Jose Mourinho

spursfan77 · Oct 9, 2020

Tucker said:
I think one of the problems our club has had over the last 3-4 years is that we are always looking to the horizon.

“We will be be a big club once we are consistently in the top 4” “We will be able to challenge in the transfer market once the stadium is finished.” Our model has always been to sign potential and turn them into stars (and it’s worked by and large.)

But we are a big club, we can challenge now, and the thing that matters the most is what we do in the here and now.

For me in appointing Mourinho the club has changed MO somewhat, this isn’t so much a project to be built now, it’s a team that’s been tweaked and refreshed ready for a push at winning things. I genuinely feel like we are finally acting like a big club. Everyone will point to the Bale signing as the boost the club needed etc. But oddly enough, for me it’s the Doherty signing that impressed me, a player in his late twenties, from a team that finished in the top ten, with relatively little sell on value coming in to be an immediate starter. We never used to buy that type of player because we were worried about two or three years down the line.

Mourinho isn’t here for what might be possible in two years time, he’s here for what’s possible right now, and that’s really exciting to me. If he’s still here at the end of next season, that probably means he’s been successful. We can worry about if he stays or not then.

This is the point I made when we appointed him, yet you had people who couldn’t understand it. Some still wanted “the project”. None of our best players want that. They want to win yesterday not in 2 years time. There was moaning that he’d only be with us 2/3 seasons. Well, that’s the lifespan of the modern manager. Poch was an exception to the rule and especially that of a manager at THFC.

The signing of Bale is the one that points to us wanting to make a statement this season. Harry Kane must of woken up that day even more pleased than any of us. He probably thought, maybe I won’t have to move to win something, if this is the calibre of player we are bringing in. Let’s hope he’s fit to play some part against West Ham and we pick up where we left off. I don’t think it’s a coincidence our form picked up with his signing at all.

SpartanSpur · Oct 9, 2020

Frozen_Waffles said:
No suprise Everton are doing well now (world class manager who is backed), Liverpool (world class manager who is backed), city, well you get the idea.

But now we can add José to that list. And I will bet that there is your top four. Everton possibly excluded due to having Pickford.

Now it comes down to the best squads, and the best managers. So for me it's the above.

I think we have a chance.

Dream top 4 there - I'm not sure Everton will have the depth to do it but I'd love to see Arse, Chelsea and Utd miss out.

BringBack_leGin · Oct 9, 2020

Everlasting Seconds said:
And I suggest that your only argument, which in essence is that he has won by managing winning clubs, is severely mitigated by looking at what he did for a far less prestigious club.

I disagree. On that basis we can call every manager who has over achieved with a small club at one point a great manager. By your same logic, Ranieri is a better manager as his over achievement with Leicester dwarfs what Allegri achieved with Cagliari.

I think a great manager over achieves even with a great club (Pep, Mourinho, Ferguson), or takes a non top club to the top (Wenger, Klopp). A good manager hits par with a great club. Of course this is highly subjective, but I don’t see that Allegri has done anything to be spoken about in the same vein as the managers I’ve placed in brackets.

wrd · Oct 9, 2020

Even reading the article about how the club plan to go about building Clarke makes me think we really do have the ideal fit for us as manager here. He seems perfectly in tune with the Scouting department and the board. I bet even Levy who is responsible for bringing him here can't believe just how well Jose has integrated into the spurs fabric.

Mourinho looking to develop Jack Clarke with mentors Gareth Bale and Harry Kane

The teenager has made a big impression this summer on Jose Mourinho and the coaching staff after a tough first season at Tottenham Hotspur

www.football.london

LeParisien · Oct 9, 2020

BringBack_leGin said:
I disagree. On that basis we can call every manager who has over achieved with a small club at one point a great manager. By your same logic, Ranieri is a better manager as his over achievement with Leicester dwarfs what Allegri achieved with Cagliari.

I think a great manager over achieves even with a great club (Pep, Mourinho, Ferguson), or takes a non top club to the top (Wenger, Klopp). A good manager hits par with a great club. Of course this is highly subjective, but I don’t see that Allegri has done anything to be spoken about in the same vein as the managers I’ve placed in brackets.

Come on, he’s a top manager. What more could he have accomplished ?
Sassuolo - set the foundations for their subsequent rise to série A.
Cagliari - manager of the year during Mourinho first season at inter. Strong mid table finish.
Milan - won the league with an aging side who weren’t the strongest (Milan have won nothing since).
Juventus - won the league every year and reached two champions league finals.

He’s always pushed the limit of his teams expectations. He’s got a better record with Juventus than Pep does with Bayern and Man City. And he’s managed smaller teams than pep with success.

Spurs_Bear · Oct 9, 2020

I could come to regret this but I would argue Jose even seems more at home and "buying in to the vision" with us than he did in his first stint at Chelsea. You could argue that their vision was simply to spend dough and win the league but I cant fault anything he is doing off the pitch at all.

Shadydan · Oct 9, 2020

Everything that we're doing now as a club is making complete sense, our transfer strategy, the players we're bringing in, the players we're sending out on loan, holding players back from going on intl duty etc.. I'm constantly reading and hearing good things coming out of Spurs - we're acting like a big club, a club that I wished we would have acted like a decade ago. These are the sort of things Man Utd used regularly and we could only look on in envy.

I think we had the infrastructure in place to pull this off especially with the stadium being built but we didn't have the leader, Jose is the leader, he's managing the players, he's managing the fans' expectations and he's managing Levy which is what has needed to happen for a while, he is that personality we've been missing and you have to say that it's a match made in heaven.

ClintEastwould · Oct 9, 2020

Japhet said:
I'd replay the CL final and tell Sissoko not to wave his arms about.

Lol yeah such a weird game to choose when literally the following season we were in the final. Such an obvious choice.

shelfboy68 · Oct 9, 2020

Shadydan said:
Everything that we're doing now as a club is making complete sense, our transfer strategy, the players we're bringing in, the players we're sending out on loan, holding players back from going on intl duty etc.. I'm constantly reading and hearing good things coming out of Spurs - we're acting like a big club, a club that I wished we would have acted like a decade ago. These are the sort of things Man Utd used regularly and we could only look on in envy.

I think we had the infrastructure in place to pull this off especially with the stadium being built but we didn't have the leader, Jose is the leader, he's managing the players, he's managing the fans' expectations and he's managing Levy which is what has needed to happen for a while, he is that personality we've been missing and you have to say that it's a match made in heaven.

Think your find in years to come that although levy was responsible for the stadium and infrastructure, it was Jose who changed the mentality and direction of the club and to think many didn't want him.

Shadydan · Oct 9, 2020

shelfboy68 said:
Think your find in years to come that although levy was responsible for the stadium and infrastructure, it was Jose who changed the mentality and direction of the club and to think many didn't want him.

Setting the infrastructure in place literally describes changing the mentality and direction of the club.

shelfboy68 · Oct 9, 2020

Shadydan said:
Setting the infrastructure in place literally describes changing the mentality and direction of the club.

Maybe we are seeing everything aligning now, the only thing missing is fan's in the stadium.

slartibartfast · Oct 9, 2020

Spurs_Bear said:
I could come to regret this but I would argue Jose even seems more at home and "buying in to the vision" with us than he did in his first stint at Chelsea. You could argue that their vision was simply to spend dough and win the league but I cant fault anything he is doing off the pitch at all.

Even with his career it would have to be more satisfying winning a trophy with a) a club that hasn't won anything in so long, and b) without spending hundreds of millions to do so. I think he would love to be able to say fk you to those, myself included, who said its all about the money. And lets be honest, it would be a bigger achievement than achieving the same as every other manager has at the mega rich clubs.
I really think if we can have a relatively injury free season we're gonna be right up there. Kane, Son and Bale stay fit for the most part wel'l be challenging for the title.
I sensed a disturbance in the force.

slartibartfast · Oct 9, 2020

shelfboy68 said:
Maybe we are seeing everything aligning now, the only thing missing is fan's in the stadium.

How Spursy would it be for us to win the fuckin league with no fans?
Its gonna happen isnt it.
1 game to go to secure the title and bam, country wide lockdown.
3 months later spurs lift the trophy.
At the emirates lol.

shelfboy68 · Oct 9, 2020

slartibartfast said:
How Spursy would it be for us to win the fuckin league with no fans?
Its gonna happen isnt it.
1 game to go to secure the title and bam, country wide lockdown.
3 months later spurs lift the trophy.
At the emirates lol.

I can except winning the league anywhere under any condition.

Bulletspur · Oct 9, 2020

@Bobby__Lucky said:
In half a season we have gone from looking like we can't win a game to a record win at old Trafford.

I would go further and say that in half a season from looking like we can't win a game to title contenders

McFlash · Oct 9, 2020

McFlash said:
I honestly think that our club and Mourinho are perfect for each other at this moment in time.
I'm looking forward to it.

Said this on page one of the thread but I'll admit, it seems to be going better than even I would have expected.
This transfer window has just been a thing of beauty.

sausage · Oct 9, 2020

BringBack_leGin said:
I think a great manager ...takes a non top club to the top (Wenger, Klopp).

Bit of a weird take there. Liverpool have clearly been a 'top' club for a long time, and have consistently won trophies up until Klopp's appointment.
I'm not denying that Klopp is a good manager, but I'm confused as someone could claim Liverpool were a 'non-top club' prior to his arrival.

sausage · Oct 9, 2020

Bulletspur said:
I would go further and say that in half a season from looking like we can't win a game to title contenders

I would go further and say within 3 weeks

People were going absolutely wild after that first game and were ready to throw in the towel. As I said at the time, I think the lads needed that kick in the face.

rez9000 · Oct 9, 2020

sausage said:
I would go further and say within 3 weeks

People were going absolutely wild after that first game and were ready to throw in the towel. As I said at the time, I think the lads needed that kick in the face.

Yeah, for sure. Sometimes a setback can make things click. How many times has that happened to each of us? We struggle to grasp something different, keep failing at it until, all of a sudden, it all clicks into place and it becomes easy?

Bulletspur · Oct 9, 2020

shelfboy68 said:
Think your find in years to come that although levy was responsible for the stadium and infrastructure, it was Jose who changed the mentality and direction of the club and to think many didn't want him.

Guilty as charged ?

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