Jose Mourinho

Albertbarich · Jul 22, 2020

Metalhead said:
But that's it isn't it. People keep forgetting the middle ground - rather than slaughtering him for a bad result or lauding him for a good result, why don't people just see how it goes? I hope that Jose succeeds for the fact that it translates into success for the club but I don't know for sure if he will. I don't actively dislike the guy and I'm not a fanboy - I just want him to succeed so the club does well. It's the same with players - lauded one week, slaughtered the next - I get that everyone is a manager these days and can pick an XI but I'm pretty certain by now that it's not as easy as it looks.

People overact both ways.

I joined recently and have enjoyed it here and been overtly critical of him. If we win im not gonna come on and start ranting about him, I'd rather enjoy the win. I've also been more quiet as I've gone back to work but when we were doing badly the mood of this thread was hugely different so either its totally divided on here and people only post if they were correct and /or people are too quick to judge because of one win or one loss.

See my post above for my reasoning for not liking him.

Archibald&Crooks · Jul 22, 2020

Bobby TwoShots said:
No Spurs fan wants us to lose, ever.

You'd be surprised. I've seen more than one member say it over the years.

Japhet · Jul 22, 2020

BringBack_leGin said:
Completely agreed. But there are hundreds of posts wanting him gone, and given that even the thickest plank here knows that for him to go, he has to fail, and for him to fail, Spurs has to fail, you know where this leads....

I understand disliking him. I understand disliking the football. You can do both those things and still want him to succeed as if he succeeds, we succeed. No?

The thing is, it gets a bit silly when criticizing Mourinho is translated into wanting the team to fail. I think we've played some God awful football and been pretty lucky with the way our recent rivals have been ravaged by injuries. Our victories against Newcastle and Leicester were probably majorly influenced by them both being decimated at CB. Arsenal contrived to commit football hari kari. That's a big lump of luck that we were probably due but it all seems to have been pidgeon-holed in favour of extolling the brilliance of Mourinho. I'm pretty undecided on that albeit he's a lot more proactive than Poch ever was. I hope we continue to win games and be successful, in spite of what I think of Mourinho and where I think we could be when he's done. Once he was appointed, for me it was a case of suck it up and hope for the best. I'm sure some will say I'm not a true supporter but I can ignore them.

BringBack_leGin · Jul 22, 2020

Albertbarich said:
My first time at the lane was 86. Avb was bad but nowhere near as bad as that chelsea or leipzig away performances. They offended me.

If you're having to go back go Graham to defend the current manager we really do have problems. I remember being told he was a winner to accept the football and scum links at the time. Very similar situation.

Every football fan has at one point wanted a manager to get the sack. Im still down on the online fanbase for turning on Poch man who offered us some amazing things and ill forever be grateful too. Its not fair to suddenly spring that rule on Jose's detractors.

I personally wanted him sacked and am still unsure for numerous reasons.
The awful football.
The seemingly inevitable fallout when the chairmam doesnt get his targets.
The division he causes.
The media stupidity he brings.

Sure as long as you would say that to everyone who has ever wanted a spurs manager to get the boot

Not at all. Good post.

re Chelsea v Leipzig, in my humble opinion you’re taking one matche within the first couple of months of his tenure where he was still very much trying to reinvigorate a squad that had gone rotten before he arrived, and one match where he had a half fit Dele, an out of form Lucas, and no Kane or Son (our only currently reliable goalscorers) available not to mention not even Sissoko (who had been on form since Jose joined) for midfield.
Graham v Mourinho: totally different situations I feel, though of course it’s open to interpreratiom. Graham, aside from having managed our biggest (and only real) rivals, also filled our side with Leonhardsen, Freund, Sherwood, Perry, Thatcher, Sullivan, etc while consistently humiliating our one shining light due to a personal agenda. Right now we are playing counter attacking football. Back then we were playing no attacking football.
Yes, every fan at some point does want a manager gone. In fact, bar Hoddle, I’ve been in support of every managerial change Enic have made. The difference is that in each and every case the team was spiralling downwards and it wasn’t getting any better. Pochettino got more time than most (though Jol got sacked after a second successive awful start to the season, but in his first he turned it around enough to rescue fifth). The difference here is that we’re not spiralling downwards, we’re making clear tangible progress and that’s without having had a summer to really reshape and put his stamp down.
As for your reasons for wanting him sacked, the first is subjective but you’re entitled to feel that way, the second, third and fourth have not even happened.

Like I said, I take no issue with anyone dislike, despising or down right wanting to burn him at the stake. My only issue is with those who this early in the tenure are so unwilling to give him a chance. I don’t particularly like him or the football, but I can’t argue with his pedigree nor with our current upward trend. People are entitled to feel however they feel but I just can’t get into the mentality of wanting to do away with a manager this early in his tenure when he took a torrid situation, made more torrid by circumstances beyond his control, and actually looks like finishing the season strongly with momentum going into the next. Maybe it’s a minority and I’m being over the top, but if so then it’s a bloody loud minority.

BringBack_leGin · Jul 22, 2020

Japhet said:
The thing is, it gets a bit silly when criticizing Mourinho is translated into wanting the team to fail. I think we've played some God awful football and been pretty lucky with the way our recent rivals have been ravaged by injuries. Our victories against Newcastle and Leicester were probably majorly influenced by them both being decimated at CB. Arsenal contrived to commit football hari kari. That's a big lump of luck that we were probably due but it all seems to have been pidgeon-holed in favour of extolling the brilliance of Mourinho. I'm pretty undecided on that albeit he's a lot more proactive than Poch ever was. I hope we continue to win games and be successful, in spite of what I think of Mourinho and where I think we could be when he's done. Once he was appointed, for me it was a case of suck it up and hope for the best. I'm sure some will say I'm not a true supporter but I can ignore them.

Your view point on Mourinho is almost identical to mine based on this post. It’s 100% not you that I feel anyone is accusing of poor support.

Shadydan · Jul 22, 2020

I wanted Jose to come in, even though I was not a huge fan of his management style I knew it made more than sense to hire someone who has more trophies than the club's entire history and always thought that the next step for a club like ours is to win trophies in order to build a base for us to push on and for that reason if (when) we start winning silverware he's gonna be one of the most important managers in our history.

Couldn't (and still dont) actually give a shit what type of football he plays, I'll take 3 years of shithousing and for him to leave us in a mess as long as we can brag about winning cups.

John48 · Jul 22, 2020

As ever I really don't think you can judge a manager until he's completed at least a season & I've never favoured sacking managers without giving them a good go unless relegation is a real probability.

To really judge Jose though Danny really needs to strengthen the squad in the areas he wants & ideally with his 1st choice for those positions, probably pie in the sky when it comes to Levy.

SpursSince1980 · Jul 22, 2020

Weird. I cannot recall a Spurs manager in the past that garnered such polarizing opinions from the fans. It would seem that Jose is the human equivalent of marmite.

Saoirse · Jul 22, 2020

BringBack_leGin said:
Completely agreed. But there are hundreds of posts wanting him gone, and given that even the thickest plank here knows that for him to go, he has to fail, and for him to fail, Spurs has to fail, you know where this leads....

I understand disliking him. I understand disliking the football. You can do both those things and still want him to succeed as if he succeeds, we succeed. No?

People wanted him to go because they expected us to fail under him, not because they wanted us to fail. So far that hasn't happened - his form has been good enough for Top 4 but no trophies over a season, which is the minimum expectation for next year, and he still has the chance to get into the Europa. And 99% of us hope it won't happen, that he improves next year, gets Top 4 and a cup. But we'll have to wait and see how it goes.

Japhet · Jul 22, 2020

jeremystorey said:
Weird. I cannot recall a Spurs manager in the past that garnered such polarizing opinions from the fans. It would seem that Jose is the human equivalent of marmite.

But...but..............I like marmite!

Ionman34 · Jul 22, 2020

Everlasting Seconds said:
Give the guy the rest of the year without being so caught up in whether or not you like Mourinho. It matters to no one and shouldn't really matter to you at this stage.

Probably the most sensible post on here.

Mr Pink · Jul 22, 2020

I wanted him and although was very frustrated with the performances at SU and Bournemouth we're now shaping up to the way I expected.

I love the defensive solidity and springing quick counters. We've got the squad to play this way as well.

Something about scoring on the counter, its fun to watch.

Yes we see less ball but when we do get it we're making shit happen with the space on the counter.

Honestly all that possession last season and doing so little with it was ridiculously boring.

RikkiRocket · Jul 22, 2020

I believe the children are our are future
Teach them well and let them lead the way
Show them all the beauty they possess inside
Give them a sense of pride to make it easier
Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be
Everybody searching for a hero
People need someone to look up to
I never found anyone who fulfill my needs
A lonely place to be
And so I learned to depend on me

Ionman34 · Jul 22, 2020

jeremystorey said:
Weird. I cannot recall a Spurs manager in the past that garnered such polarizing opinions from the fans. It would seem that Jose is the human equivalent of marmite.

Can't be, I hate marmite but I like JM

BringBack_leGin · Jul 22, 2020

Saoirse said:
People wanted him to go because they expected us to fail under him, not because they wanted us to fail. So far that hasn't happened - his form has been good enough for Top 4 but no trophies over a season, which is the minimum expectation for next year, and he still has the chance to get into the Europa. And 99% of us hope it won't happen, that he improves next year, gets Top 4 and a cup. But we'll have to wait and see how it goes.

If they want him gone because they expect failure, based on nothing but a cv littered with success in every other role including his most recent, and a solid start (at worst) with us, then thank god they are only 1% (as you put it). Unfortunately that 1% is loud.

sausage · Jul 22, 2020

Bobby TwoShots said:
No Spurs fan wants us to lose, ever.

Depends on how you interpret that.

If you search for "rather lose", people regularly say things like "I'd rather lose than watch this tripe" or "I'd rather we lost playing good football than like this".

There's a bit of subjectivity involved, but it is clear the "winning at all costs" is not a popular mantra on this forum. That is, however, the Jose mantra, and that is - of course - why he is a winner and not a pretty loser.

(also, this didn't go down well at the time...)

CornerPinDreamer · Jul 22, 2020

BringBack_leGin said:
What super secret football did he promise?

Or are you hanging your hat on hercs itk that Mourinho has been inventing new tactics in his time out and not applying the necessary salt?

alas, no salt

John48 · Jul 22, 2020

jeremystorey said:
Weird. I cannot recall a Spurs manager in the past that garnered such polarizing opinions from the fans. It would seem that Jose is the human equivalent of marmite.

George Graham.

Japhet · Jul 22, 2020

Ionman34 said:
Can't be, I hate marmite but I like JM

We cancel each other out so the balance of the universe is restored.

Bobby TwoShots · Jul 22, 2020

sausage said:
Depends on how you interpret that.

If you search for "rather lose", people regularly say things like "I'd rather lose than watch this tripe" or "I'd rather we lost playing good football than like this".

There's a bit of subjectivity involved, but it is clear the "winning at all costs" is not a popular mantra on this forum. That is, however, the Jose mantra, and that is - of course - why he is a winner and not a pretty loser.

(also, this didn't go down well at the time...)

I get your point, but "I'd rather we lost playing good football" isn't the same as wanting us to lose or actively cheering for the oppo, it's more expressing a desire to see a different style of football.

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