ENIC...

[wrd]

In terms of those who invest in google and what not. I could be wrong as I'm not knowledgeable on this sort of thing but aren't these companies publicly traded meaning anybody can invest in them? So holding companies to that level of accountability doesn't work because it's similar to not being able to control what sort of person buys a ticket to your games or your merchandise.

As I say I'm happy to be better educated on the subject but I do think, who actually has control over the entity is the tipping point for me.

 

[glacierSpurs]

This reeks of a leak from the club. "Look, you want more investment, or will you rather stay away from the dirty money and let us continue our frugal ways..."

You sound like ENIC are doing us a favour. ENIC will sell the club to the highest bidder or their stakes to the best price forward regardless. If they even bothered to leak out such thing so the fans adore them better, there would have never be any levyout movement in the first place.

 

[wrd]

Also I heard all the "when it actually happens you'll participate and do exactly what I plan on doing" talk when the world cup was rolling around and I think a fair few people chose to not watch the world cup so clearly people do have the capability to walk away if it doesn't align with their values.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

I’d rather we carry on winning nothing than win it the way Chelsea and City have

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

Have always been against this but it gets to a point where it’s going to need oil (or oil like) money to remove Levy. And I’m all for the latter happening now.

I may have misread, or misunderstood, but it doesn’t sound like Levy or ENIC would be going anywhere were it to happen.

 

[wspur]

If this is a minority share purchase then not sure how it benefits the playing side. The money would go striaght to Enic in return for shares wouldn’t it?

Depends on the structure, might issue new shares and dilute the investors.

 

[NayimFTHL]

He's done a lot worse than tax evasion, still better than slavery and murders but he's a scumbag for sure.

Tottenham Hotspur Owner Takes Over Ancestral Land in Argentina – Byline Times

Carole Concha Bell reports on how a British businessman and football club owner has sparked a conflict between an indigenous community and Argentina's security forces

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Don't worry. This has been posted before and ignored by the hypocrites. The same will happen again.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Also I heard all the "when it actually happens you'll participate and do exactly what I plan on doing" talk when the world cup was rolling around and I think a fair few people chose to not watch the world cup so clearly people do have the capability to walk away if it doesn't align with their values.

They have the ability to walk away only if they aren't telling fibs and are really sitting in the bog watching in secret while they curl one out

And it's a lot easier to boycott three or four weeks of football than it is to give up a life long obsession. I hope we never have to find out.

 

[wrd]

They have the ability to walk away only if they aren't telling fibs and are really sitting in the bog watching in secret while they curl one out

And it's a lot easier to boycott three or four weeks of football than it is to give up a life long obsession. I hope we never have to find out.

Unfortunately for football, that three to four weeks was absolute bliss and gave a taste of freedom

 

[ShriekinKnight]

This reeks of a leak from the club. "Look, you want more investment, or will you rather stay away from the dirty money and let us continue our frugal ways..."

Lol then they will be surprised when like 70% of the fan base are happy to take the dirty money

 

[kieranfitchett]

you've got to hold your nose to support any club at the top level, i wouldnt be in support of qatari ownership at spurs but it wouldnt push me away either. it's already morally broken at the top level regardless

 

[wrd]

Don't worry. This has been posted before and ignored by the hypocrites. The same will happen again.

I'm not sure that Joe Lewis fits the same as an Abramovich type. The issue at hand is using the club to sport wash a reputation by being popular with the fanbase. Joe Lewis and ENIC in my opinion have never had that intention and if they did, they've failed spectacularly as to my mind they've only ever be seen as unpopular the majority the time and at the best of times; tolerated. It feels like an apple and oranges situation and is more akin to a less repugnant version of the Glazers.

 

[Kalim]

Let's hope Levy has learned since turning away Roman A.

What's to learn? How much has his wealth increased by holding on?

 

[SheffieldAndy]

In terms of those who invest in google and what not. I could be wrong as I'm not knowledgeable on this sort of thing but aren't these days companies publicly traded meaning anybody can invest in them? So holding companies to that level of accountability doesn't work because it's similar to not being able to control what sort of person buys a ticket to your games or your merchandise.

You are definitely right to a large point mate. It’s a mix really, many are purely stock purchases sought by the respective countries or funds, some are investments that were actively sought by the businesses.

 

[HodisGawd]

you've got to hold your nose to support any club at the top level, i wouldnt be in support of qatari ownership at spurs but it wouldnt push me away either. it's already morally broken at the top level regardless

It's already morally broken, but by that logic so is everything. But supporting a team that is being used to cover up atrocities, like Newcastle right now, is way, way too far. That's not Tottenham.

If that happens, I'll go and temporarily support Dulwich Hamlet until new owners come in.

 

[the lad]

Doubt very much anything will come of this tbh

If this is anything more than a PR exercise by Dan fear not not because it will never happen, Levy will try to be too clever by half with his demands as per. and piss them off to somewhere else.

 

[jimbo]

You are definitely right to a large point mate. It’s a mix really, many are purely stock purchases sought by the respective countries or funds, some are investments that were actively sought by the businesses.

Isn’t the point that we don’t have a say in who invests in Google, Amazon or Spurs - the only choice is to boycott products that have that investment. So that, if you would boycott Spurs over dirty money you ought to boycott those other companies as well?

Us BSoDL have long held that it’s better the devil you know (except with players/managers) but if the devil we know is willing to take dirty money then I think he’d go down in my estimation.

Only ENIC/Levy have any say in this, I won’t stop supporting Spurs, because I can’t. But I might hope for change.

 

[NayimFTHL]

I'm not sure that Joe Lewis fits the same as an Abramovich type. The issue at hand is using the club to sport wash a reputation by being popular with the fanbase. Joe Lewis and ENIC in my opinion have never had that intention and if they did, they've failed spectacularly as to my mind they've only ever be seen as unpopular the majority the time and at the best of times; tolerated. It feels like an apple and oranges situation and is more akin to a less repugnant version of the Glazers.

To me the only difference is Roman actually put lots of his own money into the club to strengthen the 1st team. They are both repugnant but I'd rather have someone like roman pumping money in than a parasite like lewis

 

[kieranfitchett]

It's already morally broken, but by that logic so is everything. But supporting a team that is being used to cover up atrocities, like Newcastle right now, is way, way too far. That's not Tottenham.

If that happens, I'll go and temporarily support Dulwich Hamlet until new owners come in.

absolutely fair enough, and it would be incredibly tricky for me to justify, but at the same time tottenham is an enormous part of my life (as im sure it is for pretty much everyone on here) so a very difficult thing to give up on moral grounds when it's already owned by someone pretty shady, and i use brands and companies every day that are just as bad... let's just hope it doesnt happen eh

 

[Zaphod]

A hypothetical question for those with a better grasp of finances than me;

I believe they can only be a minority stakeholder due to owning PSG. PSG are the biggest fish in the pond and are pretty much guaranteed CL revenues, however the French league isn’t as financially succesful as the Premier League.

Would they be better off owning Spurs and lowering their stake in PSG due to the larger pots of cash in the PL even though they wouldn’t be as successful due the greater competition?