Jose Mourinho

doctor stefan Freud · Jul 10, 2020

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
Maybe the two are linked...??‍

Yes, but in ways they shouldn’t be

Grey Fox · Jul 10, 2020

There are discussions going on about the 7 or 8 teams that qualify for Europe won't have to play in the league cup next season, so it makes sense now JM has a plan, don't qualify for Europe and win the league cup. Trophy won job done ?

daryl hannah · Jul 10, 2020

ILS said:
So according to today's press conference. We have fantastic forwards and could not find any better in the current market...?

I've totally changed my opinion of him on that one statement - #OUT

We are crying out for fresh blood in attack.

fortworthspur · Jul 10, 2020

Gilzeanking said:
I'm amazed at the way people are rating Bergwijn these days . I don't understand on what basis other than the goal vs Utd ,this is happening . Good squad player , yes but...

he's 22 and been in the prem a few months. give him some time. he's looked lively and has 3 goals in 12 games.

Deleted member 27995 · Jul 10, 2020

fortworthspur said:
he's 22 and been in the prem a few months. give him some time. he's looked lively and has 3 goals in 12 games.

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fortworthspur · Jul 10, 2020

NEVILLEB said:
The problem is the midfield and more specifically the lack of a defensive midfielder who can link the play.

Put Dembele back in this team and half the problems go away. Put back Eriksen and we are good again.

NDombele and LoCelso are supposed to fix that problem.

For the love of Spurs · Jul 10, 2020

I think as fans we got our expectations wrong. Poch did such a huge job with limited resources that we had come to expect not just good football but also good results and top 4, something that given our size is an amazing achievement particularly over 3-4 straight years.

When the wheels came off due to burn out of the squad and probably Poch himself rather than look at it as years of over achievement we looked at it as where we should be by right and anything less as a disaster. Anyone supporting the club longer than the reign of Poch and Harry for that matter should realise that we haven't been the big club except for a very short period many many decades ago and that while we don’t demand success we do demand entertainment.

For me fun and Spurs go hand in hand, it’s why the reign of Graham, AVB and now it looks like Mourinho are such dark chapters. If you can’t entertain you shouldn’t be managing Spurs. Levy has been here a long time, he should know that and know the way it is going to go now.

It’s one thing to manage Chelsea, Burnley or Stoke, quite another to manage a club with attacking traditions.

felmani26 · Jul 10, 2020

fortworthspur said:
Jose's idea of a rebuild is to spend 100 million in 3 straight transfer windows. Thats never going to happen at Spurs.

No, but then Jose alluded to the fact things would be different here from the get go in terms of funds available so I don't necessarily think that's a fair point to be made here.

Without a full summer transfer window it's difficult to assess whether this will pan out to be true or not but got to take it from face value that Jose has come into this with his eyes open in what Levy will ultimately provide him with.

Goobers · Jul 10, 2020

It's very difficult to assess tis situation objectively. He inherited a car crash in an unprecedented time here the club he signed for would lose a shit load of revenue and ability to purchase talent.
He has connections and I think can exploit the long term loan market and possibly identify a proper director of football or deal broker.
But the above are Ifs. Big Ifs.
I will go back to the mismanagement and lack of care of this squad over the course of a 2 and 1/2 year period - which given the position we were in was unforgivable.

Grapo2001 · Jul 10, 2020

NEVILLEB said:
The problem is the midfield and more specifically the lack of a defensive midfielder who can link the play.

Put Dembele back in this team and half the problems go away. Put back Eriksen and we are good again.

Jesus, how many people forget Dembele was broken by the end? He couldn't last a half.

fortworthspur · Jul 10, 2020

felmani26 said:
No, but then Jose alluded to the fact things would be different here from the get go in terms of funds available so I don't necessarily think that's a fair point to be made here.

Without a full summer transfer window it's difficult to assess whether this will pan out to be true or not but got to take it from face value that Jose has come into this with his eyes open in what Levy will ultimately provide him with.

yeah he said that but other than Porto he's never done more with less before, and that was almost 20 years ago. its just not his MO.

dtxspurs · Jul 10, 2020

fortworthspur said:
NDombele and LoCelso are supposed to fix that problem.

Ndombele & Lo Celso would fix that problem.

By my count they've only started 4 games together all season... Red Star away, Sheffield at home, Norwich away, Chelsea away.

fortworthspur · Jul 10, 2020

dtxspurs said:
Ndombele & Lo Celso would fix that problem.

By my count they've only started 4 games together all season... Red Star away, Sheffield at home, Norwich away, Chelsea away.

well LoCelso wasnt fit for most of the fall and NDombele has struggled to adapt. Im still hopeful he'll come good.

VancouverSpur · Jul 10, 2020

fortworthspur said:
well LoCelso wasnt fit for most of the fall and NDombele has struggled to adapt. Im still hopeful he'll come good.

I am also hopeful he will come good...not every young player comes in and sets the world on fire first season. Can be hard to adapt, settle and handle being club record signing. NDombele is quality and I still have high hopes for him unless Jose bins him of course which I would not put past him.

Norgie · Jul 10, 2020

Grey Fox said:
There are discussions going on about the 7 or 8 teams that qualify for Europe won't have to play in the league cup next season, so it makes sense now JM has a plan, don't qualify for Europe and win the league cup. Trophy won job done ?

Colchester et al may disagree

Metalhead · Jul 10, 2020

Timberwolf said:
"The players arent good enough" argument is just bollocks.

Yes we have weaknesses, but Son Heung Min is probably one of the most coveted wide forwards in world football, Harry Kane has over 130 league goals, Dele Alli has 50+, Lamela and Lo Celso are Argentina internationals, Bergwijn is an exciting, talented, pacey young player, and Ndombele was seen as a massive coup when we signed him. Toby is also by no means done at this level and has been one of the best CBs in the league over the past few years, and on his day Lloris is still an excellent keeper (see yesterday).

Even most the players that we slag off are solid mid-table players at worst. There's definitely a lot of mediocrity in the squad, especially in the back 5 + Sissoko, but someone like Lucas would be the best player at most bottom half clubs, and Sanchez, Davies, Dier, Aurier, while clearly not top top players are by no means utter dross. Even our fringe players like Sessegnon, Skipp, Gedson, have bags of potential if used correctly.

We should be doing SO much better than we are. We're a mile off the best teams in the league, but some of you seem to be drinking the Mourinho Kool Aid and seem convinced that our entire squad is trash.

It just isn't.

And yet Jose isn’t the one saying that the squad are crap. All he has said thus far is that he would like to do business in the market but he fully understands the situation.

emiley heskey · Jul 10, 2020

Timberwolf said:
And even when he's done that his clubs have imploded after 2 and a bit seasons. What hope do we have?

Both chelsea and real madrid won multiple trophies after jose left ....

WiganSpur · Jul 10, 2020

Timberwolf said:
"The players arent good enough" argument is just bollocks.

Yes we have weaknesses, but Son Heung Min is probably one of the most coveted wide forwards in world football, Harry Kane has over 130 league goals, Dele Alli has 50+, Lamela and Lo Celso are Argentina internationals, Bergwijn is an exciting, talented, pacey young player, and Ndombele was seen as a massive coup when we signed him. Toby is also by no means done at this level and has been one of the best CBs in the league over the past few years, and on his day Lloris is still an excellent keeper (see yesterday).

Even most the players that we slag off are solid mid-table players at worst. There's definitely a lot of mediocrity in the squad, especially in the back 5 + Sissoko, but someone like Lucas would be the best player at most bottom half clubs, and Sanchez, Davies, Dier, Aurier, while clearly not top top players are by no means utter dross. Even our fringe players like Sessegnon, Skipp, Gedson, have bags of potential if used correctly.

We should be doing SO much better than we are. We're a mile off the best teams in the league, but some of you seem to be drinking the Mourinho Kool Aid and seem convinced that our entire squad is trash.

It just isn't.

The strange thing is most of our good players are at the top end of the pitch, so you'd think we'd be banging them in and shipping just as many at the other end. But it's the opposite.

As i've been saying it's true that we've got glaring weaknesses primarily from CM backwards, but these are not mid table players. On balance, our squad should be finishing at least 6th imo.

I think there is also that possibility that this is just a mental issue now, meaning a new coach wouldn't be able to get the best out of them either. It might just be that most of them are exhausted at Spurs and just want a change of scenery.

Regardless, there's no excuse for last night with the attacking talent at Mourinho's disposal. If you are excusing it then you're simply deluded. I don't even care if you say it's a work in progress, not to have a single shot on target against a prospective Championship team is nothing short of an embarrassment.

Timberwolf · Jul 10, 2020

WiganSpur said:
The strange thing is most of our good players are at the top end of the pitch, so you'd think we'd be banging them in and shipping just as many at the other end. But it's the opposite.

As i've been saying it's true that we've got glaring weaknesses primarily from CM backwards, but these are not mid table players. On balance, our squad should be finishing at least 6th imo.

I think there is also that possibility that this is just a mental issue now, meaning a new coach wouldn't be able to get the best out of them either. It might just be that most of them are exhausted at Spurs and just want a change of scenery.

Regardless, there's no excuse for last night with the attacking talent at Mourinho's disposal. If you are excusing it then you're simply deluded. I don't even care if you say it's a work in progress, not to have a single shot on target against a prospective Championship team is nothing short of an embarrassment.

I've said this exact thing in other threads. Par for this squad should be around 5th or 6th in the league, and then with a couple of choice additions we could be pushing for the CL places.

The idea that our natural level is languishing in mid table with So'ton, Burnley and Palace with the players at our disposal is just nonsense.

NEVILLEB · Jul 10, 2020

Grapo2001 said:
Jesus, how many people forget Dembele was broken by the end? He couldn't last a half.

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