Poll: Time for Poch or Time up for Poch? How Much More Time Should He Get?

[VegasII]

Depends on Levy to be honest.

If Poch's being backed regardless and the ITK about upsetting players is correct then what we're seeing now is the club trying to work through it's problems on/off the pitch at the same time.

If Poch isn't being backed regardless and results and performances continue to spiral then he'll be out before Christmas. Our chairman isn't nicknamed Teflon for no good reason.

We looked OK at the start of the season so why has everything started to go very wrong? In the Hull match thread everyone's picking virtually the same XI. It's a decent enough XI, too. One that is balanced (or as much as we can with our squad) and without any crap. But will Poch?

I guess we'll have more of idea by the end of November.

 

[Reclamation Project]

There is a problem in keeping the faith, because in my opinion he does not have a great body of work to point towards. This was a risky appointment in the first place.

 

[sunnydelight786]

End of this season if we see no improvement at all, which has so far been the case. If the likes of Martinez, Koeman & Pullis, to name but a few, can go in and make a huge change in their first season, is it too much to ask for even a hint of improvement....?

 

[Dougal]

He should see out his contract. If we're so bloody experimental with our choices of managers at Spurs how about trying a long term one. Can't believe I've been saying this for 7 years now.

 

[JonnySpurs]

It was always gonna get worse before it got better and it probably still will.

I've gathered up my supplies and I'm sitting in for the long haul.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not enjoying our current situation but I have faith that Pochettino knows what he's doing and if we need to clear out the majority of our current squad to get ourselves back to where we need to be then so be it.

 

[mpickard2087]

I'll say end of next season, barring relegation fight. I think that is fair. By that time we should be seeing progress in the second half of this season and then next year look a cohesive unit with a good platform to go beyond the two years...

He's pissing me off a bit at the moment with his tactics though, if we keep going into games lined up like this for the rest of the season I will have real worries... I guess we have to wait to see what happens when players are back from injury and the January transfer window though.

 

[Montasura]

I think any manager should at least get 3 or 4 transfer windows (barring the obligatory relegation fight clause) to shape the team they way they want.

IMO there's far too much focus on Poch at the moment, although at least Levy is getting some print columns now as well. Our current problems are not the sole reposibility of one person. Yes Poch has made some questionable teamsheet decisions (as did those who came before him), but Levy must share a lot of the blame, and those who are on the pitch kicking the ball around simply cannot be absolved of any blame.

 

[Mr Pink]

I also voted until end of next season barring a relegation fight.

If relegation ever becomes a distinct possibility I think his position should/would rightly be at risk.

Ultimately keeping him though will focus Levy on what the real problems are internally. Hiring and firing managers ignores the real problems time and time again.

 

[CheeseGromit]

I just don't know. But I would say that about any manager not just Poch

It should be based on some discernible objectives through the next couple of years

I am against the current level of criticism and Think he needs some time and some players who can do what he wants but I don't have blind faith He has to prove his worth

I would expect him to get a couple of seasons based on the above as the club seems in disarray If that''s a legacy how long has it been so. Perhaps why some players have gone and why some need to move on. Players are of a type and lots find it hard to do different things if ever the patern and style need to run through the club and the manager has to dictate that. It's a big job. Can Poch do it. Time will tell

 

[Flashspur]

Look I wanted Poch and I have to say I am disappointed the way things have turned out. I expected a lot more. I'd love to say end of next season but there is a worrying trend currently where the team seems to be putting in appearences and nothin else. Motivation seems low and it looks poor out on the pitch with the defense in shambles. The structure of the side looks awful and youhave to lay some of the blame on the coaching. It cant all be the players not turning up. There is no energy or drive and players seem to want to hide. Christmas for me if this continues.

 

[SteveH]

I also voted until end of next season barring a relegation fight.

If relegation ever becomes a distinct possibility I think his position should/would rightly be at risk.

Ultimately keeping him though will focus Levy on what the real problems are internally. Hiring and firing managers ignores the real problems time and time again.

Ive gone the same as you. I have never been as convinced as your good self with Poch but now he's here he needs time.
You are paying for the tranquillisers. It could well be a very bumpy ride.

Levy would I believed have spelt out in no uncertain terms what backing he will get. All this cobblers about Levy breaking promises "and not backing the manager" is just fan paranoier and is bloody silly as it would counterproductive for Levy,

 

[Mr Pink]

Look I wanted Poch and I have to say I am disappointed the way things have turned out. I expected a lot more. I'd love to say end of next season but there is a worrying trend currently where the team seems to be putting in appearences and nothin else. Motivation seems low and it looks poor out on the pitch with the defense in shambles. The structure of the side looks awful and youhave to lay some of the blame on the coaching. It cant all be the players not turning up. There is no energy or drive and players seem to want to hide. Christmas for me if this continues.

I was a massive advocate for Pochettino as well, and I'm disappointed to but I still think he should be given until the end of next season.

At least we've had some soundbites from him about needing time to change the mentality and some of his post match comments have reflected his disappointment as well.

I think its only fair that he gets a real chance to change some things and shape the squad to his liking. I always felt this season was going to be one big assessment in terms of how we intend to build for the future - but I still expected us to be in and around the top 6. We still could be as many of our competitors are struggling as well, but it requires sharp improvement.

He's definitely made some strange decisions though. At the time I was very surprised he made Kaboul captain. I've been surprised with the way he's handled Vertonghen to. These are issues I certainly never anticipated.

At the end of the day though, I think it forces Levy to change things in house, and that's more important than managerial changes. The new incumbent will have the same obstacles and working conditions to overcome if things remain the same. What's the point? Its clear to me that the present structure is more the problem than the managers we're picking.

 

[SteveH]

Look I wanted Poch and I have to say I am disappointed the way things have turned out. I expected a lot more. I'd love to say end of next season but there is a worrying trend currently where the team seems to be putting in appearences and nothin else. Motivation seems low and it looks poor out on the pitch with the defense in shambles. The structure of the side looks awful and youhave to lay some of the blame on the coaching. It cant all be the players not turning up. There is no energy or drive and players seem to want to hide. Christmas for me if this continues.

This was me on Monday and will probabably be me again next Monday week after the hull game.

Mercurial me?

 

[cracker man]

Levy is to blame, he is the guy who hires the managers, and then sacks them as he has the patience of a 3 year old. I'm sure given time some of our recent managers would have eventually come good. I feel the same with Poch, given time and backing to build his own squad and not having to work with just Levy bargains then we'll see what he is all about. Most of the managers he has hired were known to have an attacking style. I think it's a case that whenwthey come here they are trying to fit round pegs in square holes.

 

[SpurSince57]

It was always gonna get worse before it got better and it probably still will.

I've gathered up my supplies and I'm sitting in for the long haul.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not enjoying our current situation but I have faith that Pochettino knows what he's doing and if we need to clear out the majority of our current squad to get ourselves back to where we need to be then so be it.

Was it? According to whom? For about the bazillionth time, a lot of people, Lloris included, thought we'd under-achieved last season. Now the squad's not good enough and needs clearing out?

Do me a favour. The problem is that Levy—unbelievably—has bought the bullshit yet again and given the job to a bloke whose managerial CV amounts to two-fifths of fuck all, on the grounds that he possesses a 'footballing philosophy'. (Alternatively, the Dear Leader may have decided that if Tim could get 69 points with this squad, any bugger could do better.)

I don't see my preferred option, which is that we see how things pan out over the next nine games. If we get 18 points on the board, he gets the rest of the season. 12 might do it, depending on whether there's been a discernible improvement on the pitch.

 

[dagraham]

He needs two seasons imo, unless we're in a relegation fight (which isn't going to happen).

I didn't agree with his appointment for several reasons, but changing management will see another revolving door of players and make us even more of a laughing stock than we are already.

 

[SpurSince57]

He needs two seasons imo, unless we're in a relegation fight (which isn't going to happen).

I didn't agree with his appointment for several reasons, but changing management will see another revolving door of players and make us even more of a laughing stock than we are already.

According to some on here, we're going to have a massive clear-out if he stays, so what's the difference?

 

[dagraham]

According to some on here, we're going to have a massive clear-out if he stays, so what's the difference?

Yeah, it's a fair point. tbh things never change much at Spurs whatever happens.

I'm just working on the assumption that our transfer business (both in and out) was done at Pochettino's behest (even though that's more in hope than expectation).

A new manager comes in and all of a sudden our summer signings are lined to be shipped out already.

I just think we need some semblance of stability, no matter how shit it is (barring relegation battle obviously).

 

[SpursManChris]

Barring relegation at least until June 2017

I'm sure you're not being serious, but I never know sometimes.

 

[SpursManChris]

To those who have voted "End of next season" I pose to you this question: So you'd be happy if we finished 17th this season and next? Where do you draw the line?