BringBack_leGin
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that's because Levy's put Kaboul straight into the field so that he can start munching on some grass and give good milk when he's in season.
[Update 63] yidio re:Begovic and Kaboul
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that's because Levy's put Kaboul straight into the field so that he can start munching on some grass and give good milk when he's in season.
joffmeister
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It may be beneficial to negotiations in offloading Pav (or Keane?) that we don't officially have 5 strikers, which would mean we need to offload one, thus weakening our negotiating position.
The problem with this theory is that Harry's shot his mouth off, so everyone knows it's a done deal! (maybe him saying "the chairman's probably done a deal for him" was meant to keep some room for uncertainty, but surely no-one buys that)
davidmatzdorf
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From what I read here and elsewhere, Harry was indeed involved in deals that involved offering very high wages to players, compared to the kind of wages they would get to play with us - or for anyone except Chelsea and Man City. To that limited degree, his is implicated in Portsmouth's current financial trouble.
But you have to look at what it takes to get good players, especially the older players whose careers Harry revived there, to sign for a club with a chequered history and a record of lack of success such as Portsmouth. Smaller clubs with bigger ambitions have to pay higher wages to attract players of any given quality - I don't think that's a contentious statement.
Finally: I haven't done the maths, because I don't know all the wage figures, but any waste or overpayment in the area of wages that Redknapp sanctioned must surely be dwarfed by the genuinely huge transfer profits that he made trading players for Portsmouth. In this case, I have seen the figures: 4 or 5 specific players were bought and sold by Portsmouth for a combined profit of £60m. I'm simply taking the transfer-in fee and the transfer-out fee, I'm not accounting for amortisation of the contract whilst these players were at Portsmouth.
And the credit for that belongs not partly to Harry, but entirely to Harry, because he was the man who did the deals there, whereas Levy handles much of that at Tottenham. He spotted these undervalued players, talked them into joining Portsmouth, signed them (sometimes on high wages, true), coached them such that their reputations burgeoned and then sold them off for several times what he had paid for them. The obvious example is Lassana Diarra, but I can get the other names and figures later if anyone is curious.
But you have to look at what it takes to get good players, especially the older players whose careers Harry revived there, to sign for a club with a chequered history and a record of lack of success such as Portsmouth. Smaller clubs with bigger ambitions have to pay higher wages to attract players of any given quality - I don't think that's a contentious statement.
Finally: I haven't done the maths, because I don't know all the wage figures, but any waste or overpayment in the area of wages that Redknapp sanctioned must surely be dwarfed by the genuinely huge transfer profits that he made trading players for Portsmouth. In this case, I have seen the figures: 4 or 5 specific players were bought and sold by Portsmouth for a combined profit of £60m. I'm simply taking the transfer-in fee and the transfer-out fee, I'm not accounting for amortisation of the contract whilst these players were at Portsmouth.
And the credit for that belongs not partly to Harry, but entirely to Harry, because he was the man who did the deals there, whereas Levy handles much of that at Tottenham. He spotted these undervalued players, talked them into joining Portsmouth, signed them (sometimes on high wages, true), coached them such that their reputations burgeoned and then sold them off for several times what he had paid for them. The obvious example is Lassana Diarra, but I can get the other names and figures later if anyone is curious.
God knows what's continuing to go on at Portsmouth (Private Eye hinted Gaydamak may still be in charge), but I don't believe that the transfer fees announced mean much. Frankly, though, if Abramovich or Mansour pulled their support, their clubs would have the same problems; I doubt Harry's probity considerably more than I doubt his acuity.
On a general point, we won't be paying 11 million of real money for Kaboul.
nedley
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Have there been quotes from harry re begovic and kaboul?
spurs_viola
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Undeniably, Harry did help PFC get high profit margins on sale of such players as Diarra or Johnson, for example. And with someone like Johnson, the coaching he got at PFC undoubtedly helped him reach much higher sell-on value.
However, with Diarra, Crouch and even Johnson too, you have to consider that the big improvement in their performance and values were in no small measure due to the fact that they played consistently in Portsmouth first team and gained a lot more confidence and much better form because of that too. They were not regular players at their previous clubs. but took their chance well at another club where they were given regular match practice.
It shows the importance of regular match play for most players with ability and potential.
Witness KPB and to a large extent Kaboul, Bent etc - considered not good enough to play regularly under Harry at Spurs, but went on to much better form playing regularly in other teams. Better form usually means higher selling value.
We may have very similar scenarios with Gio and Pav after they get a regular place in other teams.
tony_parkes
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Thanks for update, is it fair to say that we take much longer than other teams to iron out the formalities? Or is it just because we are not objective as fans and being impatient?
septicsac
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Bent never suited Spurs style of play,Pav by all accounts is a lzy bugger and seemingly GDS is to fond of the gargle:-? KPB may have deserved another chance but it is most likely easier to look like the big fish in the small pond. I think Kaboul is a shrewd signing, the boy has obviously improved and Mr Levy is protecting the money he is owed by Portsmouth. We can always sell him in the summer if it doesnt work out. what I have seen of Begovic so far is very good but time will tell,a good understudy who may yet threaten Mr Gomes place
chrissivad
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on our OS as well
Do not trust Harry.
