[Update 63] yidio re:Begovic and Kaboul

[codspur]

Jamie has gone back to them on loan:
O’Hara Rejoins Pompey On Loan


Jamie O’Hara has rejoined Pompey on loan from Tottenham until the end of the season.

The 23-year-old midfielder made 14 appearances for the Blues in the first half of the season, making his debut in a 3-2 home defeat to Bolton in September.

His only Pompey goal to date came in a 3-1 loss at Blackburn in November.

O’Hara joined Tottenham’s academy in 2003 and has made 56 appearances for the north London side, scoring seven goals.

He made his Spurs debut in a 1-0 victory over Pompey at Fratton Park in December 2007 and was named the club’s 2007/08 young-player-of-the-season.

Prior to that, he enjoyed successful loan spells with Chesterfield and Millwall.

 

[spurs_viola]

In all seriousness, if anyone can come to me and outline how a manager can justify organising a deal (even if he did have someone that should have vetoed him) that pays John Utaka 80,000 quid a week (that's the best (or indeed worst) part of 5 million pounds per year - four year deal = 20 million pounds sterling of real English money), plus got all his top stars contracts worth similar money or higher, then I'll listen.

Of course, Harry isn't solely responsible but him and Storrie worked on a string of deals that were overwhelmingly irresponsible for Portsmouth Football Club. The Gay Damak's lack of authority is pitiful mitigation and any use of that argument to alleviate Harry from blame is a suggestion that Harry can't be trusted (a caveat noticeable by its absence in posts from his apologists).

Harry worked on these deals, he must share (however small a share) in the blame for them being utter pigshit. He is a wonderful manager and I support him unreservedly but let's be honest, his deals have had a terrible long term effect for Pompey.

If you choose to believe that Redknapp just gave Storrie/The Gay Damak a list of players and had no say in their terms or the resources allocated to them I feel bad for you, son.

I admit I feel much more comfortable in the knowledge that Levy wouldn't let the above happen, but if you're going to give credit for his 'good' signings and money making....then surely he must take responsibility when things don't work out, too?

Or does he only 'do' outgoing deals? In honesty, I'd imagine the reverse is true. Actually, that's being facetious. I know the reverse is true(r).

...

Very sensible and logical - and will be condemned by many in denial mode.

Talk to people close to Portsmouth FC and you will find there is a less than complimentary picture about Redknapp's and Storrie's dealings there.

As you pointed out, Utaka was given a £80,000 per week contract plus bonuses. What kind of contracts do you think higher profile players were on - I think it's safe to assume even higher figures?

Remember the comment from Harry that he believed that basically any player can be obtained if you throw a load of money at him, whether it's for a top club or a mid-table club?

The situation was unsustainable and to think that the manager like Redknapp who insists to be heavily involved in everything at the club did not know about any financial issues at PFC is either very naive or extremely blinkered.

 

[scat1620]

Very sensible and logical - and will be condemned by many in denial mode.

Talk to people close to Portsmouth FC and you will find there is a less than complimentary picture about Redknapp's and Storrie's dealings there.

As you pointed out, Utaka was given a £80,000 per week contract plus bonuses. What kind of contracts do you think higher profile players were on - I think it's safe to assume even higher figures?

Remember the comment from Harry that he believed that basically any player can be obtained if you throw a load of money at him, whether it's for a top club or a mid-table club?

The situation was unsustainable and to think that the manager like Redknapp who insists to be heavily involved in everything at the club did not know about any financial issues at PFC is either very naive or extremely blinkered.

I'm generally pro-Redknapp for what he's done at Tottenham, and I wouldn't argue with any of the above. He played a part in creating the horrendous mess that Pompey now find themselves in and, as you say, only someone in denial would argue otherwise.

However, I don't see that it has any relevance to his performance at Tottenham. With Levy having a tight hold on the purse strings and being one of the most financially astute chairmen in the league, I think we have the best of both worlds: a manager who is very, very good in working the transfer market, and a chairman who won't let the manager mortgage the future of our club in doing so.

Something to be happy about, surely?

 

[Hoowl]

Very sensible and logical - and will be condemned by many in denial mode.

Talk to people close to Portsmouth FC and you will find there is a less than complimentary picture about Redknapp's and Storrie's dealings there.

As you pointed out, Utaka was given a £80,000 per week contract plus bonuses. What kind of contracts do you think higher profile players were on - I think it's safe to assume even higher figures?

Remember the comment from Harry that he believed that basically any player can be obtained if you throw a load of money at him, whether it's for a top club or a mid-table club?

The situation was unsustainable and to think that the manager like Redknapp who insists to be heavily involved in everything at the club did not know about any financial issues at PFC is either very naive or extremely blinkered.

We've been round this issue a few times. At every club the relationship between the Chairman, Director of Football and Manager will be different. However, at the end of the day the buck stops with the chairman. He is the one responsible for the running of the club and a large part of that deals with its finances. The chairman is the one who gives the go-ahead for transfers. The manager and DOF can say who they want but the chairman has the final say. It is not the managers resonsibility to manage the financial side of the club. If the chairman says Harry can have Utaka and give him 80k a week then Harry has to believe that the chairman is doing his job well and that this deal will not put the club in jeopardy.

and when did everybody start trying to boost the credability of the quotations they use by saying "Very sensible and logical" when what they really mean is merely "I agree".

 

[BringBack_leGin]

We've been round this issue a few times. At every club the relationship between the Chairman, Director of Football and Manager will be different. However, at the end of the day the buck stops with the chairman. He is the one responsible for the running of the club and a large part of that deals with its finances. The chairman is the one who gives the go-ahead for transfers. The manager and DOF can say who they want but the chairman has the final say. It is not the managers resonsibility to manage the financial side of the club. If the chairman says Harry can have Utaka and give him 80k a week then Harry has to believe that the chairman is doing his job well and that this deal will not put the club in jeopardy.

and when did everybody start trying to boost the credability of the quotations they use by saying "Very sensible and logical" when what they really mean is merely "I agree".

Very sensible and logical post :razz:

 

[spurs_viola]

We've been round this issue a few times. At every club the relationship between the Chairman, Director of Football and Manager will be different. However, at the end of the day the buck stops with the chairman. He is the one responsible for the running of the club and a large part of that deals with its finances. The chairman is the one who gives the go-ahead for transfers. The manager and DOF can say who they want but the chairman has the final say. It is not the managers resonsibility to manage the financial side of the club. If the chairman says Harry can have Utaka and give him 80k a week then Harry has to believe that the chairman is doing his job well and that this deal will not put the club in jeopardy.

and when did everybody start trying to boost the credability of the quotations they use by saying "Very sensible and logical" when what they really mean is merely "I agree".

I agree - of course the ultimate responsibility lies with the Chairman and DOF. And Sasha Gaidamak was not one of the most informed or shrewdest of Football Club chairmen - who probably decided to trust the manager and the DOF with so much experience in the British game more than he should have. It was a mess.

 

[14/04/91]

Unbelievable situation to be in. It's not as if they 'did a Leeds' and used future Champs Lge money that never materialised. They were never going to get additional money, even the Uefa Cup wouldn't have made much difference, as we well know.
Someone at Pompey agreed an overall wageroll that spiralled out of control and exceeded their income.
Even if Gaydamak didn't have football experience, he should've known that in any business outgoings do not exceed income.

 

[jrio]

We've been round this issue a few times. At every club the relationship between the Chairman, Director of Football and Manager will be different. However, at the end of the day the buck stops with the chairman. He is the one responsible for the running of the club and a large part of that deals with its finances. The chairman is the one who gives the go-ahead for transfers. The manager and DOF can say who they want but the chairman has the final say. It is not the managers resonsibility to manage the financial side of the club. If the chairman says Harry can have Utaka and give him 80k a week then Harry has to believe that the chairman is doing his job well and that this deal will not put the club in jeopardy.

and when did everybody start trying to boost the credability of the quotations they use by saying "Very sensible and logical" when what they really mean is merely "I agree".

I'm sceptical about this 80k a week claim. They did pay a large fee for him(8m) but I don't see what criteria could have been used to offer a wage that high. It suggests he was the highest earner at the club, yet was not a regular starter after an initial period.

Some of the players(Campbell, Distin, James) came in on frees or low fees, which is why the money saved could be used to give wages of 30-50k a week. Diarra came in for 5m and was rumoured to be on about 60-70k. All the players sold for large fees were supposed to be the ones on wages of over 30k a week(plus Campbell who was released), so why would Utaka still be there on 80k, sitting on the bench, when it would make financial sense to off-load him at a cut price fee?

 

[Raxscallion]

They have only lifted the ban on free transfers and loan signings...however convincing people to go there on a free signing my prove difficult with their weel publicised issues regarding paying player wages for the last two months.

Freddy Adu? :grin:

If Kaboom comes back, does that mean we can officially start referring to Pompey as our reserve squad?

 

[barry]

I'm sceptical about this 80k a week claim. They did pay a large fee for him(8m) but I don't see what criteria could have been used to offer a wage that high. It suggests he was the highest earner at the club, yet was not a regular starter after an initial period.

Some of the players(Campbell, Distin, James) came in on frees or low fees, which is why the money saved could be used to give wages of 30-50k a week. Diarra came in for 5m and was rumoured to be on about 60-70k. All the players sold for large fees were supposed to be the ones on wages of over 30k a week(plus Campbell who was released), so why would Utaka still be there on 80k, sitting on the bench, when it would make financial sense to off-load him at a cut price fee?

They probably tried but why would he leave. Who else is gonna pay 80k a week for what is a fairly average footballer

 

[WexfordTownSpur]

It's a good deal all round. It sounds like we may never have seen the money for Kaboul...this way we get the player (potentially excellent), the IOU is cleared and Pompeys debt goes down. It also goes a long way to extricate us from the legal mess that will ensue if Pompey do not survive. Given what went on before Kaboul may not be overly thrilled by the idea of going back to Spurs but he knows that HR rates him and the madness of the Ramos reign has past.

Sorry don't agree - If he turns out to be shit, which IMO he will, we have still paid "some money" for a player we never really wanted, how is that a good deal? You might say because at least we got a player instead of the 2m, but again, if it is a player you don't want, what is 2m these days? Plus, if he would have been sold to say, Monaco for 10m, we would have least got the 15% sell on clause, so we would have got money that we could have invested in a good defender.

 

[yidio]

latest i've heard is the fee for kaboul only is £7.5m. i've heard varying figures regarding what they owe us - some say £2m, some say £5m... i do hope it's the latter!

 

[PhilosoSPUR]

Harry seems to value:
1. Physical prowess (speed, strenght)
2. Comfort on the ball
3. Effort

And he believes he can teach the other things, like positioning, etc. He has done wonders for Lennon and Defoe and Huddlestone, so I think he saw (and sees) a diamond in the rough with Kabul. We mainly see the diamond, but that's why he's the manager...

 

[PhilosoSPUR]

I mean, we mainly see the rough, but Harry sees the diamond.

 

[Spurs_Q8]

I think Kaboul signing as both of Sandro and Kjear can't came now, so Kaboul can cover both for CM and DM in our bid to reach CL.

he could cover King & Woody injuries, and give us more options in the middle, speciallu as Harry consider diamond formation or give 4-3-3 a try as Eidur, Luka & Niko here. I'm trust Harry judgement.

 

[Breezer]

ARRY “I said, ’if you don’t want to sell them Avram we won’t get involved’.

“He (Grant) said, ’We need to sell them. We need to make the sales otherwise we are in trouble.”’

 

[ShayLaB]

Sorry don't agree - If he turns out to be shit, which IMO he will, we have still paid "some money" for a player we never really wanted, how is that a good deal? You might say because at least we got a player instead of the 2m, but again, if it is a player you don't want, what is 2m these days? Plus, if he would have been sold to say, Monaco for 10m, we would have least got the 15% sell on clause, so we would have got money that we could have invested in a good defender.

...because if Pompey go down the tube holding his registration then we are unlikely to get the money they owe us. What becomes of his registration then...is he a free agent? We didn't get the money and didn't get the player.

At least this way we get a player HR obviously likes having signed him twice. Even if it turns out he doesn't stay in the long run we will be able to sell him...whatever the transfer fee is we will undoubtedly be better off than watching the Pompey slip into the abyss without making this move.

 

[mike_l]

What's going on with these deals then, quotes from Redknapp as if they are done, same with Gudjohnson, yet nothing at all on the OS?

 

[brownhead]

Yeh what's that all about. The 2 new deals, fair enough, maybe not completed, but EG has been done for 2 days now and still not on OS. Why is the OS always so slow at announcing deals (in/or out)
COYS

 

[BIGSMITHY]

SSN saying Begovic has been at Spurs lodge today but Kaboul Hasn't & that neither have been at Portsmouth.