Jose Mourinho

[spursfan77]

I didn't want Mourinho. I don't like him, or his style of football.

However, I thought about it, and he is a serial trophy winner and has won wherever he has gone. He knows how to win shit, and we, as a club, are in a situation where beggars can't be choosers when it comes to winning trophies, so I feel we need to accept it regardless of the way we play.

He doesn't tend to last longer than three years at a club, but in that time if we can win us a couple trophies and instill a winning mentality into the club and the players then I'm all for it.

But hey, that's just my opinion.

Three years at a club must be above the average for a manager now?

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Almost 800 pages of the same story about whether we are JM in or JM out. A real fan or a fake fan. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion even if it is based on complete horse shit. So let's move along now.

Let's focus on the job he is doing for us, which is a pretty damn good one given the circumstances. Given enough time and some decent recruitment in a few key areas and I can see this team really pushing next season for a trophy.

 

[Japhet]

Three years at a club must be above the average for a manager now?

It is, but Watford have contributed massively to that stat.

 

[Essex Spur]

I once stood in this darkest of all places for a footie fan . It was the Graham/Sugar era , terrible times..

Only one ever was when if we beat UTD arsenal would win the league, never seen an away crowd be so quiet when Sir Les scored first, even he didnt know what to do with himself

 

[mark87]

Three years at a club must be above the average for a manager now?

I wouldn't know the average for a manager but I wouldn't be shocked if it was around three years.

 

[C0YS]

Some interesting comments on both sides.

With the style of play thing, I can kind of sympathise. I was of that mind five years ago, but then I realised I really enjoyed watching Atletico Madrid take on a beating game after game, yet come out on top, and I started to see something exciting and interesting about it. Mind Jose is defensive in a much more boring way.

The Tottenham way 'push and run' is an interesting one too. Because for some it's synonymous with attacking play, but really what it actually means is pass the ball on the ground and then make a move. Essentially, we were pushing for a more continental (hungarian) passing game in the league over long ball football, it's not necessarily about 'attacking'. Everyone plays 'push and run' but I guess there is heritage on having a team that plays from the back, plays it on the ground with quick movement and interplay. Which Poch at his best was, same as Redknapp largely, but apart from that it's been a mixed bag.

On Jose, I actually have warmed to him personally quite a lot and this has been a process that's taken years. He plays games, is entertaining and 'dickish' at points but it's, by in large, an act. Management wise he isn't particularly my cup of tea, but think he is a very good manager, and my belief is that if we were to get rid of Poch (I'd have backed him) then he was the only option that made any sense. He will be here a few seasons and then go, unless he is super successful and changes our identity. But, then, that would be quite a nice identity to have (plucky, not financially doped club, winning by outsmarting and outfighting the opposition) so I'm in for the ride, without being enthusiastic about him.

The thing is on this forum I tend to try and argue against, what I feel, is unjust criticism. However, I also tend to argue against those who insist that Jose's football isn't defensive/it will get more attacking/he scores goals so it has to be offensive football! Because, it's clearly not true, Mourinho is known internationally as being one of the finest defensive managers on the planet, but defensive does not always mean boring, and for that matter attacking doesn't always mean exciting.

Anyway, I can understand why people are apprehensive, but I invite you to join me in leaning gently onto the backseat and just enjoy the ride.

 

[enfieldyid]

Personally I do not like Mourinho, but I believe he will be here for two years. So I am now giving him two seasons to win these trophies.

 

[wrd]

Personally I do not like Mourinho, but I believe he will be here for two years. So I am now giving him two seasons to win these trophies.

How gracious your majesty, I shall inform the towns folk

 

[enfieldyid]

How gracious your majesty, I shall inform the towns folk

Sorry I meant to say that he won't be at us after two seasons. He will either be back at Madrid or Fired

 

[Dougal]

Personally, I don’t like Mourinho. But I don’t take this into the ground on Matchday, when we eventually get back that is. Instead I channel it into my forthcoming South Park spin-off ‘Park Lane’.

Spoiler

 

[brasil_spur]

This is ridiculous. People can not like Mourinho and all the baggage he brings, it is there own free will. It does not make them any less of a Spurs fan.

I think anyone who's not willing to give a new manager a chance is very much on the borderline of being a proper fan. Yes Mourinho isn't everyone's cup of tea, that's fine, but as a fan you should get behind him until given a strong reason not to.

So far Mourinho has delivered results that effectively have us in the top 4, in a season where Liverpool were so far ahead of the pack that the table positions only really starting counting from 2nd place down. He's done this with a lot of injury issues and having inherited a squad part way through a season that has been impacted by largely woeful activity in the transfer market for the last 2-3 years.

Yes Mourinho has baggage, but he also has a winning pedigree as good as any manager there is and so far he has done nothing to warrant a proper lack of faith in him. So I would definitely question how much of a fan someone is if they don't give Mourinho a chance as they are effectively not giving the club and the team a chance to show us what they can do. You can still not like him, but he needs to be backed and given a chance IMO.

 

[Bobby TwoShots]

It does when they want us to lose thinking it will get him out.

Which it won't.

No Spurs fan wants us to lose, ever.

 

[spursfan77]

I think anyone who's not willing to give a new manager a chance is very much on the borderline of being a proper fan. Yes Mourinho isn't everyone's cup of tea, that's fine, but as a fan you should get behind him until given a strong reason not to.

So far Mourinho has delivered results that effectively have us in the top 4, in a season where Liverpool were so far ahead of the pack that the table positions only really starting counting from 2nd place down. He's done this with a lot of injury issues and having inherited a squad part way through a season that has been impacted by largely woeful activity in the transfer market for the last 2-3 years.

Yes Mourinho has baggage, but he also has a winning pedigree as good as any manager there is and so far he has done nothing to warrant a proper lack of faith in him. So I would definitely question how much of a fan someone is if they don't give Mourinho a chance as they are effectively not giving the club and the team a chance to show us what they can do. You can still not like him, but he needs to be backed and given a chance IMO.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with questioning a new manager and their approach. But there is a way of doing it. Just because you don't like them and basing your thoughts on that like a few people do is fucking pathetic. Basing it on our results and taking them into context (for example, injuries to all our attackers) is the way to do it after 7/8 months in the job. Should a new manager come in during the same time period, results be up and down and the team finish tenth in the league (with a fit squad for that time) then I think there is room for serious questioning whether the guy is up to it.

 

[mattdefoe]

No Spurs fan wants us to lose, ever.

When I felt we had just about done enough to secure 4th last season I actually wanted us to lose away at city in the league . We had just knocked them out of the CL and I really didn’t want Liverpool to win the league at that moment

I feel awful about it

 

[BringBack_leGin]

No Spurs fan wants us to lose, ever.

This entire thread suggests otherwise.

 

[Bobby TwoShots]

This entire thread suggests otherwise.

Disliking Mourinho and wanting us to lose aren't the same thing

 

[Japhet]

Disliking Mourinho and wanting us to lose aren't the same thing

Can say it as many times as you like mate but it's still regularly trotted out as some kind of fact. I dislike Mourinho and always have. I also want Spurs to be successful and always have. Maybe this will cause some kind of tear in the space/time continuum (in which case I apologise).

 

[dontcallme]

I was on the fence about Poch’s hiring believing he had good qualities and was a good fit for us but he lacked some experience.

I haven’t always liked Jose but I believed he was a good fit for us and his experience was required but I am aware it might not work out.

I had a German Shepard as a pet.

Am I a real fan?

 

[Albertbarich]

You clearly haven’t been a fan that long if this is the most defensive football you’ve seen at Spurs. It was much more defensive under AVB for instance, and George Graham obviously.

My first time at the lane was 86. Avb was bad but nowhere near as bad as that chelsea or leipzig away performances. They offended me.

If you're having to go back go Graham to defend the current manager we really do have problems. I remember being told he was a winner to accept the football and scum links at the time. Very similar situation.

Also, what people are taking exception with isn’t that people don’t like Mourinho, it’s that they actively want him to fail. There are a great many posters who are explicitly that they want him to get sacked. If you want Mourinho to get sacked, that only happens if Spurs perform poorly, fail to succeed, and lose a tonne of matches. Mourinho out is inextricably linked to Spurs doing badly, they can’t be separated in terms of his performance at the club. So those of us who have been undyimgly loyal through really shit times, and even more so those who were loyal through relegation and the likes, are likely going to be irked by fair-weathers who are wishing for something which can only be achieved by the club’s continued failure.

Every football fan has at one point wanted a manager to get the sack. Im still down on the online fanbase for turning on Poch man who offered us some amazing things and ill forever be grateful too. Its not fair to suddenly spring that rule on Jose's detractors.

I personally wanted him sacked and am still unsure for numerous reasons.
The awful football.
The seemingly inevitable fallout when the chairmam doesnt get his targets.
The division he causes.
The media stupidity he brings.

Dislike him all you want. He can be very dislikeable. Say you hate the football, that’s your right. But don’t pretend to be a die hard loyal Spurs fan if you wish failure on him, and by proxy, the club.

Sure as long as you would say that to everyone who has ever wanted a spurs manager to get the boot

I’m not sure if this is you by the way as I’ve not paid enough attention and you’re a seemingly recently joined poster, so please take my point as general rather than targeting you.

Not at all. Good post.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Disliking Mourinho and wanting us to lose aren't the same thing

Completely agreed. But there are hundreds of posts wanting him gone, and given that even the thickest plank here knows that for him to go, he has to fail, and for him to fail, Spurs has to fail, you know where this leads....

I understand disliking him. I understand disliking the football. You can do both those things and still want him to succeed as if he succeeds, we succeed. No?