Emmanuel Adebayor

[Mr Pink]

scored in 12 league games. 5 games he scored two.

So what? 17 is better than average no matter what way you spin it. Its a moot point anyway because his overall game was excellent that season coupled with a very healthy return goal wise.

 

[chrissivad]

So what? 17 is better than average no matter what way you spin it. Its a moot point anyway because his overall game was excellent that season coupled with a very healthy return goal wise.

It wasn't just better than average, it was an amazing season and his best return on goals and assist (total) in the league i think.
He scored more for Arsenal on season, but im sure much less assists.

 

[Legacy]

So what? 17 is better than average no matter what way you spin it. Its a moot point anyway because his overall game was excellent that season coupled with a very healthy return goal wise.

And a double figure assist tally, which really should be drummed into some peoples' minds. Adebayor produced as many assists in that one season as Defoe has made in his previous five.

Also, using RJ1882's own specifications, Defoe's highest ever Premier League goal tally is 18. But five of those goals came against Wigan and another three came against, I think Burnley or Hull. So nearly half of his best ever goal return was achieved in two games, meaning he scored ten in the remaining 36.

And this is from a "natural goal scorer" with zero link up play and ability to hold up the ball.

 

[kitchen]

It wasn't just better than average, it was an amazing season and his best return on goals and assist (total) in the league i think.
He scored more for Arsenal on season, but im sure much less assists.

2007/08 he scored 30 goals in 48 appearances for the scum and had 5 assists. That completely blows his best season for us out of the water, even if he did get more assists for us. If he could perform at that level consistently, then he'd be one of the top 5 strikers in the world.

 

[chrissivad]

2007/08 he scored 30 goals in 48 appearances for the scum and had 5 assists. That completely blows his best season for us out of the water, even if he did get more assists for us. If he could perform at that level consistently, then he'd be one of the top 5 strikers in the world.

in 2007/08 he got 24 goals in the league with 3 assists in 32 appearances
For us he got 17 goals and 11 assists in 35 appearances

 

[Lighty64]

there has been plenty of stats about Ade's good season, and picking on him for his bad season, even with the no pre-season, injury no consistent run with disruption with the ANC. the 1 stat that everyone seems to of missed is last season something else that went against him was service.

the season before he had Bale, Lennon, VdV and Modric feeding him. last season he made a lot of un-noticed assist, making room for Bale to shoot, but the service he got was pretty poor.

 

[Lighty64]

what part do you disagree with Chris?

i'd rather keep Ade more than Defoe, and yes perhaps Ade should of got more goals for his 35 attempts, like he got 17 from 86 the season before. Defoe last season got 11 league goals from 103.

neither had a great strike rate.

 

[chrissivad]

I disagree that he made a lot of un-noticed assists.

He is responsible for his own fitness during the closed season, so him turning up unfit is down to him. We already have some youngsters getting back into training so their fitness is improving before pre season even starts.

If the service was against Ade, then it was against everyone, so I dont see why its being brought up. Everyone else had to cope with out VDV and Modric as well.

 

[Lighty64]

I disagree that he made a lot of un-noticed assists.

He is responsible for his own fitness during the closed season, so him turning up unfit is down to him. We already have some youngsters getting back into training so their fitness is improving before pre season even starts.

If the service was against Ade, then it was against everyone, so I dont see why its being brought up. Everyone else had to cope with out VDV and Modric as well.

i agree he should of kepted himself fit during the close season in case he got his move, but for a striker to play 25 full and 7 sub apps and only get 35 chances at goal, obviously he wasn't getting the service from anyone last season compared to the season before 33 apps 1 sub 83 chances and 17 goals and 11 assist.

the big difference this season was Bale being more accurate on goal playing a different role.

the un-noticed assist i put down as making runs, which made space for Bale to get into shooting positions.

 

[arunspurs]

News from Turkey is - Spurs & Besiktas people met to discuss Adebayor transfer and have reached an agreement with player. Besiktas propsed 3m£ but we wanted 5m£ but say Besiktas are very close

http://www.ajansspor.com/futbol/sup...r&utm_medium=gundemhaber&utm_source=gundemust
(translated by Google, of course)
Transfer continues to work Besiktas striker Emmanuel Adebayor has passed the countdown to. Recently met with Togolese goal scorer round Besiktas manager Ahmet Piper presented a proposal for the transfer of GBP 3 million. Fotomaç According to the news manager requirement by £ 5 million transfer to finish and then stepped back very close to the developments in the black and whites. Tottenham's club, meet the expectations and Adebayor scored five in 25 games due to his disability, when you put the list of sales, all eyes turned to Besiktas. Tottenham Soldado and begin negotiations with David Villa, Atletico Madrid, Inter Milan and Besiktas avoid the expected proposals this transfer was emphasizing factors. Want to save money Adebayor England According to media reports, you can always keep the money, and the best offer in the first place due to arrive to Istanbul Besiktas is looking hot. Be explained by the transfer at any time.


Before signing Ade, they want to move their striker Hugo Almeida and Hamburg was interested.
From turkish media, its seems doable but Hamburg local media report now that their interest in Almeida is now going down and may not be interested.

Personal opinion - It looks like Besiktas really want Ade and want to make him their prime target for their new manager Slaven Bilic. But they want to get rid of wages to Almeida first. So, if they can find a club for Almeida, I guess Ade deal is very much possible.

 

[arunspurs]

Another update from Turkey media - Ade wants to start preseason and see what plans AVB has for him. Whichever team he plays next season, he wants to play regularly.....





http://skorer.milliyet.com.tr/adebayor-sure-istedi/besiktas/detay/1733369/default.htm

translated by google
Adebayor has asked for time

Togolese striker was attempting to connect to the colors of Besiktas, wants to go to work with Tottenham declared, "I will be with the team 4-5 days. The coach's thinking about me talk to him. Then get back to you "message sent
Emmanuel Adebayor Tottenham to transfer the financial possibilities of the world-famous star, forcing Besiktas management was put on hold. Togolese player wants to start pre-season with the club due to the work camp braking black - white management, Adebayor'dan future will act according to the answer. Besiktas manager of conveying the offer, "I want to work with the team 4-5 days. Coach of the new season's thinking about me talk to him.According to me, the answer would be back to Besiktas. My only wish is to go to a team that I can play consistently "given the answer appeared.

 

[Spurslove]

Another update from Turkey media - Ade wants to start preseason and see what plans AVB has for him. Whichever team he plays next season, he wants to play regularly.....





http://skorer.milliyet.com.tr/adebayor-sure-istedi/besiktas/detay/1733369/default.htm

translated by google
Adebayor has asked for time

Togolese striker was attempting to connect to the colors of Besiktas, wants to go to work with Tottenham declared, "I will be with the team 4-5 days. The coach's thinking about me talk to him. Then get back to you "message sent
Emmanuel Adebayor Tottenham to transfer the financial possibilities of the world-famous star, forcing Besiktas management was put on hold. Togolese player wants to start pre-season with the club due to the work camp braking black - white management, Adebayor'dan future will act according to the answer. Besiktas manager of conveying the offer, "I want to work with the team 4-5 days. Coach of the new season's thinking about me talk to him.According to me, the answer would be back to Besiktas. My only wish is to go to a team that I can play consistently "given the answer appeared.

Please God let him agree to move on. Not only would we get rid of the useless lump, it would free up our own situation and really kick things on reagrding incoming transfers, and the clock is ticking...

 

[$hoguN]

Please God let him agree to move on. Not only would we get rid of the useless lump, it would free up our own situation and really kick things on reagrding incoming transfers, and the clock is ticking...

If we let Ade go before signing a replacement our transfer committee need to be marched out back and summary executed for mass stupidity as they clearly haven't learned anything from selling Berbatov and Keane prior to signing replacements.

Selling Ade will leave us with just Defoe to start the new season. Just Defoe. Defoe. Anyone remember how effective Defoe is as a lone striker? Just Defoe.

 

[Spurslove]

If we let Ade go before signing a replacement our transfer committee need to be marched out back and summary executed for mass stupidity as they clearly haven't learned anything from selling Berbatov and Keane prior to signing replacements.

Selling Ade will leave us with just Defoe to start the new season. Just Defoe. Defoe. Anyone remember how effective Defoe is as a lone striker? Just Defoe.

In an ideal world, everything would fall beautifully into place in perfect sequence for us, but this is the transfer window where utter chaos is the norm. Deals can be made or be destroyed after one right or wrong word. Everbody lies. Agents are full of shit, and many of them lie to their clients and the clubs in an effort to try to get other deals scuppered because they want their own clients to get the best paid jobs. The newspapers are full of shit. Players are thick as shit. Clubs are under enormous pressure from their fans and they feel they have to make big attractive signings because they need to sell their vastly overpriced season tickets...and everything is thrown into the mix.

Whilst all that's going on, it's a bloody miracle anything get's done at all, but I do agree with you that to have just one player as an option up front all season would be too much for any player, not just Defoe, but let's face it, it's highly unlikely we find ourselves in that situation and I agree that if we were, everyone at the club should be taken out and shot.

 

[$hoguN]

In an ideal world, everything would fall beautifully into place in perfect sequence for us, but this is the transfer window where utter chaos is the norm. Deals can be made or be destroyed after one right or wrong word. Everbody lies. Agents are full of shit, and many of them lie to their clients and the clubs in an effort to try to get other deals scuppered because they want their own clients to get the best paid jobs. The newspapers are full of shit. Players are thick as shit. Clubs are under enormous pressure from their fans and they feel they have to make big attractive signings because they need to sell their vastly overpriced season tickets...and everything is thrown into the mix.

Whilst all that's going on, it's a bloody miracle anything get's done at all, but I do agree with you that to have just one player as an option up front all season would be too much for any player, not just Defoe, but let's face it, it's highly unlikely we find ourselves in that situation and I agree that if we were, everyone at the club should be taken out and shot.

It is just not worth the risk at all, especially when Ade is the only one of our two current strikers who fits our system.

 

[Spurslove]

It is just not worth the risk at all, especially when Ade is the only one of our two current strikers who fits our system.

No use fitting our system if he's only going to contribute five goals all season. The world is full of shit strikers like him. We must do better.

 

[$hoguN]

No use fitting our system if he's only going to contribute five goals all season. The world is full of shit strikers like him. We must do better.

Modern strikers cannot only be compared by goals. It is what else they bring to the team that is just as vital, especially in systems that rely on a loan striker. I can give you multiple reasons and arguments why Ade is a better player than Defoe is and why you are wrong about him being "shit", one being his performances in the season before, but they have been rehashed and rehashed. So I will leave you with this; if Ade is shit, as you surmise, how bad must Defoe be for AVB to continuously pick Ade over him?

 

[Barry Mead]

So what? 17 is better than average no matter what way you spin it. Its a moot point anyway because his overall game was excellent that season coupled with a very healthy return goal wise.

The point for me is very valid, in just 7 games he scored the bulk of his goals and half his assists, which makes his impact in the other games pretty minimal. I think Ade can be very good against teams that suit his game, he likes to get a run on a light defence in a counter attack where he can run onto a forward pass in his stride, but he's not an in the box striker that we need and last season without creative players like Luka and VDV giving him more chances through the middle rather than the flank just underlined how limited he is for playing in our team
I don't think his overall game was excellent either, he was rarely in the box to get on the end of the passes and crosses played for the main striker to be on the end of, he was useless in the air in the box and in challenging any high balls out of defence or from the keeper. He really isn't the striker we need
We don't need a deep sitting striker who occasionally runs the flanks, we need a player who has great movement and positioning in the box and with clinical finishing, that isn't Ade

 

[Mr Pink]

The point for me is very valid, in just 7 games he scored the bulk of his goals and half his assists, which makes his impact in the other games pretty minimal. I think Ade can be very good against teams that suit his game, he likes to get a run on a light defence in a counter attack where he can run onto a forward pass in his stride, but he's not an in the box striker that we need and last season without creative players like Luka and VDV giving him more chances through the middle rather than the flank just underlined how limited he is for playing in our team
I don't think his overall game was excellent either, he was rarely in the box to get on the end of the passes and crosses played for the main striker to be on the end of, he was useless in the air in the box and in challenging any high balls out of defence or from the keeper. He really isn't the striker we need
We don't need a deep sitting striker who occasionally runs the flanks, we need a player who has great movement and positioning in the box and with clinical finishing, that isn't Ade

In short that is just not that case I'm Afraid. For a start I remember him contributing to plenty of moves and being integral to the build up of our attacks which stats don't always measure.

We could well do with someone like you cite in your last sentence but personally I think that's a load of baloney attempting to minimise the impact and influence Adebayor had in his first season. He was excellent.

 

[Lighty64]

No use fitting our system if he's only going to contribute five goals all season. The world is full of shit strikers like him. We must do better.

so how many goals should he of got when he only had a total of 35 chances in 25 full matches?

surely if he only had 35 chances to score, just over 1 chance a match, which backs up my argument he never got the service.
http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/players/profile.statistics.html/emmanuel-adebayor

apart from the shoot out in EL i honestly don't know of a game where Ade could of been blamed of missing a chance that cost us points.

if Bale wasn't so accurate out of the box, he wouldn't have an 80m tag over his head, ok he would still be worth a lot more.