Andy Carroll

[Paolo10]

He is the player we're crying out for.

 

[Paolo10]

Agree with you 100% BBLG!

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

Not convinced by Carroll, he runs like a lepper and Dawson put him in his back pocket. He gets marked out of games by intelligent defenders.

 

[Paolo10]

Future England no. 9 at 21, fits the type of striker we need and I would love to see continental defenders try to handle him. He will only improve.

We need him more than Suarez, Harry is bang on if Carroll is our no.1 target.

 

[AngerManagement]

The Dunc Comparison is so lazy, if you actually watch Carroll's goals then Ferguson had neither the skill nor composure to score like that. Carroll scores glanced headers, looping headers, powerful headers where he puts his body on the line. He takes the ball round goalkeepers, he dinks the ball over goal keepers, he poaches at the ends of moves (some of which he actually starts with a pretty decent crossfield pass by the way, like his third v Villa), he shifts and shoots, he hits it from distance, he places the ball into the corner, he scores with his weaker foot too. He had a brilliant array of different types of goal, he is a born finisher.

On top of all of that, he has those great Duncan Ferguson qualities of being able to win everything with his back to goal unless marshalled superbly (thank you Michael Dawson and Younes Kaboul), he has more pace than people give him credit for (Certainly more than all of Keane, Crouch and Pav), his first touch is pretty good, especially in the box, and he plays with his head up.

The guy is raw, but there is not one ingredient which he has not shown, and that is in a side who are not particularly good. Surround him with Modric, VDV, Bale and Lennon and you've got a striker of potentially stellar proportions.


Oh, but I fogot, we could find a European player who is just as good for cheaper, couldn't we?

I think the comparisons to Alan Shearer are a lot more lazy than those to Ferguson and Beattie. The Shearer comparison seems to be based on nothing more than the number shirt they share at NEwcastle, other than that I don't see how the young Andy Carroll is fit to lace the boots of the Shearer who was outstanding for Blackburn.

I have watched as much of Carroll as a non Newcastle fan is likely to see, I have seen him play whenever Newcastle have been live on Sky this year not to mention MOTD highlights and his ENgland cap vs France, add to that England U21 games and the odd game in the Championship last year and I have seen him play a decent amount I feel (at least enough to form my own opinions about him, which surely I am entitled to).

Personally he reminds me a great deal of Duncan Ferguson, Ferguson was a good player he scored goals against big teams like Man U and Liverpool and not only bulldozing headers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO9xcwsZnH4
I actually think Dunc was under rated, he did well enough in a scrappy Everton side for Newcastle to pay big money for him I just think Newcastle was not the best fit. Ferguson like Carroll was a good PL striker who would cause defences trouble for 90mins of every match, but he wasn't a top draw striker like Drogba, Torres or Shearer for example.

Carroll is a good player, I just don't think he will be a great player and certainly no Drogba or Shearer in my opinion and fees in excess of £20m seem like madness to me.

He doesn't have the class of a Benzema, he is amazing in the air and his goal against Liverpool was excellent but thus far he has had one decent half season in the league in a team basically built around him (BArton pumps balls in for him to attack all day, and Nolan also supports his game nicely)

I see a lot of the young James Beattie in Carroll, Beattie was dominant in the air and had a lot of potential that for one reason or another he never lived up to (he was outstanding in the CHampionship just like Carroll was) I think Carroll has potential, he doesn't have the class of Shearer but he if very effective and if he develops to reach his potential (unlike BEattie) could be a very good PL striker for years to come, but it is a big gamble as to how good he will become at the prices being mentioned for him.

That being said, I think he would be effective for us. He would certainly offer us a different dimension to what we currently have and it would be good to see a striker rough up the opposition defences a little, although personally I would rather us sign a striker with intelligent movement and guile who could complement the skillful attacking players we have so we could play total football.

I think Carroll is in contrast to the rest of our squad, and while it would be effective I would rather see us sign someone who fits the way we player rather than have to change our style to get the best out of a player like Carroll (I'm not saying Carroll is not capable of moving well and linking play, but he is not as good as someone like Benzema would be I feel and to get the very best out of a striker like Carroll you need to ensure he has a good deal of crosses and high balls to attack like Barton provides him with currently and I for one don't relish seeing us playing to his strengths)

 

[NEVILLEB]

We'll definitely sign him

Levy is desperate and Ashley loves the monies!

 

[alpha]

I think the comparisons to Alan Shearer are a lot more lazy than those to Ferguson and Beattie. The Shearer comparison seems to be based on nothing more than the number shirt they share at NEwcastle, other than that I don't see how the young Andy Carroll is fit to lace the boots of the Shearer who was outstanding for Blackburn.

I have watched as much of Carroll as a non Newcastle fan is likely to see, I have seen him play whenever Newcastle have been live on Sky this year not to mention MOTD highlights and his ENgland cap vs France, add to that England U21 games and the odd game in the Championship last year and I have seen him play a decent amount I feel (at least enough to form my own opinions about him, which surely I am entitled to).

Personally he reminds me a great deal of Duncan Ferguson, Ferguson was a good player he scored goals against big teams like Man U and Liverpool and not only bulldozing headers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO9xcwsZnH4
I actually think Dunc was under rated, he did well enough in a scrappy Everton side for Newcastle to pay big money for him I just think Newcastle was not the best fit. Ferguson like Carroll was a good PL striker who would cause defences trouble for 90mins of every match, but he wasn't a top draw striker like Drogba, Torres or Shearer for example.

Carroll is a good player, I just don't think he will be a great player and certainly no Drogba or Shearer in my opinion and fees in excess of £20m seem like madness to me.

He doesn't have the class of a Benzema, he is amazing in the air and his goal against Liverpool was excellent but thus far he has had one decent half season in the league in a team basically built around him (BArton pumps balls in for him to attack all day, and Nolan also supports his game nicely)

I see a lot of the young James Beattie in Carroll, Beattie was dominant in the air and had a lot of potential that for one reason or another he never lived up to (he was outstanding in the CHampionship just like Carroll was) I think Carroll has potential, he doesn't have the class of Shearer but he if very effective and if he develops to reach his potential (unlike BEattie) could be a very good PL striker for years to come, but it is a big gamble as to how good he will become at the prices being mentioned for him.

That being said, I think he would be effective for us. He would certainly offer us a different dimension to what we currently have and it would be good to see a striker rough up the opposition defences a little, although personally I would rather us sign a striker with intelligent movement and guile who could complement the skillful attacking players we have so we could play total football.

I think Carroll is in contrast to the rest of our squad, and while it would be effective I would rather see us sign someone who fits the way we player rather than have to change our style to get the best out of a player like Carroll (I'm not saying Carroll is not capable of moving well and linking play, but he is not as good as someone like Benzema would be I feel and to get the very best out of a striker like Carroll you need to ensure he has a good deal of crosses and high balls to attack like Barton provides him with currently and I for one don't relish seeing us playing to his strengths)

Good post!

 

[NickHSpurs]

Watched 'Sunday Supplement' on SS2 this morning and one of the journo's categorically said he had it from a very good source Tottenham have NOT bid for Andy Carroll.

 

[AngerManagement]

Watched 'Sunday Supplement' on SS2 this morning and one of the journo's categorically said he had it from a very good source Tottenham have NOT bid for Andy Carroll.

Even if we have I just can't see Newcastle selling now, their team is built around him largely and he is a big part of their ability to stay up.

That alone makes him worth a great deal to them, plus if he really is sidelined until April why would we bid for him anyway? we can't afford to make such an investment and then wait around til then when we need results hear and now

 

[Paolo10]

Bigger picture he is what we need, could see us really challenge after another window. No patience?

 

[AngerManagement]

Bigger picture he is what we need, could see us really challenge after another window. No patience?

The bigger picture is without CL football next year we might lose a lot of momentum and some of the great team spirit we have developed.

What if players start to become discontent and their heads get turned by other clubs as a result?

Carroll in my opinion has not done anything to suggest he would turn us into a title contending team, no way is he worth over £20m. There is as much chance (if not more) that he will fade away somewhat once opposition defenders realise the best way to play against him (like Dawson and Kaboul did with ease)

He might find the PL a tougher league to score goals in next season, many a player has failed to reproduce early form.

I for one don't particularly want us to sign him as I don't rate him as the new Shearer yet he would only be sold at a price that would reflect someone of such quality.

pass.

 

[double0]

He isnt worth the figures brandished around such a fee would be a heavy weight around his neck...I don't think his ready for it.

 

[RJ1882]

If he scores goals his value cannot be measured. Look at the shite we have to watch that have cost us probably £50m. If Carrol can score the goals they all have between them this season, and for a quarter of the wage, then its good business.

My god. A bad transfer window, a bad week and a terrible day.
We need miracles tomorrow. Miracles in the shape of £50m and 3 big signings.

 

[AngerManagement]

He is being touted on Talksport as a £30m target for Liverpool to replace the Chelsea bound Torres.

Would be interesting if they did sign him having already signed another of our targets in Suarez. Carroll on Suarez at Liverpool could be like watching Spurs strikerforce sliding doors style.

 

[SuperSpurs69]

according to Ian Dennis of 5live the scousers have offered £30 mil

 

[jj87]

Levy the 'super' business man in action! Watch him go!

 

[SuperSpurs69]

well according to SSN newcastle have rejected it.

 

[littlemandefoe]

Put this in the general football thread haha, didn't know we could post all footy related stories in here, my bad. Can't believe Liverpool are putting out all the stops to sign another striker when they have such a shite defense.

 

[AngerManagement]

Put this in the general football thread haha, didn't know we could post all footy related stories in here, my bad. Can't believe Liverpool are putting out all the stops to sign another striker when they have such a shite defense.

Why would it be in general football?

Carroll is a player we have been linked with throughout the transfer window and only two days ago it was reported that we bid £25m for him (a club record)

This is the transfer rumour forum for players linked with us, Carroll is a player that has been linked with us and as such it is rightfully in the transfer rumour forum.

Plus the liverpool information could/would effect any potential move we would make for him so it's not a general football rumour is it?

 

[littlemandefoe]

Why would it be in general football?

I thought the transfer forum page was only for news regarding spurs. Sorry.