Match Threads West Ham vs Spurs

[DenverSpur]

Draw was fair result. It does feel like we are very very vulnerable on set pieces

We’re vulnerable because we don’t mark players. Their goal: 6 white shirts in the six yard box marking zones/space/grass(??); 2 WH players goal side of them completely unmarked, one blocking the GK, the other, zuma, all the time and space in the world to score. The same scenario was repeated at every corner. A couple of time Soucek joined in the fun.
I’m sorry but that’s not defending. That’s amateur hour. Modern coaches and modern players do not know how to defend.

 

[DenverSpur]

Still can’t believe Maddison didn’t get a free kick for getting charged into. Ref literally 3 yards away from it as well. absolutely baffling

The biggest surprise was given our luck with referee decisions is that Antonio didn’t score from the subsequent breakaway!

 

[spurmin]

We’re vulnerable because we don’t mark players. Their goal: 6 white shirts in the six yard box marking zones/space/grass(??); 2 WH players goal side of them completely unmarked, one blocking the GK, the other, zuma, all the time and space in the world to score. The same scenario was repeated at every corner. A couple of time Soucek joined in the fun.
I’m sorry but that’s not defending. That’s amateur hour. Modern coaches and modern players do not know how to defend.

They had nine corners we defended. The one they scored from came of Zouma,s back.
All teams concede from corners at some point whether it’s man on man marking or marking space.
It's just football.

 

[spurs mental]

The biggest surprise was given our luck with referee decisions is that Antonio didn’t score from the subsequent breakaway!

Surely VAR would have gone back to that foul if he had scored and awarded a free kick and cancelled the goal out.

 

[1882andallthat]

Whilst a draw was not a terrible result I was disappointed with our end product. West Ham were content to let us play the neat but non threatening walking football just outside the centre circle because we were far to predictable in trying to walk the ball in the net with attemp after attempt at eye of the needle passes into congested areas that never came off after we scored. We need to mix it up a bit more and have a pop at goal every now and again to make them think to break our predictable cycle.

For all our possession it was they who looked far more likely to score with their basic more decisive counter attacks.

I thought that we didn't make the best of injecting more pace, we made five substitutions and they made none because Moyes didn't trust his back ups so we should have taken more advantage of their tiring legs but playing walking predictable football was never going to tire or trouble them and our players lacked the in game intelligence to realise that on the night. Ange was right it was like video football to the extent that we literally walked it stop start but had a near complete blunt edge after scoring because we were far too predictable and lack accuracy in the final third with far to many wayward final balls.

 

[rjm14]

People need to give thier heads a wobble in here, the amount of whingeing is frankly embarrassing. This time last year we were all disconnected with our club and not even looking forward to watching us play. Ange has been here for 6 months! The patterns and style of play is there, of course we are maybe 1/2 forward players off where we want to be but as I said he's been here 6 months. 3-4 good signings in the summer and I am personally very excited about what we could do next season.

 

[leffe186]

Spurs fans: 'It's a process, we must give Ange time. Same thing happened at Celtic etc, it will get better, we all agree on this!'
Also Spurs fans: Getting their panties all caught up and twisted. 'What's going on with our team! This is like Conte ball.... etc'

Just hoping it’s different ones.

People thinking this is just like under Conte are insane.

 

[the_cockerel_crows]

A sit on the fence answer as I expected. We scraped past Luton (at home) and drew today. Both games we should be winning comfortably. I expect better given what we're chasing and the quality of our squad which by the way is better than West Ham and Luton. it's really down to what level you think we're at I suppose.

If we play our so-called fast forwards we should give them the chance to show their speed. We must get the ball to them much quicker.
Otherwise we spend most of the match passing sideways and backwards in front of an organized defence. We are soooo slow at times.... Romero deliberately.... when we gain possession after their attacks or corners we must move faster. Just look at the number of goals we do score on the counter attack. Surely the trainer must realize this obvious fact.

 

[muppetman]

I think it's fair to be concerned that for all our possession, we didn't create a huge number of chances and it's not like Fabianski played a blinder. West Ham set up to frustrate and it worked, there is a reason that teams still park the bus.

For me, I wanted to see progression this season and the seeds of improving and I think we have that so I'm reasonably content overall (obviously not with failing to beat the eel munchers though!)

 

[easley91]

Ah several overreactions to a draw. Never change some of you. Never change.

If you cannot see the difference from last season under Conte and this season under Ange I don't think football is your sport. Under Conte we relinquished possession more and sat back trying to counter. Under Ange, although our best chances come from the counter, we also control the ball trying to find the right pass at the end. My only gripe with this is nobody is willing to just shoot. Although a couple did and they were blocked by defenders. Bottom line is even in defeats or frustrating draws I can see the plan and how we want to play. That's what was important more than anything this season.

We had the possession last night, played some very good stuff until the final third and then it fell flat because either the ball was poor or the players weren't making the runs (Werner in particular).

We conceded a sloppy goal from a corner, something which we were pretty decent at defending in the first half of the season. I'm sure there was a stat where we hadn't conceded from one in a while. Then Everton stuck men on Vicario and it changed. That needs working on.

Antonio had that chance which he really should have buried after Maddison was blatantly fouled. Aside from that and maybe Bowen very early in the game, I can't see we were in trouble or worried really. This was their "cup final" and I expected better from them. It was a missed opportunity to win, but after our last away game at Fulham that was much improved.

Johnson getting another goal involvement. Not bad for a young player that.

 

[Thenewcat]

really? bollocks like those criticising kulu who had 15 mins vs madders who has stunk up every game since he returned from injury but is getting picked cos he's Ange's player of choice? What's the point of a bench or wanting depth if they get 5 mins to change the game? Why hasn't he lit a rocket up timo's ass for his lazy play since the assist? Or made a change? I think Ange is seeing huge stars and realising he can't drop players at will - this is not japan, scotland or Oz. Our tactics, general attitude during many games and application to WIN have regressed?

But don't I post bollcks. Let me apologise sir - they all had a great game, we were so unlucky and if only ...Madders & Bass rate 10/10 for their performances, timo a 9 only cos he was a little lazy & Ange made the perfect subs at the perfect time.

COYFS

Mate, complaining that Kulu only got 15 mins is a strange hill to die on, he was absolutely awful and it was a clear mistake to bring him on at 10 when he is out of form. The error was not bringing on Gio

 

[YiddoInPoland]

I think we deserved to win that based on control of the game and we had some good chances, not as many as we should have had mind, but a draw is what it is.

The Fulham loss is the painful one as they have conceded 5 goals since that match and we didn't look like scoring against them for about 6 months.

 

[14/04/91]

I think we deserved to win that based on control of the game and we had some good chances, not as many as we should have had mind, but a draw is what it is.

The Fulham loss is the painful one as they have conceded 5 goals since that match and we didn't look like scoring against them for about 6 months.

We were utter shit against Fulham but let’s not forget we missed two open goals from a yard or two out.

 

[14/04/91]

If we’d just got a point away at Newcastle or Brighton, this thread would be (mostlypositive and rightly so.
Those 2 are the teams immediately below West Ham.
We didn’t just draw at Burnley.

 

[Japhet]

We get far too narrow when teams sit deep against us. Everything gets clogged up and we're trying to thread the needle all of the time. When we do have width, we don't have anyone who's good in the air unless Richy is on, so we carry on playing the width of the 18 yard box. Would have like Veliz to stick around really because he is a real aerial threat.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

What a strange performance on reflection.

The first 15 minutes I thought we looked wonderful. We then absolutely controlled long stretches of the match away at a London 'rival' ...but without really looking that threatening.

I though the midfield 3 of Bents / Bissouma / Maddison all had some bright sparks. But Sonny was poor and he isn't a striker against a packed deep lying defence. Johnson did well again whipping in some good crosses and following instructions to hit the back post - Werner on the other hand did it once and then stopped.

I still think we need more 'creativity' and involvement overall from Johnson and Werner. Especially when our full backs are struggling to really impact us in an attacking sense as Porro has recently.

 

[VoteMe4Prez]

What a strange performance on reflection.

The first 15 minutes I thought we looked wonderful. We then absolutely controlled long stretches of the match away at a London 'rival' ...but without really looking that threatening.

I though the midfield 3 of Bents / Bissouma / Maddison all had some bright sparks. But Sonny was poor and he isn't a striker against a packed deep lying defence. Johnson did well again whipping in some good crosses and following instructions to hit the back post - Werner on the other hand did it once and then stopped.

I still think we need more 'creativity' and involvement overall from Johnson and Werner. Especially when our full backs are struggling to really impact us in an attacking sense as Porro has recently.

Yeah for me we need 1 or 2 new forwards in for the summer. Absolute must for me. New CF and WF. Would also keep Werner

 

[Buggsy61]

Was a hard watch sometimes last night, but certainly the most entertaining thing was hearing the Spam fans singing “Champions of Europe”. Please let that be tongue in cheek! LOL

 

[theShiznit]

Was a hard watch sometimes last night, but certainly the most entertaining thing was hearing the Spam fans singing “Champions of Europe”. Please let that be tongue in cheek! LOL

They've been singing it all season, with no sense of IRON-y

 

[Dov67]

Set pieces are a concern - both defending and attacking.

Its kind of weird - I have been going to Spurs for over 40 years, different teams, players, managers and styles but one consistent thread - we have ALWAYS struggled defending corners and making set pieces count from an attacking perspective, save for a very brief period when Perisics' delivery was excellent and we had that Italian set piece coach under Conte