Am I missing something?

[SteveH]

It was all over twitter mate, I didn't actually say that it was being said on SC.

In fairness though, Twitter is a much easier place to find fickle fans.

I'm sorry lads trying to paint any fan as "fickle" after watching yesterday is bit harsh. I know fans can be 'a little shallow' at times but come lets tell it as it is. We were humbled by West Ham yesterday and fair play to them. We had our knickers taken down in the front of class and our backsides slapped.

If we had done that to Arsenal or Chelsea can you imagine what our younger contingent amongst our fans would have been like on twitter. To the victor goes the spoils (bragging rights).

 

[CosmicHotspur]

Shock results against form are part of the game and it happens to most teams.

I'm as upset and humiliated by the result as anyone but when shit happens we have to wipe our arses, move on and start winning again.

 

[Mr Pink]

I think the fans were equally as terrible as players and management yesterday, and is a theme that has developed in recent years - in fact it's sometimes difficult for me to say I enjoy going to the lane any more. So many are caught up with a culture of expectation, the customer not the fan complex.

It was a very bad day at the office, I think the scoreline doesn't quite reflect the play and is something that has skewed some opinion which has led to some wild opinions chucked about. Sometimes it happens, that's the beauty of the game and whilst it hurts like hell, we wouldn't want it any other way would we?

I expect AVB will have a massive inquest into what went wrong, looking at himself and the team, but all in all it's probably his first utterly dreadful result with us, but it's one game. One solitary game, and no, this hasn't been coming at all. No one saw that in a million years.

If you can't see how bright the future is with us at the moment then I despair, I really do.

 

[Mr Pink]

I think the fans were equally as terrible as players and management yesterday, and is a theme that has developed in recent years - in fact it's sometimes difficult for me to say I enjoy going to the lane any more. So many are caught up with a culture of expectation, the customer not the fan complex.

It was a very bad day at the office, I think the scoreline doesn't quite reflect the play and is something that has skewed some opinion which has led to some wild opinions chucked about. Sometimes it happens, that's the beauty of the game and whilst it hurts like hell, we wouldn't want it any other way would we?

I expect AVB will have a massive inquest into what went wrong, looking at himself and the team, but all in all it's probably his first utterly dreadful result with us, but it's one game. One solitary game, and no, this hasn't been coming at all. No one saw that in a million years.

If you can't see how bright the future is with us at the moment then I despair, I really do.

Mate you always talk so much sense. I'd advise everyone to read and comprehend this post as its so on the money.

 

[SteveH]

I think the fans were equally as terrible as players and management yesterday, and is a theme that has developed in recent years - in fact it's sometimes difficult for me to say I enjoy going to the lane any more. So many are caught up with a culture of expectation, the customer not the fan complex.

It was a very bad day at the office, I think the scoreline doesn't quite reflect the play and is something that has skewed some opinion which has led to some wild opinions chucked about. Sometimes it happens, that's the beauty of the game and whilst it hurts like hell, we wouldn't want it any other way would we?

I expect AVB will have a massive inquest into what went wrong, looking at himself and the team, but all in all it's probably his first utterly dreadful result with us, but it's one game. One solitary game, and no, this hasn't been coming at all. No one saw that in a million years.

If you can't see how bright the future is with us at the moment then I despair, I really do.

If "culture of expectation" is wanting our team to do well and being bloody upset at sub standard performances from a squad costing in excess of £150m+ and then some. Then you are damn right, I am part of the "culture of expectation". I want a winning team - not just an also ran team but with great support. If I wanted that I'd follow Glasgow Rangers or Celtic.

 

[ShelfSide18]

If "culture of expectation" is wanting our team to do well and being bloody upset at sub standard performances from a squad costing in excess of £150m+ and then some. Then you are damn right, I am part of the "culture of expectation". I want a winning team - not just an also ran team but with great with support. If I wanted that I'd follow Glasgow Rangers or Celtic.

No of course I want a winning team you know what I mean surely. It's people who turn up, turn on the abuse from the first stray pass and if we don't win automatically go into 'boooo' mode.

 

[SteveH]

No of course I want a winning team you know what I mean surely. It's people who turn up, turn on the abuse from the first stray pass and if we don't win automatically go into 'boooo' mode.

These people have been going to football for the last 40+ years.
The booboy have been there all through the 70/80 got worse when the EPL TV opened the game to the masses. The world is changing along with the game. All fan want is to win. That has never changed, we all have.

Got to go - chin up.

 

[dagraham]

No of course I want a winning team you know what I mean surely. It's people who turn up, turn on the abuse from the first stray pass and if we don't win automatically go into 'boooo' mode.

I didn't hear any booing, apart from one or two collective groans when we were 2-0 down but had basically given up and were still content to pass it endlessely from midfield to defense and back. There seems more patience shown that at the beginnig of last season, where quite frankly the impatient nature of our fans was somehwat embarrasing.

It works both ways though. I agree the fans these days have been spoiled in the last few years but I have actually found our home performances very dull in the main for quite some time.

 

[mattyspurs]

I don't ever expect us to win. I just expect us to actually put in a performance. We didn;t do that yesterday. I'm not going to shout and scream as it doesn't get us anywhere, but I can understand why fans are doing so. It wasn't good enough from us, simple as that. We will learn from it, i'm sure.

 

[WiganSpur]

Yesterday was one of those shite days that every club has. Thankfully for us under AVB it hasn't been too much of a regular occurrence (Inter & Norwich away, Fulham & Wigan at home off the top of my head) and hopefully it will remain that way. However, yes yesterdays result is not the end of the world but it's still 3 points dropped which will come back to haunt us at the end of the season like Fulham did last year. When we find the right combinations, partnerships and formation we'll be fine but we need to start picking up points as well. Being 'fine' is far from achieving top 4 in a league that's never been so competitive. Yesterday was a huge chance to gain ground on Arsenal and we fluffed it in classic Spurs style.

 

[talkshowhost86]

These people have been going to football for the last 40+ years.
The booboy have been there all through the 70/80 got worse when the EPL TV opened the game to the masses. The world is changing along with the game. All fan want is to win. That has never changed, we all have.

Got to go - chin up.

But now more of them go and that's what spoils the atmosphere. I've been to a couple of games this year (having given up my season ticket for precisely the reason that 'fans' at the game were starting to ruin the fun of it all) and the atmosphere has been shit.

Nobody is expecting the fans to sing loudly when we're 3-0 down and the team are playing terribly. But it was quiet from the start yesterday. When we went 1-0 down most fans seemed to give up rather than trying to encourage the team and that is a shame.

As has been said, people now expect to see us win more than they want to see us win, and there's a lot of spoilt-childery when it doesn't happen.

 

[ShelfSide18]

I didn't hear any booing, apart from one or two collective groans when we were 2-0 down but had basically given up and were still content to pass it endlessely from midfield to defense and back. There seems more patience shown that at the beginnig of last season, where quite frankly the impatient nature of our fans was somehwat embarrasing.

It works both ways though. I agree the fans these days have been spoiled in the last few years but I have actually found our home performances very dull in the main for quite some time.

There was booing, not the worst by a long shot, but still ridiculous to me. You boo when you're club is going down the toilet.

Re the dull performances - I think it's a symptom of where we are now. Teams come to WHL and sit very deep, they restrict space and hence the game is condensed into the oppositions defensive third. For us it's about patience, and I don't think the fans are quite getting that yet, we are faced with 11 men walls and hence us circulating the ball from side to side - our best games in recent years have often been away from home when the hosts sometimes feel obliged to attack, or at home when a side comes and gives it a go and doesn't sit in their bunker. We play every home game now with the opposition not giving us a run up, and we've really struggled to replace Modric who was perfect at getting the ball fizzing around at speed.

 

[Bulletspur]

Yesterday was one of those shite days that every club has. Thankfully for us under AVB it hasn't been too much of a regular occurrence (Inter & Norwich away, Fulham & Wigan at home off the top of my head) and hopefully it will remain that way. However, yes yesterdays result is not the end of the world but it's still 3 points dropped which will come back to haunt us at the end of the season like Fulham did last year. When we find the right combinations, partnerships and formation we'll be fine but we need to start picking up points as well. Being 'fine' is far from achieving top 4 in a league that's never been so competitive. Yesterday was a huge chance to gain ground on Arsenal and we fluffed it in classic Spurs style.

This was never 3 points dropped as we were outplayed and outscored by the "better" team on the day. If we had lost to Cardiff or Norwich games after the way we outplayed them, then that could be considered as 3 points dropped.

 

[jezz]

I personally hope it was just a bad day at the office.
But how many managers are gonna look at that and the 2nd half against chelsea and find us out?
(squeeze the front 3 and let the DM have the ball)
To many bad days at the office cost us CL last season.
Yes we are a new team gelling and will take time.
But only 2 of our signings started yesterday.
What i take exception to, is to ship out our stars to Russia to play in a cow field WTF.
Sandro can trot off round the world an play in shite hols, but cant play in the PL( hes coming back from injury, why is he playing in a fcuking pile of shite frezzing field in Russia where he has more chance of injury?)
And yes he should have played yesterday and we wouldnt have been overrun in the midfield.
I have said everything i have to say about Dembelle in the Dembelle thread, he shouldnt be in the first team.
I said this at the beginning of the season, not just after yesterdays performance.
JD three years of blowing hot and cold and still some fans wanted him in. thank fuck thats sorted now.
At the cost of three points i might add. YES he should have scored simple.
Walker was ill yesterday, why was he playing?
Anyone saying we shouldnt be changing the personnel are fucking day dreaming.
Are you serious? Why spend £100 million.
I could take the defeat if we tried out new signings from the off yesterday and it failed fair enough.
Were the fuck was the left side yesterday?
Did anybody actually play there, it certainly didnt look like it.
Rant over, and yes were all fans with different ideas of how we should play. i want quick movement and team goals with flair.
We have the personnel to do it, so lets more goals like the Cardiff goal.
Any more of that second half crap we played yesterday, we be lucky to be in the europa, never mind the CL

 

[spud]

What I'm seeing, not just on here but all over twitter, is people calling for AVB to be sacked and this player and that player are garbage and should be dropped. That Adebayor is now our saviour and that we cannot win without Ekotto or Danny Rose at LB!?

It's madness.

It is indeed madness. It's also symptomatic of the current phenomena of wanting 'everything' and wanting it now, coupled with a sense of entitlement.

Today's society is full of twats who think that they have a 'right' to whatever it is that takes their fancy. So they have a 'right' to expect Spurs to play well and win every game. They have a 'right' to be angry when we don't. They have a'right' to be outraged when we lose at home - particularly to a poor team like West Ham. They have a 'right' to vent this outrage by booing their own team. Don't speak to these people about responsibilities though; that's somebody else's concern.

 

[worcestersauce]

I never heard booing yesterday I was in the park lane until the end and there wasn't any there so if there was it must have been a bit halfhearted.

 

[OmarsComing]

As Big Sam rightly said, we got our arses kicked.

Citation needed

 

[OmarsComing]

I've been a member of Spurs Community for a long time and needless to say Spurs Chat has always been a place where you can find some solid, well thought out analysis of any Spurs game but as we all know, it's well known for it's knee jerk reactions to losses. However, what I'm seeing after this West Ham defeat is nothing short of utter madness.

How can 90 minutes of football flip everything on it's head in quite such alarming fashion amongst our fans? Before this game kicked off, we were sat 3rd in the table after 7 games and had the best defensive record in Europe. I believe we had also lost 1 game in the last 17 or something along those lines.

There's no two ways about it. Yesterday was clearly a very poor perfomance but as the old saying goes, one swallow doesn't make a summer and so quite frankly one defeat does not ruin a season that has barely even got started!

Arsenal lost their opening game to Aston Villa at home. 2 weeks ago Liverpool lost at home to Southamton. Last week Man Utd lost at home to West Brom and got hammered by City the week before. Were all their seasons over as a result? Of course not. You'd have to be a fucking retard to think so.

Form is something that develops over time. Team chemistry is no different and there is absolutely no doubt that with the overhaul of our squad and we are still yet to really establish our best starting 11. This is going to take time and I personally feel that the 2nd half of our season will be the strongest that we've ever had but even in saying that it seems so far away.....probably because it is.....that it's barely even worth thinking about.

Losing is no different to Winning in the sense that, 1 victory does not mean you're winning the league, no matter how good it is, in the same way that 1 loss doesn't mean relegation. Sure, West Ham fans are happy as larry this morning but they still only have 8 points are in sat in 13th place. They will know full well that they aren't on the road to champions league qualification after yesterday and we need to be equally as clear about the rest of our season.

In my opinon, yesterday's result was a perfect storm of Europa League hangover (Russia isn't just a cheeky jaunt down the road ya know) questionable team selection (although most of us were saying JD deserved a start after his goal scoring exploits of late) and just overall complacency for a team that was sat in the bottom 3. We were poor on the day but has anyone considered that if Defoe scores the 1 on 1 at the start of the 2nd half, how different it all could have been?

My final point would be about Moussa Dembele. I'm actually at a loss to understand why people are suddenly calling for his head. Moussa is one of our best players. How short are peoples memories that they forget that he was MOTM last week and was frankly magnificent. Just because he doesn't litter the stat columns with goals and assists doesn't mean he is a poor or limited player. His contribution to the team is far more wide ranging than this and he is also one of the only players to have started and played the full 90 mins in Russia and then again yesterday. Fans should have some respect for a player that we simply could not do without last season.

There is no doubt that AVB got it wrong yesterday but I defy anyone to suddenly start suggesting that we must be shit because we got beaten 3-0 by West Ham. Absolute garbage. We will bounce back, we will be better in our next game and we have far too good a squad to not be challenging for top 4 honours this season. As I have said MANY, MANY times on this site down the years......let's all have a little perspective shall we?

Very well written, are you a journalist/writer? You should start a blog on here.

Are you missing anything?


Yes, insanity.

 

[DiscoD1882]

It is indeed madness. It's also symptomatic of the current phenomena of wanting 'everything' and wanting it now, coupled with a sense of entitlement.

Today's society is full of twats who think that they have a 'right' to whatever it is that takes their fancy. So they have a 'right' to expect Spurs to play well and win every game. They have a 'right' to be angry when we don't. They have a'right' to be outraged when we lose at home - particularly to a poor team like West Ham. They have a 'right' to vent this outrage by booing their own team. Don't speak to these people about responsibilities though; that's somebody else's concern.

This this and this. We have been also rans for so long. We are building something special at spurs for the first time in years. Be patient support the team. Take the lows with grace. By all means be annoyed. But look at the big picture. Seasons aren't made on one bad result against another London team. Derbies throw up strange results. Let's just see where we are at the end of the season.

 

[Ironskullll]

Hmmm I recall seeing Spurs lose at home 4-0 to west ham at the beginning of the 81/82 season. David Cross scored all WHU's goals. We finished 4th , above Arsenal, and won the cup. WHU ended up mid table.