Tottenham Vs Wolves: Match Thread

[spurs mental]

I was referring to the banning from the ground but lets forget about that anyway. I would like to apologise for my remarks they were childish and stupid. However we had just lost at home to the worst team in the Lge at home and failed to create any real chances in the process. So i was a little bit annoyed, tbh honest i admit someone of his signings haven't been bad Palacios has been good and Niko is class but the purchase of Crouch really angred me. I just think Arry relies to much on players he has coached in the past instead of trying new things (Crouch being preferred over Pav proves my point) I just hope Arry doesn't ruin the philosphy we have at the club of buying and nuturing young talent. That was something that for all his faults Mr Commoli beleived it and in the future we will see the benefit of that. I honestly believe if Arry had been in charge over the last few years that Lennon Modric or Berbatov would not of been at WHL. And that worries me especially after some of the players that i we have been linked with but i guess we will wait and see.:grin:

Fair enough. :up:

I too was annoyed at the fact we signed Crouch. I think Pav is better too. There's quite a few on here who I know will disagree, I could probably list them.

If we do end up buying some of the players we have been linked with, you won't be the only one worried.

But I trust Harry enough to make the right signings.

 

[Mullers]

Disagree. I would hope that he has learned from the Jol fiasco. He has sacked 4 managers? Hoddle and Ramos for similar reasons (horrendous starts, weak/unbalanced squads, lost dressing room) - Jol because he let 05/06 and 06/07 get to his head (as many fans did) - and Graham, well, to get the fans on his side.

Redknapp has turned us around since he's been in. I know you're not a fan, and thats your opinion, but we're 5th for god sake.

I can't believe after that heap of shite today I'm actually making positive/optimistic posts. Sums this place up.

I would hope that too but I have no confidence what so ever he will. I think the reality is that if we should get 7th or 8th place this season Levy will see this as a missed opportunity and it will hurt him even more if Villa get fourth place. I'm not a fan of Redknapp but I happened to think sacking him at the end of the season and going through yet another transitional period isn't going to do us much good. A place in the Europa cup would do for me.

 

[Dwallace]

Are you serious? Please tell me you're taking the piss?

What has Klinsmann done other than get a decent Germany to their own WC semi final? Why would Rijkaard or Van Basten ever join us? Deluded.

Ramos got sacked because he built a horrendously unbalanced side, and was useless at communicating with them and utilising them. How haven't you learnt anything from that lesson?

The reason Harry might not take us forward is because he's been here for a year and had to clear up Ramos's mess. And he's done a fucking good job in getting us competing in the top half again. You want top 4 but fail to appreciate that you have to build a decent side with foundations and be even top 6 first.

Firstly Veneables achieved the same feat as Klinsmann in euro 96 and everybody gives him praise for it? I think Klinsmann done a good job for Germany and would be a good choice but there are better managers out there. Rijkaard is managing in Turkey at Galatasaray and i reckon he would love to manage us as would Mancini and Van Basten. Ramos won us our last trophy and i believe if we had replaced Keane with Arshavin and paired him with Pav he would still be at the Lane. Arry should have been given a short term contract and that would of been sufficent for him and us. And as for top 4 i never expected us to be top 4 i expected a top 6 finish and i would be happy with that but unless we turn our form around that looks doubtful.

 

[spur_souljah]

sometimes these things happen though i mean it happened with arsenal and hull last season, however they have improved coz blackburn tried it this season and they got raped..

 

[duffman22]

I would hope that too but I have no confidence what so ever he will. I think the reality is that if we should get 7th or 8th place this season Levy will see this as a missed opportunity and it will hurt him even more if Villa get fourth place. I'm not a fan of Redknapp but I happened to think sacking him at the end of the season and going through yet another transitional period isn't going to do us much good. A place in the Europa cup would do for me.

Agreed. Its not going to happen overnight and I think Levy realises that now. If Villa did get 4th then that would be because O'Neill has built this over 4 seasons. That is what we need to do. It took a lot of balls for Levy to scrap the DoF system, and I think that aslong as we keep going in the right direction and improving gradually, he'll stick with Harry,

 

[FromTheLane]

I can't believe the possibility of Redknapp being sacked is actually being discussed! Redknapp is one of the best managers in the league, simple as, anyone who thinks otherwise is a deluded moron, and if we even consider the prospect of sacking him, even if we finish seventh, then we don't deserve to be in the premiership at all

 

[DEFchenkOE]

Harry needs to stay for at LEAST one more season after this one, in terms of our league position it really has done us no good to keep chopping and changing managers.

Harry's job shouldn't even be in question, yes today was frustrating but Harry is the reason why we are where we are and he deserves a fair chance of seeing it through.

I don't agree with all of his decisions but he is the boss and has taken us this far, and that I cannot complain about.

 

[duffman22]

Firstly Veneables achieved the same feat as Klinsmann in euro 96 and everybody gives him praise for it? I think Klinsmann done a good job for Germany and would be a good choice but there are better managers out there. Rijkaard is managing in Turkey at Galatasaray and i reckon he would love to manage us as would Mancini and Van Basten. Ramos won us our last trophy and i believe if we had replaced Keane with Arshavin and paired him with Pav he would still be at the Lane. Arry should have been given a short term contract and that would of been sufficent for him and us. And as for top 4 i never expected us to be top 4 i expected a top 6 finish and i would be happy with that but unless we turn our form around that looks doubtful.

Venables also won the League with Barcalona and won the FA Cup with us. Klinsmann's club managerial records stands at almost failing to get Bayern Munich into the Champions League. If he struggled to do it with them, how would he do it with us?!

If we'd replaced Keane with Arshavin? Yeah that might have worked. Except we didn't. He won us our last trophy with Jol's squad. When it came to building his own squad he failed miserably. We had 2 one dimensional strikers, a whole host of creative midfielders and no tough midfielders. The defence improved marginally thanks to Woodgate, Corluka and Gomes but even then we had a useless GK coach which resulted in Gomes' confidence hitting an all time low and god knows how shit Cesar must have been if he didn't get a run out during that period. It wasn't just bad luck we ended up adrift after 8 games.

I wouldn't say top 6 looks doubtful. Yes Villa have gone above us, but this is a team we dominated 2 weeks ago. We outplayed Liverpool on the opening day and have got City on Tuesday. We have got the potential we just need to be more consistent and that comes with time and experience. Be patient.

 

[Dwallace]

why are you on this board if you don't support spurs? where were we when harry took over? and where are we now?

oh yeah, thought so. jog on.

:stupid:

I thought my arguments had finished for the night but more stupid people are crwaling out of the woodwork.

why are you on this board if you don't support spurs?:duh: Er i do support spurs thats why i post. And when Arry took over we were poor and he turned us around but can he take us to where we ought? probarbly not anyway do return my post there's nothing i like better than putting people with average knowledge of the game in their place.:wink:

 

[carlosspurs]

Incredible, people are dicussing sacking Redknapp?? What on earth are people thinking ??? If we won today we would be 3rd and w would have none of this nonsense. Terrible game and terrible result. But i'd b et we bit City on Wednesday.

 

[kaz Hirai]

Disagree. I would hope that he has learned from the Jol fiasco. He has sacked 4 managers? Hoddle and Ramos for similar reasons (horrendous starts, weak/unbalanced squads, lost dressing room) - Jol because he let 05/06 and 06/07 get to his head (as many fans did) - and Graham, well, to get the fans on his side.

Redknapp has turned us around since he's been in. I know you're not a fan, and thats your opinion, but we're 5th for god sake.

I can't believe after that heap of shite today I'm actually making positive/optimistic posts. Sums this place up.

:-|

doesnt seem so long ago that we were saying we were 3rd.

and then never mind we're still 4th

this week its 5th.

next week.........

 

[duffman22]

:-|

doesnt seem so long ago that we were saying we were 3rd.

and then never mind we're still 4th

this week its 5th.

next week.........

Its been a bad couple of weeks. But it doesn't seem that long ago we were saying 'we need to survive', 'we need to rest players for our 6 pointer with Hull' etc. If you had offered me 6th at the beginning of the season I would have taken it. Its only because we've been top and in the top 4 we're all talking about Champions League.

Teams have bad runs. We need to make sure we don't get all doom and gloom and get back to winning ways on Wednesday and over xmas.

 

[mezza84]

Just got in and am absolutely gutted.

Although maybe the thing that disappointed me the most was this:

Took me little bro to his first league game of the season today. I said to him I'll give it 10 minutes till someone bad mouths Keane. We then came to the conclusion he has replaced Jenas as the new scape goat.

Anyway a few minutes later a thru ball was played but it was just out of Keane's reach and the keeper won the race. Low and behold from 3 or 4 rows back we hear "Keane you're fucking shit. Fuck off to Celtic"'.

Nice.

 

[FromTheLane]

:stupid:

I thought my arguments had finished for the night but more stupid people are crwaling out of the woodwork.

why are you on this board if you don't support spurs?:duh: Er i do support spurs thats why i post. And when Arry took over we were poor and he turned us around but can he take us to where we ought? probarbly not anyway do return my post there's nothing i like better than putting people with average knowledge of the game in their place.:wink:

you are completely underestimating the exact feat Harry has achieved. he has made the WORST team in the premiership into one of the best ones in the space of twelve months, despite not being able to land many of his transfer targets, and having to deal with injuries to his best players for prolonged periods. that is little short of a miracle.

hence, to say or even hint that he is not the right man for the job is worse than absurd.

and where 'ought' we to be, may i ask? i am pretty sure that if you go on the premier league era, where we ought to be is an average to poor mid table side full of average players with the occasional gem who offers fleeting glimmers of hope. so if you judge it on that he is more than exceeding expectations.

do you honestly think there is anyone who could be doing/ have done a better job? the modern idea that managers are agents in the every nook and cranny of what goes on the pitch is wholly absurd IMO, and it is people like you who perpetuate the idea of their genius/ idiocy (delete where appropriate, depending on the outcome of the weekend's game) who have created this boom and bust culture whereby managers are sacked prematurely and not given nearly enough time. the managers managing in the premiership are where they are for a reason, and so should remain there by and large. they really aren't as influential as people make out.

 

[raf18]

First of all, nobody should be slagging off players OR the team until the game is OVER. What help is it? If I got booed, I'd be angry at the fans. I'd much rather be encouraged by fans.

Now, after settling down, today is not the end of the world. Lets be realistic. This year is prob the first year that most our players are having to deal with being EXPECTED to win. They're not always gonna get it right. 4th would be great but I dont think we are properly ready. We dont have enough experience and I'm not sure if 1/2 of those signings would make the difference.

If we beat City, maybe we can say we are back on track. But it is still very tough. I'm not sure we'll be able to handle the expectation of winning when it gets to "squeaky bum time".

 

[Bulletspur]

If an alien landed and we had to sum up tottenham for them, we couldn't go far wrong in showing them the wigan, stoke, wolves and united cup games.

9 goals against wigan, equals the record. World class attackers, stout defence. None of the current top 4 have got near humiliating a prem team to this extent. Therefore, we are brilliant.

Stoke and Wolves. Can't score a single goal in around 200 minutes of football, with the same players who scored 9. Against 2 teams who mostly use their shins to control the ball, we accumulate roughly zero points. Thats a bit weird isn't it? Or was the wigan game the anomally?

Then the united cup game, we rolled over against an 11, possibly the equal of the other 3 highlighted. (Remind the alien that this was a one off cup game with players expected to stake a claim for a premiership start, in one of the most famous football grounds in the world.) Yet again though, we didnt score, and rolled over without a whimper.

Given that any alien that landed would have to be of more advanced intelligence than us, maybe it could work out whether we are a good team or a fucking shit one. Because Tottenham Hotspur FC is like a cloud of contradictions, that rains droplets of confusion into a spoon that has WTF engraved into the handle.

This club is driving me insane.

You have arrived! :rofl: less of the magic mushrooms

 

[alfiespurs]

Sorry everything does balance itself up over the course of the Season. We have been very lucky on the resoults we have got ! Well done Wolves, sound and solid... It clearely shows that Spurs cannot break down stubbord defences and teams that come with a game plan. I for one am dreading the Man City Game, as I do not think we will win. Anyway, enjoyed it whilst it lasted .. I think we need to look at reality ... top 6.. we are not and never will be CL contenders. I see Aston Villa as the real contenders..

 

[robin09]

You have arrived! :rofl: less of the magic mushrooms

I think I've reached the destination, alright.

Maybe it is the same for supporters of other clubs, but it just seems like we are so hard to gauge as a club in terms of where we're headed and how good we are. In the one hand you have a string of great performances, yet just like today we are quite capable of having a string of humiliating defeats too.

I often think, maybe its the actual club itself. Palacios looked dynamite his first few games, yet he's turned into Zokora in terms of passing. Is it a blip, or do we suck the grittyness and self belief out of players?

I'm sure we're in for a few surprise victories yet. We'll probably beat chelsea or something, but why can't we just do the easy stuff?Its not like we deserve to be complacent against gash sides.

Anyway, I'm rambling.

 

[worcestersauce]

I hate December.

Just got home so I've not read all previous posts but my view for what it's worth.
Our players didn't seem to want to carry the ball into the acres of space in the middle of the park always looking to pass it or kick it out wide even when there was space through the middle and certain players always seemed to look for the long pass usually wide instead of a shorter incisive pass.
We took off Keane for Crouch, I'm sure people will have differing views on that but we then quickly brought on Modric and proceded to cut him out of the game by kicking the ball up in the air with big punts to Peter Crouch way ahead of him.
If we were going to play like that why bring on Luka and if we were supposed to play through Luka why swap Keane for Crouch?
I'm sure hoofing it up to Crouch is not part of the game plan but we do seem to slip so easily into it when he is there.
We then brought on Dos Santos and I though hey two wide players and Crouch in the middle which is good but we then still kept hoofing it up to Crouch from the half way line.
Wolves defended for their lives and you can't fault them but I think we just ran out of ideas.

 

[tony0379]

Incredible, people are dicussing sacking Redknapp?? What on earth are people thinking ??? If we won today we would be 3rd and w would have none of this nonsense. Terrible game and terrible result. But i'd b et we bit City on Wednesday.

we didnt win tho did we!