Jose Mourinho
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Who’s our next manager?
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Trouble with Frank is that he’s got a big mouth, big ego, big chequebook. He hasn’t got a big managerial talent as of yet.
Who’s our next manager?
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Jose has built a team. The team is what is important not a selection of superstar individuals. That’s how Notts Forest and Aston Villa won their European Cups.
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The ref was looking straight at it iirc.
peterballb
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Vision and implementation is what matters. Mourinho has that. The issue we have had for many years is that we have constantly bought square pegs to fit in to round holes, or bought round pegs for one manager which became square pegs for another. This was the huge failing of the purchases made from the Bale monies. Players purchased based on positional need without any real vision as to how each piece of the puzzle would fit together, if at all.
IMO, this is where the issue comes in between players and Mourinho. He has a vision. And he firmly believes in that vision and that it will result in success. So, when a player, like Pogba, comes in to the mix, Pogba's position, style of play etc, either fits in to the vision, or the player needs to change to adapt to what Mourinho wants. I never viewed the Pogba/Mourinho issue as being anything more than the player not doing what needs to be done based on the Manager's game plan. The same could be said of Ozil and Emery. Emery's system required players to press and track back. Ozil would not. Team was getting results with Ozil in the team not doing as he was asked. He then sat and results started to slip. Many Gunner fans wanted Emery to just accept Ozil was Ozil and let him do as he wanted.
So this always raises the question. Should Managers be more flexible? I would argue that players need to do as asked. Managers are hired and fired based on results. If the manager builds the team around a hard and fast press and one player just doesn't do it, the whole press falls apart and now players are out of position. That is not the Manager's fault. If the manager continues to select a player who just will not do what is being asked, that becomes the fault of the manager. If a certain player always takes corners and free kicks to little effect, that becomes the manager's fault.
The better managers have a style of play with a certain changing element based on the opposition of the day and the players at his disposal. Jose does change things up. He does work out from a solid, dependable defence with a quick counter-attack. When it looks dire, his teams absorb lots of pressure and show very little going forward. When his offensive players manage the ball and take their chances, his teams tend to score lots, even if it is not "exhilarating" football. What they do not do is concede lots of quality chances which means his teams are always in games.
Spurs fans need to support Mourinho and his vision even if it is not the beautiful, attacking, one-way football some insist upon. We need to win things. Under Poch (who is a top manager) and Harry (I'll not comment) there was a lot of exciting football played. What did it win us? Could we have done better under both? I would argue yes. Throwing away two/three competitions every year was not helpful. Jose is in all competitions to win all competitions (Jedi mind tricks of suggesting he can't compete because of the schedule aside). Stoke next in the Carabao cup and a group in EL where we should finish first suggests there is a path to trophies.
If the supporters give Mourinho the time, I believe he and Levy could be the match made in heaven we need.
IMO, this is where the issue comes in between players and Mourinho. He has a vision. And he firmly believes in that vision and that it will result in success. So, when a player, like Pogba, comes in to the mix, Pogba's position, style of play etc, either fits in to the vision, or the player needs to change to adapt to what Mourinho wants. I never viewed the Pogba/Mourinho issue as being anything more than the player not doing what needs to be done based on the Manager's game plan. The same could be said of Ozil and Emery. Emery's system required players to press and track back. Ozil would not. Team was getting results with Ozil in the team not doing as he was asked. He then sat and results started to slip. Many Gunner fans wanted Emery to just accept Ozil was Ozil and let him do as he wanted.
So this always raises the question. Should Managers be more flexible? I would argue that players need to do as asked. Managers are hired and fired based on results. If the manager builds the team around a hard and fast press and one player just doesn't do it, the whole press falls apart and now players are out of position. That is not the Manager's fault. If the manager continues to select a player who just will not do what is being asked, that becomes the fault of the manager. If a certain player always takes corners and free kicks to little effect, that becomes the manager's fault.
The better managers have a style of play with a certain changing element based on the opposition of the day and the players at his disposal. Jose does change things up. He does work out from a solid, dependable defence with a quick counter-attack. When it looks dire, his teams absorb lots of pressure and show very little going forward. When his offensive players manage the ball and take their chances, his teams tend to score lots, even if it is not "exhilarating" football. What they do not do is concede lots of quality chances which means his teams are always in games.
Spurs fans need to support Mourinho and his vision even if it is not the beautiful, attacking, one-way football some insist upon. We need to win things. Under Poch (who is a top manager) and Harry (I'll not comment) there was a lot of exciting football played. What did it win us? Could we have done better under both? I would argue yes. Throwing away two/three competitions every year was not helpful. Jose is in all competitions to win all competitions (Jedi mind tricks of suggesting he can't compete because of the schedule aside). Stoke next in the Carabao cup and a group in EL where we should finish first suggests there is a path to trophies.
If the supporters give Mourinho the time, I believe he and Levy could be the match made in heaven we need.
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I was told he was off before the England stuff came about anyway, I think the relationship had ran its course. Had some interesting information back then, a family member had been working for the club since the Venables era. He retired the same year as Redknapp left and sadly passed away not long after.
JamieSpursCommunityUser
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In fairness to Lampard, it probably comes across more salty in print than intended.
To put into context this is what he said after the game..
longtimespur
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Better change thread title too. ?
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All the players will now want to be in his team. They will know we can win trophies under him and that he knows what he’s doing. They will also know that there is incredible competition for places and that he will not stand for anyone not putting the team first. It feels like we’re on the cusp of a really strong era.
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All the credit in the world to José.
The performances since the second half against Southampton have been extremely good. And he's proving many wrong including myself right now, I hope it lasts.
I'm also salivating at the thought of bale in this side, hopefully soon!
The performances since the second half against Southampton have been extremely good. And he's proving many wrong including myself right now, I hope it lasts.
I'm also salivating at the thought of bale in this side, hopefully soon!
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Five against Southampton, should've been about five against Newcastle, seven in mid-week, six today... classic park the bus football from Jose Mourinho yet again.
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