fortworthspur
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as an outsider, it seems the FA really screwed the pooch on this one. I dont see why Spurs should be made to suffer.
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I go home and away with England ( if job permits ) and get to spurs as often as I can.
I don't understand English football fans who hate the national side.
When it comes to international football I hear of and read many who insist they don't care how the national team does but they all have one thing in common...should England ever reach a semi final or let's say a world cup final again, all these people to a man, would dust off the old 3 lions shirt sit down at home ( in a pub etc ) to watch the game and 'cheer the boys on'. That is almost a nailed in certainty.
The equivalent would be refusing to watch Tottenham because they are going nowhere and struggling, languishing in mid table, playing poorly etc yet when FA cup final day comes round and spurs happen to be in it, dusting off the lillywhite shirt in the cupboard and supporting again.
Flakey to say the least. There are millions of potential international football glory hunters out there. When football fans say they hate their national team I tend to hear 'I hate my national team because they aren't very good'
I don't understand English football fans who hate the national side.
When it comes to international football I hear of and read many who insist they don't care how the national team does but they all have one thing in common...should England ever reach a semi final or let's say a world cup final again, all these people to a man, would dust off the old 3 lions shirt sit down at home ( in a pub etc ) to watch the game and 'cheer the boys on'. That is almost a nailed in certainty.
The equivalent would be refusing to watch Tottenham because they are going nowhere and struggling, languishing in mid table, playing poorly etc yet when FA cup final day comes round and spurs happen to be in it, dusting off the lillywhite shirt in the cupboard and supporting again.
Flakey to say the least. There are millions of potential international football glory hunters out there. When football fans say they hate their national team I tend to hear 'I hate my national team because they aren't very good'
gavspur
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When I was a kid, the England team and games meant so much ( England did smaller kits than clubs, and we're on tv more than spurs back then) to me, now with the massive exposure of champions league and the prem, plus the fact that Terry, Cole, Rooney (to an extent) are just despicable people, and the sheer lack of interest by a lot of the squad, probably brought about by having foreign managers, means my love for England has diminished significantly.
I can see why Harry is the top choice, cos he's a good manager who's English and the players look up to him. It seems the perfect fit, but he has done such a good thing here, that I wanna be selfish and say 'hands off'.
Plus, he could end up losing all the respect he's earnt at spurs, simply by playing terry, lampard, cole, Rooney etc.
I can see why Harry is the top choice, cos he's a good manager who's English and the players look up to him. It seems the perfect fit, but he has done such a good thing here, that I wanna be selfish and say 'hands off'.
Plus, he could end up losing all the respect he's earnt at spurs, simply by playing terry, lampard, cole, Rooney etc.
$hoguN
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Right this may be controversial but I don't give a flying fuck about our national football team.
My financial and emotional involvement are to THFC not England
I believe that England are a chance for fans of clubs like Crewe and Hereford etc to see some better football but they do not compare to what we currently see week in week out.
I don't like having to support Wallcott, Terry, Gerard and the like.
I hope we keep Redknapp as we are a better team.
I am patriotic but THFC will always be first for me.
I await to be shot down
Agree with the bits in bold
WestBelfast Spurs
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Thank Fuck its not only me then
mattyspurs
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I agree with MattyP and Sugar Ray on this one. Why as Spurs Fans can we not support both? I love Spurs, boy do I llove Spurs, I have been watching them since '81, it's in my familes blood, and will continue to be in my sons blood.I watched them the dross of the '90s and feel like I am now getting my reward for putting up with that. There are two to three reasons why are doing so well, Daniel Levy, a fantastic chairman, Martin Jol for putting us back on the football map, and Harry Redknapp for taking us that step forward.
I am english, I love my country and I love football, put those bits togther and I am a proud England football fan. I support, I take the highs and the lows, I don't like some of the players playing for my country, but I manage to put hatred aside, because I want my country to achieve things. This doesn't stop my love for Spurs and it never will.
This therein lies the problem. I know the best man for the England job is currently our manager, as an England fan I want the best man for the job, but I also want the best man for the Job at Spurs and I feel that we have him already. The only thing I never liked about Harry was his baggage, that baggae got removed yesterday, and now this happens.
Grrrr, life sucks sometimes.
I am english, I love my country and I love football, put those bits togther and I am a proud England football fan. I support, I take the highs and the lows, I don't like some of the players playing for my country, but I manage to put hatred aside, because I want my country to achieve things. This doesn't stop my love for Spurs and it never will.
This therein lies the problem. I know the best man for the England job is currently our manager, as an England fan I want the best man for the job, but I also want the best man for the Job at Spurs and I feel that we have him already. The only thing I never liked about Harry was his baggage, that baggae got removed yesterday, and now this happens.
Grrrr, life sucks sometimes.
I agree totally,its Spurs first,second and third and England nowhere...although I do enjoy watching the WC,EC etc and have been to both of these in the past.
What really aggravates me is the total disregard for Tottenham Hotspur FC by all and sundry in the media and country in general,it's as though we are just some sort of ripe field to be harvested for the benefit of everyone else,leaving nothing but bare earth and stubble behind,for us to have to build up again on our own.
What really aggravates me is the total disregard for Tottenham Hotspur FC by all and sundry in the media and country in general,it's as though we are just some sort of ripe field to be harvested for the benefit of everyone else,leaving nothing but bare earth and stubble behind,for us to have to build up again on our own.
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Club before country is a given but even without my deep-rooted fandom of Spurs I'm not sure I'd care about the England team. International football simply isn't the pinnacle of the game anymore, international friendlies are a complete waste of time and although some of them talk a good game, most of the players don't really give a shit about international football.
I actually think that when I watched Germany stuff England in the World Cup (I was at Glastonbury at the time) I was one of very few who wasn't really disappointed. In fact I was quite pleased because it had been a good game and the significantly superior team had won.
If it's because of the England team that our season stutters then that may be the straw that breaks the three lions back for me.
I actually think that when I watched Germany stuff England in the World Cup (I was at Glastonbury at the time) I was one of very few who wasn't really disappointed. In fact I was quite pleased because it had been a good game and the significantly superior team had won.
If it's because of the England team that our season stutters then that may be the straw that breaks the three lions back for me.
gilzeantheking
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I really get fed up with all the media hype that surrounds England. England are going to win the World Cup/Euros etc. Most football fans in this country are fairly knowledgeable and realise that they're not good enough.
I do enjoy watching International football but I can't conjure up that blind optimism for England that I feel when watching Spurs. I am old enough to remember the 1966 World Cup final and the celebrations that ensued after. I can't see those scenes happening again in my lifetime.
I do enjoy watching International football but I can't conjure up that blind optimism for England that I feel when watching Spurs. I am old enough to remember the 1966 World Cup final and the celebrations that ensued after. I can't see those scenes happening again in my lifetime.
Donki
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A lot of people agreeing here but no real explanation why. I'm not English but do follow Norn Iron even thou we are absolutely shit, our stadium is a joke, non of the young wants to play for us I still care.
Is it the stinking media abuse England gets, is it the FA, is it all the foriegn managers (I'm clearly racist), is it the fact they have constantly under performed? Or a combination? Just intrested to know.
Also if Harry did go and started picking a fresher team would you intrest rekindle?
Is it the stinking media abuse England gets, is it the FA, is it all the foriegn managers (I'm clearly racist), is it the fact they have constantly under performed? Or a combination? Just intrested to know.
Also if Harry did go and started picking a fresher team would you intrest rekindle?
Azazello
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It's a lot of different things. People here are self-selecting and so you won't necessarily get a representative view - England games sell well and are well-supported so lots of English people do care.
A couple of thoughts, however;
I think the Premier League effected a kind of takeover of English football when it was formed, and so came to emphasise its own importance over that of the national team (you can see this in the way that the FA Cup has gone from being a vital trophy to just another cup and all that matters is the Top 4 and being part of that plutocracy). English football's just a business, a product to be flogged. I love Spurs but in other ways hate the way our game has been monetised.
A lot of people English don't know the difference between England and Britain and use the terms interchangably, and England kind of gets over-looked in the process. That needs to be addressed especially as devolution has changed so much (no devolution for England though, obviously), and when Scotland goes its own way, England will mature a little and we can start to develop our own sense of nationhood, which might change a few minds. We could start by dropping the UK national anthem as the English rugby and football anthem and use something English instead, like Jerusalem.
DEFchenkOE
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There are literally only a handful of international teams I like watching these days and England ain't one of them.
I see international footy as a chance to watch the likes of Iniesta/Xavi come up against Messi/Aguero in which I can enjoy football from a neutral's perspective.
I can't stand Sepp Blatter anyway and the way he runs the international game and don't have no time for England and the FA who have wasted so much money on hiring foreign managers which to me defeats the whole purpose of country v country anyway.
I see international footy as a chance to watch the likes of Iniesta/Xavi come up against Messi/Aguero in which I can enjoy football from a neutral's perspective.
I can't stand Sepp Blatter anyway and the way he runs the international game and don't have no time for England and the FA who have wasted so much money on hiring foreign managers which to me defeats the whole purpose of country v country anyway.
Marty
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Yes, yes, no, yes, and two more things. The "Golden Generation" includes several people I actually despise, and international football is no longer the pinnacle of the game. Watching an England game isn't a big deal any more, as we can watch football literally every day if we want to, and with the massive amounts of money spent the big leagues have aquired so many top players from all over the world that the level of play is consistently higher in the PL and La Liga than in international football.
Having said that, I'm sure I'll get a lot more excited about England once Terry, Cashley etc. are gone, but if they're replaced by people like Wilshere and Morrison that may not be the case.
brendanb50
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I completely agree with the majority view here. I've felt this way about watching England for some time.
The way we play, the players who are selected, the press hype - just a few things i genuinely hate about the England football team. I think any optimism built up before a major tournament is entirely based on what the press stick in the paper, then the multiple idiots who then look at the colourful pictures before putting some of their money on us to win something. Odd's slashed, England favourites, optimism reigns supreme.
What's astonishing is that as a national side, we've not gone anywhere for the past 10-15 years. We've continued to select the same players who've done nothing for us. Continue to lack options or a plan B and we continue to fail in blooding young talent at international level. These are all issues at a managerial/FA level.
Then you have the players. I think any top quality international side has not only a good squad but a strong squad mentality. Looking over an England line up is like browsing the who's who of ****s. How do you go about developing a level of team strength and unity when you have award winning bastards in your team like Terry who was your skipper and Rooney who's meant to be the star man.
I know it's not football related but some of the player's private lives give a good indication of what they're like as people. I for one can't support a twat like JT let alone expect to see a squad of players unite around him.
Rant over.
The way we play, the players who are selected, the press hype - just a few things i genuinely hate about the England football team. I think any optimism built up before a major tournament is entirely based on what the press stick in the paper, then the multiple idiots who then look at the colourful pictures before putting some of their money on us to win something. Odd's slashed, England favourites, optimism reigns supreme.
What's astonishing is that as a national side, we've not gone anywhere for the past 10-15 years. We've continued to select the same players who've done nothing for us. Continue to lack options or a plan B and we continue to fail in blooding young talent at international level. These are all issues at a managerial/FA level.
Then you have the players. I think any top quality international side has not only a good squad but a strong squad mentality. Looking over an England line up is like browsing the who's who of ****s. How do you go about developing a level of team strength and unity when you have award winning bastards in your team like Terry who was your skipper and Rooney who's meant to be the star man.
I know it's not football related but some of the player's private lives give a good indication of what they're like as people. I for one can't support a twat like JT let alone expect to see a squad of players unite around him.
Rant over.
Donki
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Intresting views, I remember watching the Euros when they were in England. Gazza, Sheringham, Shearer etc and I loved watching them. I also remember, not so well, when Liniker playIng and they definitely seemed to be more support for the national team. I really do think it's a shame but I understand as the likes of Terry, Cashley and even Rooney do really put me off them.
