231 and 352 as well.
Other than than he's an extremely humble and down to earth good man, and very nitty gritty in the tactics of football.

 

[FITZ]

Paratici has to be the one in control. He’s not going to blindly back Nuno just because he appointed him. If he’s the hirer, he’ll be the firer as well. But he will give Nuno a chance to improve (why wouldn’t he).

People calling for Levy to step in. He doesn’t need to. Paratici just needs to do the job he’s hired to do.

 

[Doctor Dinkey]

and then what will happen?
Who are the realistic candidates?

There are none, and that’s why they’ll hang on to Nuno for as long as possible.
If things get really bad, and it seems like we might be in the relegation discussion, then he’ll be replaced by Mason I would have thought. But they really, really, won’t want to sack him for all the embarrassment and difficulties it would cause.

 

[mr ashley]

He's exactly want we need. He's all about the team spirit and fight for every inch on the pitch. His assistant, Brian Riemer, is even more impressive, he runs training very hard with no days off and demand a ton from his players. Canos just praised him through the roof.
Ohh and Thomas plays great football to, even when he knows they're a weaker side he can adapt, just look against Arsenal and Liverpool. He can play 4231 and 352 as well.
Other than than he's an extremely humble and down to earth good man, and very nitty gritty in the tactics of football.

You can make a solid case for potter, frank and gallardo as managers that could work wonders for us.
But can anyone picture paratici wanting them? Seems unlikely right now.
And like others have said, getting rid of nuno so quickly doesn’t bode well.

We really seem to be in a tough place right now. Can only hope things stabilise in the next few games