Everlasting Seconds
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You mean they had to agree to the details before he signed? Maybe Levy should try THAT for once.
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dontcallme
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Stories at the time had us signing Sissoko for £30m on £80k a week and Liverpool signed Mane for £34m on £80k a week.
As Sissoko is 3 years older and less sell on value the financial argument as the reason for us not getting Mane doesn't hold up.
At the time of pool signing him we were in a better position.
Levy dragged that out, I'm not saying we should have just given them 40/50m they wanted, but lowballing as much as he did gave the opportunity for things to change. I heard a few days ago that Grealish was literally mintues from signing, from someone that spoke to Grealish about the transfer.
You can hardly blame them for being cautious in 18/19. They obviously were close on Grealish. But levy obviously knew the stadium was gonna be delayed and he probably had no idea for how long. It’s exactly the same uncertainty anyone feels when moving home and knowing they will have to spend a fortune doing it out. If your stretched and uncertain you don’t gonna go out and buy a flashy car. Seriously think they need to be excused for 18/19.
dontcallme
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This is the problem with trying to discount the manager, chairman etc on individual deals. You don't know the details. There is nothing to suggest we didn't get Mane because we dragged things out. It is pure conjecture. The fact we paid the same money for another target at the same time suggests finances weren't the only issue.
As fans we need to stop pretending to know things that we can't possibly know.
Shadydan
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The rise of Sadio Mane, Tottenham's one that got away
Pochettino got as far as taking the Senegalese around the club's Enfield training ground in 2016 before he ultimately chose Anfield. This weekend he'll face them in the Champions League final
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Says here Liverpool offered £130k a week, at the time our highest earner was Kane I believe on £100k a week.
I was talking about the Grealish transfer being dragged out.
My memory is pretty shit, regarding Mane i thought we were in pole position and then liverpool upped the ante and we walked away, only spend 30m on Sissoko
yido_number1
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As an isolated case you could agree with that. Factor in the other players we know we missed out on due to fucking about and you start to build a bigger picture.
dontcallme
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The Grealish transfer did get dragged out. Lots of conflicting stories about high salaries and all sorts. Again we can't fully blame Levy for this one.
dontcallme
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The bigger picture is our turnover and salary. Levy has helped us build a top 4 squad within budget. Liverpool have done the same but have consistently had over £100m turnover more than us.
Is it not fair to say that when playing with less money brinkmanship might become more important?
coy-spurs1882
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iirc it was wijnaldum rejected us then we went for sissoko
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Maybe he was unrealistic moving forwards then.
Have you any info bout Poch wanting Grealish or are you just guessing? In my eyes that would have been more Levysque. Young British for a relatively low fee until it went to shit. I thought we stalled on it because we worked on de Jong (that didn't pay off).
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Liverpool offered him more money, what do you want to do about that?
Shadydan
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It was Mane, Poch made a point of it after the match with them at WHL
Although we did go for Wijnaldum in the same summer.
I don't and if that's the case (wasn't Sissoko more of a Levy signing too?) Then that's even worse and in hindsight Poch should have probably quit that summer. Levy let him down.
Match it.
In 2016 we signed, N'koudou, Sissoko, wanyama and Janssen. I'm sure we could have made the Mane transfer work and had we got him, we probably don't signed Janssen, N'koudou and maybe Sissoko
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Shadydan
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You're speaking as if Levy went behind Poch's back to get Sissoko, Poch was well aware of the deal, he wanted pace he alluded to it after the Liverpool match when he wanted a player to 'break the lines' like Mane, just because it wasn't his first choice doesn't mean he didn't want Sissoko.
Match a wage that went beyond our budget then you end up like Arsenal (Ozil) and Man Utd (Sanchez) with unsettled players because they're not being paid the going rate and those players being difficult to shift because they are sitting comfy on their contract, it's a stupid way to do business.
Was he that good at Southampton? Because I remember him being inconsistent and was he that much better when pool signed him than Grealish is now?
You've kind of made the point, we tried for Mane and Wijnaldum and settled with Sissoko, Poch didn't want to settle in 2018 he wanted his first choice and wanted the club to match his ambitions.
Kane was on 100k at the time so you're looking at an additional 30-40k p/w to get Mane, it wasn't like we would have to pay him 250k. Mane wages would ha e been covered by not signing Janssen, N'koudou and Sissoko
Shadydan
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You don't understand.
If you give players a wage above your structure then it causes a domino affect, all the other players are going to do is knock down Levy's door and asked for more money when it comes to negotiation time, they're not going to be content like a little £20-30k incremental jump they'd want parity if not more especially players like Kane would would ask to be the highest paid player on the team. (and rightly so) That kind of pay structure filters down to the rest of the team, suddenly you'd have up and coming youth players who haven't played a single match demanding another £10k just because they know that the club are willing to pay, it's the knock on effect which is the issue. The other issue I mentioned is that players on a lot of money will sit on their contract and we don't be able to shift then, actually that's happening now so it would be even worse if we had players on more money.
Look at what happened at Utd, Rashford and Pogba got unsettled when Sanchez got his big money contract, at Arsenal Ramsey got unsettled because of what they gave Ozil, despite those examples being extreme the point still stands.
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