Arsenal

[southlondonyiddo]

Worrying for them that he doesn’t want to get stuck in straight away with the game v Everton

He’d rather chill in the stand and watch FL struggle again

We heard and expected Ryan Mason to be in charge v West Ham when Jose came in but no Jose took charge immediately

For me it doesn’t send out a great message especially as he’s ex scum and Man City played them last week. It’s not like he knows nothing about his new team!!

Love it. Long may they continue in the wilderness

 

[rossdapep]

Hard to say. Our current manager has won plenty and he was only a translator. There is always a chance he will shine but I think it is too far too fast. He needs to manage some reserve teams or teams in lower leagues to learn more first before taking control of a team that is in the top half of the Premiere League. This is real life, not Football manager computer games

He was buy he spent A LOT of time with Sir Bobby. In fact he grew into a managerial role because he ended up doing a lot of Bobbys managerial work - delivering team talks, planning sessions, talking to players individually, making big decisions. Rather than a coach he was pretty much acting manager at times.

Secondly, he went out and coached at a lower level club on his own first (Uniao Leiria), this is fundamental.

Also, he's studied sports science and understands psychological aspects.

All of these aspects and experiences define Mourinho.

All Arteta has is his playing experience and coaching under Pep. He will be doing some managerial aspects for the very first time and he'll have no time to learn on the job. it'll be sink or swim

 

[TorontoYid]

But to come from a non football background and become one of the best managers in the world?

For examples of successful players that went straight to big teams and did ok there is Didier Dechamps who went to Monaco, Diego Simeone did his first manager role at Racing, Dalglish started as Player/Manager at Liverpool, Mario Zagallo won the world cup as a player and then won the next one as manager.

There are plenty of examples of players doing well jumping straight into a top teams manager role but I really hope this will not be one of them.

 

[sausage]

But to come from a non football background and become one of the best managers in the world?

For examples of successful players that went straight to big teams and did ok there is Didier Dechamps who went to Monaco, Diego Simeone did his first manager role at Racing, Dalglish started as Player/Manager at Liverpool, Mario Zagallo won the world cup as a player and then won the next one as manager.

There are plenty of examples of players doing well jumping straight into a top teams manager role but I really hope this will not be one of them.

How many did well jumping straight into a broken team that has already seen off two high profile managers?

 

[coy-spurs1882]

#Arsexit

 

[ernie78]

My colleague who supports arsenal is gutted, can’t believe they’ve let Ancelotti go to Everton to have Arteta. “Who the hell is saying he’s a club legend??? He was good for Everton but came to us as a panic buy to replace Fabregas. Club legend my arse, we won nothing with him”
?

 

[JCRD]

To be fair he is impressive and definitely intelligent... the thing is whether it will be successful translated into practice

 

[Gb160]

Fergie had three assistants who all went on the manage.

Brian Kidd failed to keep Blackburn up, sacked with the club 19th in Division One the following season. Lasted less than a year. Hasn't managed, only assistant and youth coach since.

Schteve McClaren we all know about. Won titles at Twente but shit everywhere else.

Carlos Queiroz flopped bigly at Real Madrid (who the hell gave him that job anyway?) and has only managed national sides since.

And that's not even mentioning all the players he's had who have taken managerial jobs, only Hughes when he was at Man City has had anything resembling a decent spell at any club.


Apprenticing and assisting a top manager does not a top manager make, that much is clear.

And Meulensteen, who was shite.

 

[popstar7]

It’s definitely a brave appointment. Possibly a stupid one. Can’t decide. The guy is thirty-seven, ffs. You can imagine Ozil, Luiz or Aubameyang flexing their egos to see what the new guy is made of.

There’s parallels to us in 2014 when MP took over, I think. A squad with some talent but quite a few players - especially senior ones - who weren’t committed. Pochettino bet the farm on youth and his way of playing the game and it paid off, which is credit to him and credit to them.

Seems the only way for Arteta to go too . Don’t think the club are prepared to buy their way back to CL contention so he’s going to have to find some Kane’s/Allis/Diers who can step up.

 

[nailsy]

Hard to say. Our current manager has won plenty and he was only a translator. There is always a chance he will shine but I think it is too far too fast. He needs to manage some reserve teams or teams in lower leagues to learn more first before taking control of a team that is in the top half of the Premiere League. This is real life, not Football manager computer games

Apparently he does have managerial experience against less prestigious teams. Pep let him pick the tactics and team against Arsenal once.

 

[slartibartfast]

I think the biggest problem he'll face is getting respect from the players. Is Ozil gonna take being told he's a lazy fk from him? The youngsters may look up to him but some older senior players probably wont.
Personally I'm delighted. Lmao.

 

[nailsy]

Apparently Arsenal didn't even give Ljungberg any coaching staff. He had to get the club Dr. to do the pre game warm up with the players last match.

 

[slartibartfast]

Apparently he does have managerial experience against less prestigious teams. Pep let him pick the tactics and team against Arsenal once.

I coached from u8s to u11s for 4 years. Have i got more experience lol.
Edit. Ooh missed my 4 years coaching some of the worst pub teams ever to play from my CV. Anyway, when do I start.

 

[nailsy]

I coached from u8s to u11s for 4 years. Have i got more experience lol.
Edit. Ooh missed my 4 years doing some of the worst pub teams ever to play from my CV. Anyway, when do I start.

Will they do want to bring youth players through so you've probably got a chance next time.

 

[slartibartfast]

My colleague who supports arsenal is gutted, can’t believe they’ve let Ancelotti go to Everton to have Arteta. “Who the hell is saying he’s a club legend??? He was good for Everton but came to us as a panic buy to replace Fabregas. Club legend my arse, we won nothing with him”
?

How quickly they forget. They won the 4th place trophy loads of times ?

 

[slartibartfast]

Will they do want to bring youth players through so you've probably got a chance next time.

February? lol

 

[TorontoYid]

I think the biggest problem he'll face is getting respect from the players. Is Ozil gonna take being told he's a lazy fk from him? The youngsters may look up to him but some older senior players probably wont.
Personally I'm delighted. Lmao.

I think Ozil will only respond to a manager in the top 10. His ego is just too big

 

[philll]

Ozil's not going to like Arteta being his boss, they were in the same Arsenal side for a few years.

 

[Timberwolf]

My head says this could go either way but just from watching his interviews my gut says this will end in tears.

He may well be a fine coach and turn out to be a top manager, but taking on this as your first job just seems too much for someone so inexperienced. It's arguably one of the hardest jobs in world football: a club with an imbalanced squad, limited budget, massive expectations and some bad eggs in the dressing room. The fans say they'll be patient but no-one is very patient in the modern game and given they'll probably lose PEA + others in the summer, he'll need to also do very well in the transfer market. I think even some of the top established managers in the game would really struggle, let alone a relative novice.

You need to be a very special manager indeed to turn this rat-infested ship around, and I just don't think he has the charisma or the experience to do it. Not yet anyway.

 

[rossdapep]

But to come from a non football background and become one of the best managers in the world?

For examples of successful players that went straight to big teams and did ok there is Didier Dechamps who went to Monaco, Diego Simeone did his first manager role at Racing, Dalglish started as Player/Manager at Liverpool, Mario Zagallo won the world cup as a player and then won the next one as manager.

There are plenty of examples of players doing well jumping straight into a top teams manager role but I really hope this will not be one of them.

He didn't come from a non-football background. His father was coach of Setubal, his mother was a teacher too, so he has been in and around football and education his whole life. The point isn't that anyway, it's that he exposed himself to management with a club where he could put himself to the test, without the intense pressures like at a bigger club. This allowed him more control and space to get things wrong.

Brendan Rodgers did the same.
Poch did the same.

Arteta's appointment is more akin to Gattuso or Seedorf. Zero managerial experience. It's vastly different to management.

I'd also argue Mourinho was exposed to management before coaching. That's a big advantage in these situations.