A bit of perspective

[shelfboy68]

I agree but let's be honest, we have been truly shocking for almost all of that 26 years and we can blame the club for that, we are no longer poor and I think it's wrong to lay that shit on this team and manager.

Definitely agree with that mate their is no question we are in a better place than we were previously more respected now which last night's efforts from the pie and mash boys showed, otherwise they would of been on the end of a hiding had we been on our game.
The only thing left now is to deliver a trophy or two because as I said in an earlier post you get nothing for being the nearly men

 

[Dinghy]

How's this for perspective? Since Poch took over...

 

[whitestreak]

How's this for perspective? Since Poch took over...
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It was after i saw that table on Statto tha i wrote the original post! I agree wholeheartedly

 

[TaoistMonkey]

We can all sit here wanking each other off about points per game, comparing us to other clubs and how good we've been over 2 seasons but fact of the matter is we end the season trophy-less again. We need to stop crowing on about how good we are until we have a trophy to show for it

Does the community shield class as this season or next season?

 

[whitestreak]

Our starting 11 Yesterday cost £90-100m approx
I reckon we could sell them for 3-5x that! At least!

we had a bad day yesterday ...we won 9 on the trot before that, can we strengthened sure, but since Poch arrived we have been the 2nd most successful team overall and the most successful in the last 2 years, so if our business has been bad what are the 18 clubs below us doing?

It is much easier to blame wembley and The sky 4/5 getting stronger. You may be right, It is conventional wisdom that Spurs are "Spursy" and that we will soon revert back to our station of 6th in the league. A lot of people thought the same at the start of this season.

But I for one really doubt it. I wonder what Poch really believes. Do you honestly think in his heart he agrees with the realistic somewhat negative approach that conventional wisdom holds with?

My view of him is very different, I see a man that is brave courageous and loyal. I believe he is enjoying himself immensely, imagine the job satisfaction he is getting,

Taking on many of the so called best managers in the world. ..Guardiola Mourinho Klopp Wenger, beating them and almost matching Conte with a fraction of the budget.

What a buzz that must be in the best league in the world, Tottenham is his baby and the world knows it.

It is just about to go and play a season at the cradle of football, prior to moving into the best new stadium in the world?

Unless he has a huge fight with Lewis or Levy I can not believe he is going anywhere. It is not just about the money (salary), it is about the project for him.

He knows like Fergie Wenger etc. before him that if he achieves success on the pitch he can name his price from Spurs and he will get it.

 

[eddiev14]

I've steered clear of social media (including SC) since yesterday's result as perspective is always needed after a defeat.

Bill's famous saying of there being an echo of glory in failure, if you set your sights high, is so, so apt right now.

We aimed for the title. We didn't quite get there but that lofty ambition will most likely see us finish 2nd.

That is an outstanding season for us, especially if you consider that most of us were very unsure we'd be able to challenge for the top 4 when we did predictions in August. The media and pundits didn't even have us in the picture.

We need to send off WHL next weekend in style, get the 3 points and - to those who are going - show our appreciation for another wonderful season.

I've been waiting all my life for this but it finally seems like we have the setup and manager to deliver something great at the club.

 

[TaoistMonkey]

Liverpool fan at work....
"Bottle jobs two seasons in a row!"

Me...
"Oh when did you last finish second? Has it slipped your mind"

Chortle Chortle

 

[yiddopaul]

I agree but let's be honest, we have been truly shocking for almost all of that 26 years and we can blame the club for that, we are no longer poor and I think it's wrong to lay that shit on this team and manager.

Yeah. Currently, we are going to win something sooner rather than later. We didnt win anything major as you say because we were truly awful. That's not so now.

 

[yiddopaul]

Liverpool fan at work....
"Bottle jobs two seasons in a row!"

Me...
"Oh when did you last finish second? Has it slipped your mind"

Chortle Chortle

Before Christmas they were one of the favorites for the title. 10 points or so ahead of us.

 

[whitestreak]

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...g-pack-who-deserve-our-contempt-a3532951.html

The silliest notion of the season is that Tottenham are legends. The idea that Friday’s 1-0 defeat by West Ham was a failure of nerve or a sign of weak character from Mauricio Pochettino’s team is truly bizarre.

That’s because the second daftest notion of this campaign is that there was ever a title race. It was really a procession, with Chelsea slipping the field in February to lead by 10 points.

Spurs did enough to apply some pressure on Antonio Conte’s side by embarking on the nine-game winning run that came to an end in Stratford. It gave the illusion of a battle at the top of the Premier League and ensured Chelsea could not afford a slip-up. We should be grateful for Tottenham’s dogged pursuit, not contemptuous.

A better target for disdain could be found in the quartet of teams below Spurs. Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United and Arsenal have been in a reverse auction to claim the final two Champions League places. It’s not who wants it most but who does the least stumbling as they limp to the line.

A year ago, Spurs self-destructed. This time around they have grown up sufficiently for even the most cynical observer to admit progression. They have not matured rapidly enough to be realistic champions, but if they continue to develop it will be a different story in 12 months’ time.


Pochettino’s team still have flaws. They lack the lightning pace that most of their top-six rivals can conjure up when they are at their best.



They need a support striker for Harry Kane and another dynamic midfielder to complement Dele Alli.

Their composure under pressure has significantly improved over the campaign, but this young side still lack a little knowhow in the dark arts of disrupting the flow of games.

The club will have to be cleverer in the transfer market than they were last summer.

The team deserve a fitting send-off when they play their final game at White Hart Lane against Manchester United on Sunday.


If you want to know about Tottenham’s mettle it is worth contrasting the manner in which these two teams ended their unbeaten runs this weekend.

Jose Mourinho’s side had gone 24 League games unbeaten — 11 of them draws — but capitulated meekly to Arsenal at Emirates Stadium yesterday afternoon after setting up to defend.

There was nothing bold about Mourinho’s approach. The United manager planned for a stalemate with the vague notion of nicking a goal on the break to steal a victory. The 2-0 defeat was what they deserved

Spurs went to the London Stadium with the express intention of extending their winning run. They were not at their best, but it was not for want of ambition.

Even if Mourinho is allowed to spend £200million during the transfer window, Pochettino has more cause for optimism next season.

There will be one element of sadness on Sunday. The leaving of the Lane has had little fanfare compared to the teary-eyed festival of nostalgia at the Boleyn Ground a year ago. That makes sense. West Ham were departing their traditional home, leaving their East End heartland never to return. The nature of the club changed when they left Upton Park. Few Hammers’ fans will have any excuse to return to the area.

Spurs are coming back, so the last game should be less emotional. It will be a different stadium when they return but in a familiar, homely locale. West Ham’s soul never left Green Street; Tottenham’s will remain in N17. They should come back with an exciting future ahead.

The fears about an unsuccessful tenancy at Wembley are overstated. A month into the next campaign, the novelty will have begun to wear off and this side will learn to win there.


Christian Eriksen and the team’s overlapping full-backs should relish the open spaces out wide. Adding another winger in the summer might be prudent for Pochettino.

It has been a great season for Spurs. They have upended the north London hierarchy. If Arsene Wenger extends his contract as expected, it is hard to see Arsenal reasserting dominance. The next two years could be rancorous at the Emirates.

Tottenham need to win a trophy but the urgency will not become desperate until 12 months’ time. By then, they should be in a position to collect some silverware.

They will only get better. Spurs have no need to be ashamed after the West Ham loss. legends? Anyone who thinks this is a team of chokers must be hitting the bottle.

 

[Bobbins]

Aresal are the weakest mentality team we could play. If fans think we don't have a problem when it comes to the crunch are dillusuonal. I wouldn't back us to beat Watford in a cup final next week

To be honest, I wish we could get a bang average team in a final or semi-final for once. It always seems to be bloody Chelsea or United, two teams that embody the whole ability to win against Spurs even when getting totally outplayed.

 

[JonnySpurs]

This is going to split opinion and annoy some people but I'm gonna say it anyway.

There's a lot of talk about trophies and the fact that we haven't won anything for a while but consider this. Arsenal have won the FA Cup twice in the last three years but has it helped their fans believe that Wenger should stay? Nope. Why? Cos they're under performing in the league and still can't get past the 1st knockout stage in CL.

What's even worse? I had to google last season's FA Cup final because I couldn't remember who played in it, let alone who won it. Apparently it was Man Utd, beating Palace 2-1!? I have absolutely no recollection of this at all. Now in fairness, my first child was less than 10 days old at this point but still, who really cares that they won it? I don't. Not envious at all.

There are only 2 trophies worth winning in club football for Spurs, the Premier League and the Champions League. We are challenging for the first already and getting closer. We are now back in the CL for the 2nd reason in a row and can hopefully now maintain that consistency for years to come. I'm personally envious of teams that are winning their domestic league and teams like Juve and Real Madrid that are consistently making semi-finals and finals of major european comps.

If we win the FA Cup or League Cup along the way then cool, that's great. But you'll have to forgive me if I'm really not bothered about it and more importantly I refuse to let it detract from what has been the best season I've known as a Spurs fan.

 

[michaelden]

This is going to split opinion and annoy some people but I'm gonna say it anyway.

There's a lot of talk about trophies and the fact that we haven't won anything for a while but consider this. Arsenal have won the FA Cup twice in the last three years but has it helped their fans believe that Wenger should stay? Nope. Why? Cos they're under performing in the league and still can't get past the 1st knockout stage in CL.

What's even worse? I had to google last season's FA Cup final because I couldn't remember who played in it, let alone who won it. Apparently it was Man Utd, beating Palace 2-1!? I have absolutely no recollection of this at all. Now in fairness, my first child was less than 10 days old at this point but still, who really cares that they won it? I don't. Not envious at all.

There are only 2 trophies worth winning in club football for Spurs, the Premier League and the Champions League. We are challenging for the first already and getting closer. We are now back in the CL for the 2nd reason in a row and can hopefully now maintain that consistency for years to come. I'm personally envious teams that are winning their domestic league and teams like Juve and Real Madrid that are consistently making semi-finals and finals or major european comps.

If we win the FA Cup or League Cup along the way then cool, that's great. But you'll have to forgive me if I'm really not bothered about it and more importantly I refuse to let it detract from what has been the best season I've known as a Spurs fan.

But the Community Shield! Its big and shiny

 

[archiewasking]

Before Christmas they were one of the favorites for the title. 10 points or so ahead of us.

Scouse legends

 

[Graysonti]

Liverpool fan at work....
"Bottle jobs two seasons in a row!"

Me...
"Oh when did you last finish second? Has it slipped your mind"

Chortle Chortle

Anyone would think we had finished above lolipool 7 times in 8 years..........

No wait

 

[whitestreak]

https://realsport101.com/news/sport...bottle-jobs-they-deserve-praise-not-criticism

The notion that Tottenham bottled the Premier League title is absolutely ludicrous.
Their rivals will mock, but it would be extremely cruel to argue that Tottenham have bottled their second consecutive chance for a first Premier League title since 1961. Spurs were beaten 1-0 at the London Stadium to remain four points behind leaders Chelsea, squandering the opportunity to cut the gap to a single point, but it’s nothing to be ashamed of. Tottenham should be proud that they’re the only side to give us a title challenge this year.

Ultimately, Chelsea have been top since November and Spurs were always the outside bet. Friday’s defeat comes after a run of nine consecutive Premier League wins, which is a remarkable achievement considering no other side have won the last three. They’ve been the most consistently excellent side in England over the past two seasons, accumulating the most points and wins, scoring the most goals and conceding the least, all with a net spend of a meagre £7m. That fee wouldn’t even buy you Paul Pogba’s right foot in today's market. Mauricio Pochettino and his young side deserve praise, not criticism. It's the chasing pack that deserve contempt.

Falling short at the final hurdle
As I’ve said, Tottenham didn’t bottle the title. Far from it. But they did, however, fall just short at the final hurdle. A run of nine successive wins saw a title race emerge seemingly out of thin air just as Chelsea were running away with the lead, but the pressure rose and Tottenham couldn’t cope in this fixture.

A London derby under intense circumstances with a highly charged atmosphere brought back memories of the infamous Battle of the Bridge, in which Spurs collapsed after leading 2-0 at the break. Credit to West Ham, though, for their work rate and quality of performance. In actual fact, they were the first side to outrun Spurs since Liverpool beat them in February. That result might just have spared Slaven Bilic the sack.

It was always going to be the case that West Ham would raise their game at home to Spurs. It’s their cup final and there’s nothing the Hammers love more than beating their greatest rivals. Pochettino should have expected this, but the intensity of the Hammers’ performance seemed to shock Spurs to their core and other than a flurry of chances in the first half, Spurs rarely tested Adrian.

A source of pride
Spurs should be extremely proud with how their season has gone. A young side with far less money pumped into it than the likes of Manchester United, Manchester City and even Chelsea, they showed that money isn’t everything, it’s all about the man in charge. Reaching the FA Cup semi-finals and finishing second in the league as the eventual winners’ only challenger is nothing to turn your nose up at. In reality, the title race wasn't a race. It was a procession and Spurs' consecutive winning streak only offered the illusion of a competitive race.

I think the point to make is that it was never Spurs’ title to lose. Simply put, they can’t bottle something they were never initially in a position to bottle. If anything, Manchester City bottled it. Or Liverpool are the real bottle-jobs. Both sides had spells at the top of the league throughout the season, albeit in the league’s early stage. Not once were Tottenham top; the closest they’ve come to Chelsea is four points and that’s with injuries to Harry Kane, Toby Alderweireld, Jan Vertonghen and Danny Rose for over half a season now, plus the added burden of European football. Neither Chelsea, nor Liverpool have had other competitions to worry about, barring a few domestic cup games. Chelsea, too, have been extremely fortunate with injuries.

Where do Tottenham go next?
Overall, Tottenham have reason to be proud. They’ve upended the north London hierarchy and ensured the Premier League had a title race. They still lack a little maturity and knowhow in the dark arts of title-winning, but the story will be different in 12 months’ time, despite the overstated fears of playing at Wembley next season. However, it does leave some questions that need to be answered? Where next for Spurs? How can they take the next step?

Where next is important. Pochettino will face a battle to keep his stars over the summer, namely Kyle Walker who has been repeatedly linked with a move to Manchester City and has seen his stock fall since Kieran Trippier seemingly displaced him as first choice. I think the most pressing concern of the holiday will be re-instilling a belief that glory is tangible at Spurs. Two years in a row Spurs have been in contention, but fell short. The disappointment was palpable and Pochettino needs to convince his squad that the effort hasn’t been for nothing.

How, though? Well, we’ve seen ample evidence of maturity amongst the Spurs ranks this season and it makes me think that the Wembley fears are overstated. The novelty will wear off and Spurs will find a way to win there. These two years’ worth of experience will provide plenty of knowhow should they find themselves at the top of the league with three games to go in 12 months’ time. Depth is needed in the squad, though. A back-up for Harry Kane and another winger to exploit the large spaces at Wembley would be prudent. It’s now essential that Spurs get their transfers right. No more Moussa Sissokos.

Jose Mourinho and Pep Guardiola may be given hundreds of millions to spend over the summer, but it’s Pochettino and Tottenham that should be more optimistic about their future. legends? Categorically not. It's only going to get better.

 

[Tucker]

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...g-pack-who-deserve-our-contempt-a3532951.html

Christian Eriksen and the team’s overlapping full-backs should relish the open spaces out wide. Adding another winger in the summer might be prudent for Pochettino.

It has been a great season for Spurs. They have upended the north London hierarchy. If Arsene Wenger extends his contract as expected, it is hard to see Arsenal reasserting dominance. The next two years could be rancorous at the Emirates.

Tottenham need to win a trophy but the urgency will not become desperate until 12 months’ time. By then, they should be in a position to collect some silverware.

They will only get better. Spurs have no need to be ashamed after the West Ham loss. legends? Anyone who thinks this is a team of chokers must be hitting the bottle.

It's almost as if keeping Kyle Walker might be useful...

 

[Classof17]

I can name sixteen other teams that would swap positions with us.

Whatever their fans, media or other soothsayers say a shit i don't give.

I can name hundreds but their will be thousands

 

[Armstrong_11]

this is how the table looked in Dec 2016......

and with 2 matches to go we are assured of top3? I am sure alot of our Christmas wishes came through.

 

[Classof17]

Brilliant season, best we've ever had in the modern era. Time will tell how next season is in Wembley. Time will tell if we keep our players.

The media can do one.

Now let's finish the season respectfully and cement our progress from last season by showing the mental maturity.

Special time for the club, privileged times to be a fan.