Emmanuel Adebayor

[sim0n]

Ade is a quality forward. He was carrying injuries last season and lack of game time did not help. But he is an emotional player and he needs to feel loved. Hard man to handle for AVB but if he can get the best out of him you could see a new Ade.

I think the club will keep Ade and Defoe and bring in Villa unless they tie up a big target like Benteke or Soldado.

I must say, if reports of up to 10 mil for Ade to go to Turkey, then 20 mil for Benteke looks fine to me

TBH I have only seen Soldado play a few times and he did not look impressive, but AVB should be allowed to go after the players he wants - thinking DL supports him and Baldini is on the same page with them

 

[RJ1882]

To sell Ade and keep Defoe is tragic.

BAsed on what? Player potential? At the top of their game, Adebayor is a superior player. I think most would agree on that.
On form, Adebayor would be a great player to have in our squad. But dont let 3 or 4 games at the end of last season fool you. Adebayor was next to hopeless last season when he played. Early season he could be forgiven due to having no preseason, an injury, and that manic tackle at Arsenal seeing him suspended. But even taking all that into consideration, he was still awful.
Showed what he can do in one or two games. BUt knowing what he is like, if he isnt starting games regularly for us, he'll have nothing to offer. He'll become disinterested, disruptive and have a negative effect on the team. I;d much prefer to see Defoe coming off the bench for the last 20 minutes if we are chasing a game than have Adebayor come on and saunter about.

He has ability yes, but for me his attitude is a hugh risk and his wages are massive for our club to have sitting on the bench.

 

[$hoguN]

BAsed on what? Player potential? At the top of their game, Adebayor is a superior player. I think most would agree on that.
On form, Adebayor would be a great player to have in our squad. But dont let 3 or 4 games at the end of last season fool you. Adebayor was next to hopeless last season when he played. Early season he could be forgiven due to having no preseason, an injury, and that manic tackle at Arsenal seeing him suspended. But even taking all that into consideration, he was still awful.
Showed what he can do in one or two games. BUt knowing what he is like, if he isnt starting games regularly for us, he'll have nothing to offer. He'll become disinterested, disruptive and have a negative effect on the team. I;d much prefer to see Defoe coming off the bench for the last 20 minutes if we are chasing a game than have Adebayor come on and saunter about.

He has ability yes, but for me his attitude is a hugh risk and his wages are massive for our club to have sitting on the bench.

Ade has played for us for two seasons, in his first he got 17 goals, nearly as many assists and was everything we needed. Last season, he was unfit, had no preseason and went off to ACN, yet still offered more to the team than Defoe. Defoe doesn't want to come off the bench, he wants to start and when he does he offers us the square root of fu*k all. Ade for all his faults (and there are a lot of them) he makes the team play better. He can hold the ball up, moves around creating space for other players to exploit and when he is on form and fit also scores goals and gets assists.

The last 4 games of last season are not fooling anyone, over the course of two seasons Ade has been good for us far more than he has been bad. On the other hand, Defoe, with the exception of his yearly purple patch, has been as effective as a chocolate teapot when starting. When all were fit last season, and even when they weren't, AVB was choosing Ade over Defoe, so if he his given the choice who to keep it is likely to be Ade, as it should be.

 

[nedley]

He hasn't helped himself.

He was verging on pathetic at times last season.

Shame as on his day he is class.

 

[RJ1882]

Ade has played for us for two seasons, in his first he got 17 goals, nearly as many assists and was everything we needed. Last season, he was unfit, had no preseason and went off to ACN, yet still offered more to the team than Defoe. Defoe doesn't want to come off the bench, he wants to start and when he does he offers us the square root of fu*k all. Ade for all his faults (and there are a lot of them) he makes the team play better. He can hold the ball up, moves around creating space for other players to exploit and when he is on form and fit also scores goals and gets assists.

The last 4 games of last season are not fooling anyone, over the course of two seasons Ade has been good for us far more than he has been bad. On the other hand, Defoe, with the exception of his yearly purple patch, has been as effective as a chocolate teapot when starting. When all were fit last season, and even when they weren't, AVB was choosing Ade over Defoe, so if he his given the choice who to keep it is likely to be Ade, as it should be.

17 goals is an average return. Its not great. He went long spells not scoring. He misses glorious chances regularly. Its his drifting about the field which I dont think we need. He looks goo dropping out wide, controlling the ball and laying it off, but thats not what we need from him. We needed a CF, someone to play the box, bring players into the game in dangerous positions rather than 40 yards from goal. And we needed someone to attack balls we put into the box. More often than not Adebayor was lurking aroun outside the box rather than in it.

On form he is a top player, but for me a risk to keep this season and someone who can be improved upon.

 

[$hoguN]

17 goals is an average return. Its not great. He went long spells not scoring. He misses glorious chances regularly. Its his drifting about the field which I dont think we need. He looks goo dropping out wide, controlling the ball and laying it off, but thats not what we need from him. We needed a CF, someone to play the box, bring players into the game in dangerous positions rather than 40 yards from goal. And we needed someone to attack balls we put into the box. More often than not Adebayor was lurking aroun outside the box rather than in it.

On form he is a top player, but for me a risk to keep this season and someone who can be improved upon.

If we can move him on and get a better replacement then great. I'm all for it. I haven't said he doesn't have faults, as he clearly does, but that does't mean keeping Defoe would be a better option as you previously stated.

Also 17 goals is not an "average return", if it was, finding a 20+ goal a season player would be easy and clearly it is not.

 

[RJ1882]

If we can move him on and get a better replacement then great. I'm all for it. I haven't said he doesn't have faults, as he clearly does, but that does't mean keeping Defoe would be a better option as you previously stated.

Also 17 goals is not an "average return", if it was, finding a 20+ goal a season player would be easy and clearly it is not.

He scored in 12 league games that season.
he scored 18 in total, Defoe scored 17.

 

[alex3]

good article one why we should keep ade and not defoe

http://thinkfootball.co.uk/archives/10716

 

[Snarfalicious]

For me, a rough list:

Reasons to keep Adebayor:
- When he's playing to his ability, there's not many strikers that are better
- Better hold up play as a central striker.
- Better in a fluid attacking front
- Brings creativity/assists to the striker position
- Has the ability to win valuable headers
- Would form as a good alternative to Villa
- Offers versatility in how we could line up against more physically imposing/taller sides

Reason to sell Adebayor:
- Big contract for potentially a backup
- Question marks over if he can function as a backup
- Very spotty play in 2012/13 (Understatement, I know - But then again, this can be said about both of our strikers)
- The derp factor (Arsenal red card, Lost in Africa[n Cup of Nations])
- Lack of confidence = really shy to shoot

Feel free to add what you think...

 

[Mr Pink]

He scored in 12 league games that season.
he scored 18 in total, Defoe scored 17.

No, he scored 17 league goals in his first season.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

For me, a rough list:

Reasons to keep Adebayor:
- When he's playing to his ability, there's not many strikers that are better
- Better hold up play as a central striker.
- Better in a fluid attacking front
- Brings creativity/assists to the striker position
- Has the ability to win valuable headers
- Would form as a good alternative to Villa
- Offers versatility in how we could line up against more physically imposing/taller sides

Reason to sell Adebayor:
- Big contract for potentially a backup
- Question marks over if he can function as a backup
- Very spotty play in 2012/13 (Understatement, I know - But then again, this can be said about both of our strikers)
- The derp factor (Arsenal red card, Lost in Africa[n Cup of Nations])
- Lack of confidence = really shy to shoot
- ALWAYS got a fucking stupid assed fucking stupid fucking grin on his fucking face when he's fucking made the most fucking monumentalest of fuck-ups
Feel free to add what you think...

Fixed

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I would rather keep Ade than Defoe.

If we are going to sell Ade then we might as well get rid of Defoe as well. Defoe is even more frustrating than usual when he is bench warmer as he feels like he has to come on and shift and shoot at every opportunity to the detriment of the team.

 

[Snarfalicious]

I would rather keep Ade than Defoe.

If we are going to sell Ade then we might as well get rid of Defoe as well. Defoe is even more frustrating than usual when he is bench warmer as he feels like he has to come on and shift and shoot at every opportunity to the detriment of the team.

Totally agree. Preferably we'd take the funds from Defoe and locate a younger striker target to mold. A Rodrigo-type would be great given he would have the ability to play as a wide-forward. Playing as a central striker is incredibly taxing, so finding a young player that can function on the wings until the speed/physicality of the play is really understood would be great for their development.

I just don't know what we could expect in return for Defoe. He's a limited striker but when he's in-form he's a very gifted goal scorer. Despite that, at 31 and him expecting to be the guy, I'm not sure what we should expect.

I think Hull City plays a two-striker formation. Maybe they would be interested in Defoe as the goal-getting smaller forward? I honestly am not sure.

 

[$hoguN]

For me, a rough list:

Reasons to keep Adebayor:
- When he's playing to his ability, there's not many strikers that are better
- Better hold up play as a central striker.
- Better in a fluid attacking front
- Brings creativity/assists to the striker position
- Has the ability to win valuable headers
- Would form as a good alternative to Villa
- Offers versatility in how we could line up against more physically imposing/taller sides

Reason to sell Adebayor:
- Big contract for potentially a backup
- Question marks over if he can function as a backup
- Very spotty play in 2012/13 (Understatement, I know - But then again, this can be said about both of our strikers)
- The derp factor (Arsenal red card, Lost in Africa[n Cup of Nations])
- Lack of confidence = really shy to shoot

Feel free to add what you think...

There can't be any argument with those points tbh.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Totally agree. Preferably we'd take the funds from Defoe and locate a younger striker target to mold. A Rodrigo-type would be great given he would have the ability to play as a wide-forward. Playing as a central striker is incredibly taxing, so finding a young player that can function on the wings until the speed/physicality of the play is really understood would be great for their development.

I just don't know what we could expect in return for Defoe. He's a limited striker but when he's in-form he's a very gifted goal scorer. Despite that, at 31 and him expecting to be the guy, I'm not sure what we should expect.

I think Hull City plays a two-striker formation. Maybe they would be interested in Defoe as the goal-getting smaller forward? I honestly am not sure.

I think quite a few teams would take Defoe. Mainly teams in the bottom half of the league like Sunderland, Hull, Stoke etc.. but he will guarantee around 12-15 goals a season and that's gold for a team battling relegation.

Playing for these teams would probably suit his game more as the opposition won't park the bus so he will have more space to shift and shoot. At spurs he is never going to be first choice as we need a striker who is willing to be involved in team play so we can carve out quality chances against the bus-parkers. Rather than someone who just blasts the ball into the defenders legs when there are better options on.

 

[Snarfalicious]

I think quite a few teams would take Defoe. Mainly teams in the bottom half of the league like Sunderland, Hull, Stoke etc.. but he will guarantee around 12-15 goals a season and that's gold for a team battling relegation.

Playing for these teams would probably suit his game more as the opposition won't park the bus so he will have more space to shift and shoot. At spurs he is never going to be first choice as we need a striker who is willing to be involved in team play so we can carve out quality chances against the bus-parkers. Rather than someone who just blasts the ball into the defenders legs when there are better options on.

Very solid points. It sounds like Sunderland may be chasing Jozy Altidore (a player I'm intrigued to see how he does now that his game is finally rounding into form). Stoke could make some sense. They desperately need a striker in my opinion. Jones and Crouch appear to be up for grabs.

 

[norsk2]

I think quite a few teams would take Defoe. Mainly teams in the bottom half of the league like Sunderland, Hull, Stoke etc.. but he will guarantee around 12-15 goals a season and that's gold for a team battling relegation.

Playing for these teams would probably suit his game more as the opposition won't park the bus so he will have more space to shift and shoot. At spurs he is never going to be first choice as we need a striker who is willing to be involved in team play so we can carve out quality chances against the bus-parkers. Rather than someone who just blasts the ball into the defenders legs when there are better options on.

I agree. I think that Defoe is more suited to a more defensive (read: worse) team, where he will get space on the counter. I remember when he signed for Pompey and scored constantly. Whereas Spurs almost always dominate possession and struggle to break defenses down. I like Defoe, I just don't think that he will ever be effective in a really good team, just like Darren Bent scored for fun before joining us and being completely useless (not saying that Defoe is useless!).

 

[chrissivad]

It depends on who we are bringing in

If we are bringing in another striker who will be starting then I can see us moving Ade on.
I dont think i can remember him staying at a club where he has sat on the bench. Can only see he has had a hand full of sub appearances each season.

 

[JerryGarcia]

No, he scored 17 league goals in his first season.

Think he had something like 11 assists too which makes his overall total that season way above average.

I'd like to keep Ade if we can, a lot of people who mention last seasons goal tally leave out the fact that he missed a load of games and when he came back he wasn't fully fit. Not that I'm excusing him missing the net from 3 yards out but I doubt he'll ever have a season as bad as last years.

 

[RJ1882]

No, he scored 17 league goals in his first season.

scored in 12 league games. 5 games he scored two.