Tottenham Vs Wolves: Match Thread

[Bulletspur]

Are you serious? Please tell me you're taking the piss?

What has Klinsmann done other than get a decent Germany to their own WC semi final? Why would Rijkaard or Van Basten ever join us? Deluded.

Ramos got sacked because he built a horrendously unbalanced side, and was useless at communicating with them and utilising them. How haven't you learnt anything from that lesson?

The reason Harry might not take us forward is because he's been here for a year and had to clear up Ramos's mess. And he's done a fucking good job in getting us competing in the top half again. You want top 4 but fail to appreciate that you have to build a decent side with foundations and be even top 6 first.

Although I am not a Harry fan, I do agree with you. Any change in management now will put us back 3 or 4 years.

 

[Spurger King]

Well..having resisted the urge to come on here ranting about the result immediately after the game, and having a chance to try and think rationally about this, I'd like to say that..yes..this was not a good result at all, and several players really did themselves no favours, but this really isn't the end of the world.

Attempting to be as optimistic as possible, I'm focusing on the return of Modric, the fact that all teams have poor/unexpected results (and no, I haven't forgotten the Stoke game as well), and perhaps most importantly, that the players (some at least) were probably buying into the hype of the 9-1 result, and games like this will help them realise the importance of not taking results for granted.

Of course this is all very optimistic, and I'm not saying we're still major contenders for the top 4, but I'm looking forward, not backwards, and that match is already in the past.

 

[Dwallace]

:stupid:

I thought my arguments had finished for the night but more stupid people are crwaling out of the woodwork.

you are completely underestimating the exact feat Harry has achieved. he has made the WORST team in the premiership into one of the best ones in the space of twelve months, despite not being able to land many of his transfer targets, and having to deal with injuries to his best players for prolonged periods. that is little short of a miracle.

hence, to say or even hint that he is not the right man for the job is worse than absurd.

and where 'ought' we to be, may i ask? i am pretty sure that if you go on the premier league era, where we ought to be is an average to poor mid table side full of average players with the occasional gem who offers fleeting glimmers of hope. so if you judge it on that he is more than exceeding expectations.

do you honestly think there is anyone who could be doing/ have done a better job? the modern idea that managers are agents in the every nook and cranny of what goes on the pitch is wholly absurd IMO, and it is people like you who perpetuate the idea of their genius/ idiocy (delete where appropriate, depending on the outcome of the weekend's game) who have created this boom and bust culture whereby managers are sacked prematurely and not given nearly enough time. the managers managing in the premiership are where they are for a reason, and so should remain there by and large. they really aren't as influential as people make out.

Well thankfully unlike you i don't judge my club on our mediocre past my standards are slighty higher than yours. If you look at the money we have and our fan base we should no doubt be doing better. We certainly shouldn't be losing at home to Stoke or Wolves or using scare tactics in the games against the big 4. Surely anyone with half a brain can see that Arry tactics and style of play is prehestoric and outdated. He clearly is not as good tactically as the other top 4 coaches and if the aim is to break the top four why on earth do you think he will be the manager to take us there. It is spurs fans like you who have been suckered in by papers like The Sun and other various media outlets that think ARRY is great. I don't doubt his motivational skills or his ability to get the best out of average players like Ekotto and to do well with mid table premier Lge teams. But hello:hello: we aren't a mid table team we are big ambitious club who need to be playing CL every year. And as long as Arry is in charge barring a major disaster from one of the top 4 clubs it ain't gonna happen!

 

[Bulletspur]

With King and Woodgate in defence we won't get top four. Keane will be sold in the summer because he won't put up with being sat on the bench. Usual bollocks. He doesn't have a clue.

After todays result, still think he is talking bollocks?

 

[Kendall]

Guff. You don't lose at home to Stoke and Wolves and live to fight on for a CL spot.
I know it's knee jerky, but we will lose to the better teams than us this season and if we continue to do this then we have no chance.

Liverpool, who are apparently shit and in trouble are a 2-0 win away from going above us. If that happens, I can't see us getting back.

We've been gradually losing ground for a while now. The bubble has burst. We will continue on this path of inconsistency for the remainder of the season.

9 goals in 1 game and can't buy a goal against Wolves or Stoke. A travesty.

 

[duffman22]

Well thankfully unlike you i don't judge my club on our mediocre past my standards are slighty higher than yours. If you look at the money we have and our fan base we should no doubt be doing better. We certainly shouldn't be losing at home to Stoke or Wolves or using scare tactics in the games against the big 4. Surely anyone with half a brain can see that Arry tactics and style of play is prehestoric and outdated. He clearly is not as good tactically as the other top 4 coaches and if the aim is to break the top four why on earth do you think he will be the manager to take us there. It is spurs fans like you who have been suckered in by papers like The Sun and other various media outlets that think ARRY is great. I don't doubt his motivational skills or his ability to get the best out of average players like Ekotto and to do well with mid table premier Lge teams. But hello:hello: we aren't a mid table team we are big ambitious club who need to be playing CL every year. And as long as Arry is in charge barring a major disaster from one of the top 4 clubs it ain't gonna happen!

We do spend a lot of money, true. We do have a large fanbase, true. But at the end of a season only 4 teams can qualify for the Champions League. 3 of the Sky 4 are undoubtedly bigger and have at least the same fanbase as us, and the other spends shitloads of money to make up for its empty history. Then there's Man City, Villa and us. City have spent more than us, and Villa are pretty big (probably not as big as us) and have won the Champions League in its form before. What I'm saying is you've got to consider the competition.

'Need to be playing Champions League football'? Its a realistic aim, but we shouldn't expect it. We haven't played in that competition in any format for god knows how many years.

I admire your ambition but we have to be realistic. The 07/08 season was a lesson. Everyone (the players, board, fans- I include myself in this) got too ahead of themselves after successive 5th placed finishes and expected CL qualification because we spent money. When we started poorly everyone reacted badly and harshly and took it out on Jol. People forgot that it was stability and patience that got us to that point and dismissed any possibility of us actually going backwards through abandoning that. We got a quick-fix continental manager, and whilst he had some very good tactical skills at first, he had no clue on how to actually manage an English club team. In the end, August 2007-October 2008 was a write-off league-wise. We don't need that again.

 

[FromTheLane]

Well thankfully unlike you i don't judge my club on our mediocre past my standards are slighty higher than yours. If you look at the money we have and our fan base we should no doubt be doing better. We certainly shouldn't be losing at home to Stoke or Wolves or using scare tactics in the games against the big 4. Surely anyone with half a brain can see that Arry tactics and style of play is prehestoric and outdated. He clearly is not as good tactically as the other top 4 coaches and if the aim is to break the top four why on earth do you think he will be the manager to take us there. It is spurs fans like you who have been suckered in by papers like The Sun and other various media outlets that think ARRY is great. I don't doubt his motivational skills or his ability to get the best out of average players like Ekotto and to do well with mid table premier Lge teams. But hello:hello: we aren't a mid table team we are big ambitious club who need to be playing CL every year. And as long as Arry is in charge barring a major disaster from one of the top 4 clubs it ain't gonna happen!

i'm sorry but some people haven't got a clue and you are one of them. what about when we beat chelsea last year? or outplayed Man utd for an hour at Old Trafford? was Redknapp tactically naive then?

and to say that we are entitled to expect CL every year is ridiculous. we ought to be in the top seven, that is all that should be expected as there are other clubs with equal history and resources (City, Villa, Arsenal, Liverpool) who expect the same.....realistically between those clubs there is not much in it,so not getting into the top 4 is no more a failure than getting into the top 8 or so is a success.

SUn-wise, I don't read it, nor do i allow it to influence my views, I don't read much media at all actually as its all crap pretty much. but I do know a good manager and i think the rest of football, within which Harry is respected universally, do too. so if you want to keep wingeing then do, but don't expect those who actually watch and analyse the games to agree with you. and if we finish outside the top 10 then feel free to criticise the manager, but while we are fifth in the league and playing good football after he has had only a year to stamp his mark on the team then don't even think about it and call yourself a spurs fan in the same sentence/

 

[don1]

just home from the game gutted never thought that we would be beaten today nothing went right for us today dont think it was even a free kick that led to there goal and i have to say i was very disapointed about all the stick robbie keane is get atm there was people calling him a b, a c, and f off it was total wrong i know he isnt playing the best atm but no need for that at all, got to beat city midweek

 

[BringBack_leGin]

The city game, and the three that follow, have taken on great importance. We need to beat city to have any hope of starting the nee year still ahead of them, yesterday was a chance and we blew it. Fulham and Blackburn away, there is a lot if pressure on those now. Less than four points there will be a disaster. We need to make up for having inky taken two points from the past available nine. Then v west ham, we need to win that. Ten from the next for is a must or I fear we'll fall out of contention, and once that happens I do not see us getting back into the pack.

I exempt gomes, corluka and Dawson. Not one cross from corlukas side, and he hit forward very well. Dawson was a lion and remedied his one mistake within moments. Gomes, I can't fault him for the goal, And he had nothing else to do.

Bassong is a disaster right now. He again lost his man, a player some three inches shorter than him. He was shaky throughout. Ekotto continued bein suspect, seemingly unable to control a ball or clear it properly. Thr odd decent dribble but otherwise awful. I can't wait for the acn!

Lennon had his worst game of the season. I know he was not given much space to cross or dribble, but he usually makes up for it by at least not losing possession. Today he was sloppy, which is rare. Huddvwas equally poor. A couple of wonderful passes and a whole lot of sideways, backwards, or straight to the opposition. Palacios was not his best either, but at least he did his primary job of ballwinning.

Kranjcar on the first half was our only good attacker. Good passing and dribbling. I'm not sure where hebwas in the second half though. Keane and Defoe didn't really Have any chances, butbthe former has lost all strength, pace and skill, at least on this evidence, while the latter has bought his own hype a bit and is shooting where there are no openings.

Crouch looked good when he came on. Shane that nobody wanted to stay near him for a flick on. Modric gave us some composure and positivity, he was in the middle and he was involved. Giovani had a couple of nice touches but no real chance to do anything game saving.

I don't fault the manager for this one.

The pressure is really on now. Let's see how we respond. A win over city is a must just to stay in contention, that is the reality of the situation.

 

[millhouse]

apart from the derby, I can't think of a team I'd hate to lose to more than Wolves.

My phone hasn't stopped going since the final whistle went yesterday and it will be worse when I get to work tomorrow.

How typically Spurs to score nine in one home game then lose the next to a team promoted that will be cannon fodder for all our rivals.

 

[FromTheLane]

The city game, and the three that follow, have taken on great importance. We need to beat city to have any hope of starting the nee year still ahead of them, yesterday was a chance and we blew it. Fulham and Blackburn away, there is a lot if pressure on those now. Less than four points there will be a disaster. We need to make up for having inky taken two points from the past available nine. Then v west ham, we need to win that. Ten from the next for is a must or I fear we'll fall out of contention, and once that happens I do not see us getting back into the pack.

I exempt gomes, corluka and Dawson. Not one cross from corlukas side, and he hit forward very well. Dawson was a lion and remedied his one mistake within moments. Gomes, I can't fault him for the goal, And he had nothing else to do.

Bassong is a disaster right now. He again lost his man, a player some three inches shorter than him. He was shaky throughout. Ekotto continued bein suspect, seemingly unable to control a ball or clear it properly. Thr odd decent dribble but otherwise awful. I can't wait for the acn!

Lennon had his worst game of the season. I know he was not given much space to cross or dribble, but he usually makes up for it by at least not losing possession. Today he was sloppy, which is rare. Huddvwas equally poor. A couple of wonderful passes and a whole lot of sideways, backwards, or straight to the opposition. Palacios was not his best either, but at least he did his primary job of ballwinning.

Kranjcar on the first half was our only good attacker. Good passing and dribbling. I'm not sure where hebwas in the second half though. Keane and Defoe didn't really Have any chances, butbthe former has lost all strength, pace and skill, at least on this evidence, while the latter has bought his own hype a bit and is shooting where there are no openings.

Crouch looked good when he came on. Shane that nobody wanted to stay near him for a flick on. Modric gave us some composure and positivity, he was in the middle and he was involved. Giovani had a couple of nice touches but no real chance to do anything game saving.

I don't fault the manager for this one.

The pressure is really on now. Let's see how we respond. A win over city is a must just to stay in contention, that is the reality of the situation.

very very well put. it was a disappointing afternoon but the doom and gloom stuff and 'this proves Redknapp is a mid table manager' is worse than embarassing.

thing is, City will likely bring the best out of our as their desire to attack will give the space to the likes of Lennon, Defoe and Kranjcar that we require a lot of the time. Wolves' excellent shutting down of this space was one of the key reasons why we were unable to break them down, and this is why some credit ought to be given to them

 

[WexfordTownSpur]

apart from the derby, I can't think of a team I'd hate to lose to more than Wolves.

My phone hasn't stopped going since the final whistle went yesterday and it will be worse when I get to work tomorrow.

How typically Spurs to score nine in one home game then lose the next to a team promoted that will be cannon fodder for all our rivals.

yes in the same boat mate. It was so so spurs. Like my wife says why do i expect more from them after 40 years supporting

 

[millhouse]

Not quite Wexford as I live in Wolverhampton

 

[Leachie]

Rather than replace redknapp I think we should replace some of our fans first.

 

[FromTheLane]

Rather than replace redknapp I think we should replace some of our fans first.

exactly. then we might actually be able to build a team without demanding a change of manager every time we have the slightest of blips.

 

[Dwallace]

i'm sorry but some people haven't got a clue and you are one of them. what about when we beat chelsea last year? or outplayed Man utd for an hour at Old Trafford? was Redknapp tactically naive then?

and to say that we are entitled to expect CL every year is ridiculous. we ought to be in the top seven, that is all that should be expected as there are other clubs with equal history and resources (City, Villa, Arsenal, Liverpool) who expect the same.....realistically between those clubs there is not much in it,so not getting into the top 4 is no more a failure than getting into the top 8 or so is a success.

SUn-wise, I don't read it, nor do i allow it to influence my views, I don't read much media at all actually as its all crap pretty much. but I do know a good manager and i think the rest of football, within which Harry is respected universally, do too. so if you want to keep wingeing then do, but don't expect those who actually watch and analyse the games to agree with you. and if we finish outside the top 10 then feel free to criticise the manager(If we finish outside the top 6 i will criticise never mind top ten!), but while we are fifth in the league and playing good football after he has had only a year to stamp his mark on the team then don't even think about it and call yourself a spurs fan in the same sentence/

I haven't know you long but already you have proved yourself to be a bumbling idiot!

Forget last year win over Chelsea or the fact that we captulated in the second half against Man U. Have a look at Arry's record against the other big clubs and you will see it clearly ain't good enough. I believe he has only 1 game in 40 against Wenger:rofl: and after the way he setup the team against Chelsea and Arsenal this season it is not hard to see why. The only thing worse than a tactically naive manager is a scared one! and ARRY just showed how scared he was in both those games.

And as for your comment on the analysis of good football if you as a spurs fan think that what you are watching is good football. Then i suggest you take some time out from writing your biography (Diary of a deluded spurs fan) to see how good football really should be played. My advice would be to watch Ajax Milan Barcelona Tottenham (1982)or even the Mob from down the road and every avaliable opportunity. Sadly for you however players like Crouch and Bae won't be featured because Left backs hoofing balls to lanky frontmen is not a feature of good footballing principles. So make you watch an educate yourself and then we will have a proper discussion about football then. Thanks for your post and good luck with the book.:hello:

 

[Razzmatazz]

just home from the game gutted never thought that we would be beaten today nothing went right for us today dont think it was even a free kick that led to there goal and i have to say i was very disapointed about all the stick robbie keane is get atm there was people calling him a b, a c, and f off it was total wrong i know he isnt playing the best atm but no need for that at all, got to beat city midweek

Agree with you there! I was sat next to a right tw*t. Every other word was an f or a c, and he was influencing people in front of him, they were calling the team a bunch of overpaid pissheads, Keane was getting screamed at everytime he got the ball and didn't score on his first touch. Crouch was even getting abuse and I felt he did well at winning the ball and trying to flick it on. I thought our fanbase was one of the best, every time we are on telly, home or away, all you hear is COME ON YOU SPURS. How is someone like Keane going to feel he can win a ball in the air, or Lennon get past that defender if their own fans are against them. At the end of the game we were getting booed!! WE'RE NOT ARSENAL FFS!!! I know fellow user on here Cristophe was annoyed at this, and I'm hoping the game on Wednesday isn't the same. We need to get behind the team and help them put in an great and important performance!

 

[Spirit58]

Chill guys, you should know by now that were the most charitable team in English football, guaranteed to gift 3 points to any club in a relegation battle. It happens year after year

 

[Midostouch]

I thought our fans were appalling yesterday, or certainly the ones around me - they did absolutely nothing to encourage the team, just using vile language and cursing everything they did. The players can hear what we are doing and on more positive occasions say that we helped them to a great victory. I am convinced that on this occasion we helped them to a depressing defeat. It seemed that everyone around me had it in for them (particularly Benny and Keano) from the moment Wolves scored, and spent the rest of the match hurling abuse at everyone. I only gave up cheering them on when the final whistle blew, even though in my heart of hearts I'd given up with ten minutes to go. I felt like a lone voice in the wilderness :-|

 

[Dougal]

I thought our fans were appalling yesterday, or certainly the ones around me - they did absolutely nothing to encourage the team, just using vile language and cursing everything they did. The players can hear what we are doing and on more positive occasions say that we helped them to a great victory. I am convinced that on this occasion we helped them to a depressing defeat. It seemed that everyone around me had it in for them (particularly Benny and Keano) from the moment Wolves scored, and spent the rest of the match hurling abuse at everyone. I only gave up cheering them on when the final whistle blew, even though in my heart of hearts I'd given up with ten minutes to go. I felt like a lone voice in the wilderness :-|

You're not alone...

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=55061

Losing is one thing, losing while sat among a bunch of booing, abuse hurling 'supporters' is something quite different and extremely unpleasant.