ENIC in or out?

[Gb160]

ENIC don't really care about winning trophies but they hire a manager who has won more trophies in his managerial career than the entire history of the club.

Makes sense

I think the Mensa meeting must've knocked off early last night.

 

[Spursmatty87]

I think levy is a genius, plays the media villain perfectly. Pretty much all the managers under him have come out of the job hard done by, punched above there weight, never had it so good loads of would of, should of, could of.
The love in the media gives all these managers is ridiculous.

Every good signing is down to the manager every bad one down to levy the worse thing about it loads of the fans fall for it. He has made mistakes no doubt by it but, what we have right now is unbelievable.

I remember watching the semi final against scum in 2001, and just thinking we are never gonna get near these they were light years ahead of us. Now we moan for not winning a cl final or the motives about why we’ve signed one of the most successful managers in the world. Who cares the fact that we can is unbelievable.

Finally is levy sells which would cost £2-3b do you think someone is gonna front up all that cash? Or the more likely option is that we will be mortgaged up? Probably £60-70m a season. Things aren’t perfect but they not that bad either.

 

[hellava_tough]

They've come into their own in recent seasons and with this current manager it'll be very interesting to see if they can cement themselves as one of the elite clubs in Europe.

 

[yido_number1]

Enic have taken us to the ceiling of what they can achieve. To compound this problem our model of investing what we generate from players sales has taken some major damage from 3 of our biggest assets Toby, Jan and Eriksen running their contracts down and aging. If we want to compete for league and cup honors we need to invest on a par with Liverpool, Chelsea, UTD and City. Enic can't do that.

 

[coys200]

Enic have taken us to the ceiling of what they can achieve. To compound this problem our model of investing what we generate from players sales has taken some major damage from 3 of our biggest assets Toby, Jan and Eriksen running their contracts down and aging. If we want to compete for league and cup honors we need to invest on a par with Liverpool, Chelsea, UTD and City. Enic can't do that.

How do you know this ? You can’t judge our spending on being in a 37k stadium. You can only judge from now. And this season including Lo Celso as a buy they net spent £120m. Which is perfectly acceptable. With FFP even City now can’t net spend much more than £150m. As our first season in stadium I don’t see how much more they could have done.

 

[Dougal]

Enic have taken us to the ceiling of what they can achieve. To compound this problem our model of investing what we generate from players sales has taken some major damage from 3 of our biggest assets Toby, Jan and Eriksen running their contracts down and aging. If we want to compete for league and cup honors we need to invest on a par with Liverpool, Chelsea, UTD and City. Enic can't do that.

If we had sold any of those 3 at the height of their powers then ENIC would have been slaughtered for it.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Slaughtered if you do, slaughtered if you don't.

 

[tooey]

Enic have taken us to the ceiling of what they can achieve. To compound this problem our model of investing what we generate from players sales has taken some major damage from 3 of our biggest assets Toby, Jan and Eriksen running their contracts down and aging. If we want to compete for league and cup honors we need to invest on a par with Liverpool, Chelsea, UTD and City. Enic can't do that.

You do realise they've invested in a stadium that generates income so we don't need to rely on player sales right?

If we want to compete with liverpool, chelsea and United then...wait...we have been.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

You do realise they've invested in a stadium that generates income so we don't need to rely on player sales right?

If we want to compete with liverpool, chelsea and United then...wait...we have been.

We can't just rely on stadium to generate increased revenues. Our commercial activities need to start reflecting that of the elite teams and most importantly the more on pitch success we deliver, the revenues then should increase as a consequence of this. In summary, there are a number of factors other than stadium revenue that is required to move us to the elite level.

Where are we with stadium naming rights?
Why do we not have a sleeve sponsor?

 

[For the love of Spurs]

My penny's worth? Any one who says that ENIC / Levy have no ambition for the club, have never backed Poch, and is using the club as a cash cow and therefore should be replaced, in my book are simpletons with an IQ the size of their respective shoes.

Several things there. Levy has ambition for the club yes, I don’t agree he properly backed Poch though until it was too late.

And calling people simpletons, your better than that.

 

[dontcallme]

Enic have taken us to the ceiling of what they can achieve. To compound this problem our model of investing what we generate from players sales has taken some major damage from 3 of our biggest assets Toby, Jan and Eriksen running their contracts down and aging. If we want to compete for league and cup honors we need to invest on a par with Liverpool, Chelsea, UTD and City. Enic can't do that.

I think the old ENIC model has run its course. Turnover is so high nowadays that transfer funding is not as reliant on sales as it once was.

From the days of Jol the method of buying players like Carrick, Berbatov, Bale etc and selling at a huge profit was very beneficial to the club.

This tactic has become more difficult now. Our players are on higher wages making them harder to sell. We are higher up the pecking order so if the likes of Real and Barca don't come in for our players then our players are less likely to want to leave.

I have no doubt that if we were in the same situation 8 years ago we would easily have found buyers for Rose, Alderweireld and Eriksen.

But I don't think ENIC have necessarily hit their ceiling. The stadium is built and our turnover is considerably higher now than it was 3 years ago. If ENIC are going to act as an investment company they can continue to put a % of our turnover into the first team squad.

If they get the transfer setup right and Mourinho performs then I see no reason why we can't compete.

The fact that we bought Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessegnon without any sales shows they are going to give us money to spend.

 

[dontcallme]

We can't just rely on stadium to generate increased revenues. Our commercial activities need to start reflecting that of the elite teams and most importantly the more on pitch success we deliver, the revenues then should increase as a consequence of this. In summary, there are a number of factors other than stadium revenue that is required to move us to the elite level.

Where are we with stadium naming rights?
Why do we not have a sleeve sponsor?

It's interesting but I believe that even the fans most opposed to Levy will trust him to get the maximum money out of the stadium naming rights and sponsorship.

 

[dontcallme]

Slaughtered if you do, slaughtered if you don't.

You've been to my slaughterhouse?

 

[coys200]

We can't just rely on stadium to generate increased revenues. Our commercial activities need to start reflecting that of the elite teams and most importantly the more on pitch success we deliver, the revenues then should increase as a consequence of this. In summary, there are a number of factors other than stadium revenue that is required to move us to the elite level.

Where are we with stadium naming rights?
Why do we not have a sleeve sponsor?

But we’ve built a multi purpose stadium which nobody else has that’s a huge advantage and literally covers any CL shortfall should we not qualify. In 2019 we’ve opened the best stadium in Europe, got to a CL final, held first NFL game and employed the highest profile manager in world football. Added to having the England captain and highest profile Asian player ever. Bar winning PL or signing Ronaldo it’s hard to see what more commercially we could have done to raise profile.

 

[LeParisien]

Have ENIC taken a penny out of our club? Genuinely curious..

 

[spids]

Enic have taken us to the ceiling of what they can achieve. To compound this problem our model of investing what we generate from players sales has taken some major damage from 3 of our biggest assets Toby, Jan and Eriksen running their contracts down and aging. If we want to compete for league and cup honors we need to invest on a par with Liverpool, Chelsea, UTD and City. Enic can't do that.

There are only two ways to invest in players to compete at the top table regularly:

A) Hope a Billionaire finds a way to bypass FFP and is willing to throw half a billion pounds at players (proper businessmen do not do this and the ones that do turn out to be despots, dictators or major villains laundering money or whitewashing a dictatorship). Some clubs do get 'legit' businessmen investors - like the Glazers - but they tend to want to make money instead of burning it and end up taking money out of the club instead).
B) Generate regular significant income through a combination of match day revenue, events, sponsorship deals and regular CL football.

I think we need to sit back and wait for the financial results to start rolling in now we are in the new stadium.

 

[spids]

Have ENIC taken a penny out of our club? Genuinely curious..

Answer is no if you exclude salaries. But their initial investment of £10's of million is now worth hundreds if not thousands of millions. Long game for them.

 

[Shadydan]

In recent times Levy has managed to turn Mullers and @Archibald&Crooks into BSODL merchants, in fact the support for Levy was so bad Muller had to leave the site.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

In recent times Levy has managed to turn Mullers and @Archibald&Crooks into BSODL merchants, in fact the support for Levy was so bad Muller had to leave the site.

I think the old goat will always have his gripes with Levy, but @Archibald&Crooks has always admitted where Levy has got it right and I think he recognises that Mourinho’s appointment has come from a place of ambition.

 

[Dillspur]

How do you know this ? You can’t judge our spending on being in a 37k stadium. You can only judge from now. And this season including Lo Celso as a buy they net spent £120m. Which is perfectly acceptable. With FFP even City now can’t net spend much more than £150m. As our first season in stadium I don’t see how much more they could have done.

Nothing wrong with this summers business. It's the previous summer that was the beginning of the end for Poch and Levy is to blame for not being brave and going for and getting players that Poch deemed good enough.