Cavehillspur
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He thinks GLC may be a doubt for United game.
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There's a crazy amount of this on the go lately. Can we not expand our minds a bit more and see things with a bit more analysis?
I seriously can't imagine any of the players we've gone for being the type that Poch would have accepted, bar maybe Hojbjerg.
I get that some people still have Poch down as an unflawed god of sorts, but there's an unhealthy denial over the how/why these juxtapositions are there.
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Montalbano
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Concerning but I've still got a feeling both Gio and Sonny will still be involved.
Keeping United on their toes.
Why is this guy constantly injured?
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He also said, in response to Southgate asking Jose to manage Kane properly in April and May.... ‘I can promise him that I won’t play Harry for one minute in any friendly game we have’. Very amusing.
I’m not a fan of his general style of play but I feel much better about it after this week. We dominated Newcastle first half and Chelsea second half and for about an hour tonight. I’m hoping the Everton performance was a one off and with Bale to come in, alongside all the other new additions (and hopefully 2 more to come) I think we’ll kick on and challenge for cups and top 3.
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We could have defended better but we're also in the process of putting a new defence together with a new centre half being negotiated for and two new fullbacks. Given his record, to suggest he doesn't know how to defend is ridiculous.
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Isnt that why Ledley is in - defensive coach?
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Bearded twat!
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More like he had one significant injury but COVID and being an integral part of the team have forced us try and manage said injury.
C0YS
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I mean this is true, though I would say Reguilon seems to be as much of a Poch player as you can get.
But at the same time there are a lot of fans who seem unable to accept what an unbelievable job Poch actually did. No manager is flawless but what Poch did was not just 'good' but beyond 'anyone's realistic expectations' good and people still making sly digs at someone who isn't even at the club anymore is frankly disrespectful and reeks of entitlement.
Now this isn't really directed at you. I support the club, not the manager. I always want all our players to do well and all our managers to do well, and with the manager thing it's so childish at times. Like, the whole team Poch team Jose crap. The same shit goes on with players too. It's pretty representative of the world outside it too. Super short term, super emotional and, without, as you call for, analysis.
This lack of analysis though comes through a lot on this thread. I read complaints about playing long and directing hate towards the player when that's nothing to really do with the player. Or reading people blame Winks for playing deeper than PEH as if that's his decision. These are the results of tactical decisions or coaching practices, not players. Nothing to do with players unless they are willingly choosing to disobey or they haven't been coached properly so are 'making it up as they go along'. These are comments about management unfairly directed towards players.
Or on the other hand suggestions that Kane against Southampton, came deeper in the second half out of his own will to 'fix' Jose's long ball tactics is the same thing on the other end. Praising players for what are most certainly coaching decisions probably worked in the training ground weeks before.
Then again, some people here are talking about Jose as if he's proven himself here already, he hasn't, and there are still question marks. Having said that there are positive signs.
Games are less entertaining then under Poch, I would even argue under Poch at his most dysfunctional, though the latter is more likely because I actually enjoy watching positional play and find it absorbing, though not enjoyable, when watching it not work. Now we have a lot more game management, a lot more long balls, a lot more numbers game, and still a too big a gap between our defensive players and forward players for my liking. Apart from resulting in spending a little more time distracted and glancing on my phone does this really matter? No. Should we judge Jose Mourinho on what Poch did? Well no. He comes in in a very different situation and plays his own style.
Okay, you have some fans who insist that Jose, when he gets going, will actually play good fun positive football. Which I don't understand. While Mourinho teams have been entertaining in patches, they have never, and I'm including his counter attacking Real Madrid team here, been consistently good to watch and he is not a 'positive' manager. Which is absolutely fine, that's what he does and he used to be the best manager in the world doing exactly that.
Jose has to be judged on his results, not on his entertainment value, and I get that some fans will always be turned off by that. However, we will still have some entertainment coming from good players do good things, and Jose will not be here for ever, in fact I doubt he will even be here particularly long. But, I think there is legitimate reasons for people to find Jose to be a turn off, even if we do find success.
I would have liked to see Poch be given a few more games to turn it around, especially with Lo Celso gaining fitness and that I felt he deserved to be given the chance to turn it around, and w3 d5 l4 is bad but not so bad to really be in serious trouble. It's also worth pointing out that Mourinho himself went through a run of form that read w4 d4 l4 between December and July and the COVID break, in many ways, really saved our season. But mainly it's because football is really lacking patience. Imagine we sacked Nicholson in 1959 (and again in 1966 and 1970), Burkinshaw in 1977 or Terry Venables in 1988. Because were it the modern day they absolutely would have been sacked those seasons. All of them achieved a lot after those years. Ups and downs used to be accepted, and actually a natural process of management, now it's all instant gratification. OK that's the last time I'll compare the two managers.
I know it sounds like I'm having a go at Jose, I'm really not. I support him and accept his style. I can also enjoy defensive performances too, though normally of the more frantic even 'brave' kind (see peak atletico who play very aggressively that relies in having the absolute confidence that defenders will win headers from out wide and win key tackles). As soon as Poch left I actively wanted Jose to be the one to come in and saw him as the only logical choice. I fully support him and have strong hopes about what's to come. The thing is, he has to succeed, and he has to do that quickly. Because if he doesn't there is very little in the way of good will and attempt at entertainment or feelings that this is a project to get him through tough times. We will learn a lot about what is likely to happen in the next month or so.
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C0YS
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Mate, not just you, quite a lot of this on the thread.
It's an odd opinion, but he is completely entitled to it. Calling someone a twat or a tool for it, is pretty horrible stuff. Play the ball guys.
question for you as the stand out part for me, was you wanting to give Poch a few more games to turn things around...
we were aweful for almost 1.5 seasons. The season we got to the CL final, we lost something like 20 games.
that along with not being able to identify players needed within budget.
I loved it under Poch, but we achieved absolutely nothing, other than reaching a CL final and ended up exactly where we started when he left.
I loved Poch and he did a great job but his time was up, for whatever reason his heart had gone out of the job. My own two bob is he was too pally with his coaching staff, too many yes men, and certain senior players were bored or cruising.
Comparing him to Jose is pointless really, but the young lad on the video is typical of modern fans. He might change his mind after supporting Spurs as long as some of us have.
Comparing him to Jose is pointless really, but the young lad on the video is typical of modern fans. He might change his mind after supporting Spurs as long as some of us have.
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Considering what he said about having a new philosophy and from what I've observed, his football style is more balanced than cautious since he came. He is placing a lot more emphasis on the mentality of the players, mobility, a possessive and progressive midfield, aerial dominance (Sorry KWP), pressing, overloading of the final third and width.
Also, just as you've indicated, he is willing to make major adjustments to our game plan based on the opposition that we're facing. Kane did say in the vs Southampton post match interview that he and Sonny had been practicing their link-up play in training to exploit The Saints' defensive bad habits. It was a match that went according to plan in the second half. I don't think most have noticed how tactically astute José is.
From what I can see, José sees things for what they are and his decision-making on and off the pitch reflects that.
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Wasn't because of funds. It was because Poch wanted an incredibly short and difficult list, and nothing else would do. We tried to get everyone of Pochs players and managed to get 3.
Can't blame Levy if the others were well out of our reach or wanted to go to other clubs instead.
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