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Gassin what is a genuine football fan?I would maybe take Baddiel seriously if he were even a genuine football fan, and wasn't just pretending to be one because he hosted a comedy football show back in the 90s.
Gassin what is a genuine football fan?I would maybe take Baddiel seriously if he were even a genuine football fan, and wasn't just pretending to be one because he hosted a comedy football show back in the 90s.
As an observant and practicing Jew, I have always felt our adopting the term yid army was one of the most powerful and profound messages of anti racism in football, and it fills me with joy and pride every time I hear it reverberating around the ground.
nothing and nobody will ever make me stop singing it.
Even if we put aside the arguments for and against from inside the club and outside, does anyone seriously believe there is one chance in a billion of our fans ever stopping singing it, so ingrained as it is in our identify for generations ? There’s more chance of me switching allegiance to Chelsea than our fans giving up our identity
Secondly, since that **** baddiel started this (because he’s ashamed of his own club and needs to deflect, what has happened? It’s got worse from the likes of Chelsea and West Ham, the racist abuse has intensified and our fans have become justifiably more defiant.
So in conclusion this has zero chance of success and has increased the anti Semitic abuse we find ourselves on the receiving end of.
Finally change the title of this thread. For crying out loud, YID is not a profanity, it is not a racist word any more than Muslim or Jew is, depending on the content and/or intent.
As an observant and practicing Jew, I have always felt our adopting the term yid army was one of the most powerful and profound messages of anti racism in football, and it fills me with joy and pride every time I hear it reverberating around the ground.
nothing and nobody will ever make me stop singing it.
Even if we put aside the arguments for and against from inside the club and outside, does anyone seriously believe there is one chance in a billion of our fans ever stopping singing it, so ingrained as it is in our identify for generations ? There’s more chance of me switching allegiance to Chelsea than our fans giving up our identity
Secondly, since that **** baddiel started this (because he’s ashamed of his own club and needs to deflect, what has happened? It’s got worse from the likes of Chelsea and West Ham, the racist abuse has intensified and our fans have become justifiably more defiant.
So in conclusion this has zero chance of success and has increased the anti Semitic abuse we find ourselves on the receiving end of.
Finally change the title of this thread. For crying out loud, YID is not a profanity, it is not a racist word any more than Muslim or Jew is, depending on the content and/or intent.
As an observant and practicing Jew, I have always felt our adopting the term yid army was one of the most powerful and profound messages of anti racism in football, and it fills me with joy and pride every time I hear it reverberating around the ground.
nothing and nobody will ever make me stop singing it.
Even if we put aside the arguments for and against from inside the club and outside, does anyone seriously believe there is one chance in a billion of our fans ever stopping singing it, so ingrained as it is in our identify for generations ? There’s more chance of me switching allegiance to Chelsea than our fans giving up our identity
Secondly, since that **** baddiel started this (because he’s ashamed of his own club and needs to deflect, what has happened? It’s got worse from the likes of Chelsea and West Ham, the racist abuse has intensified and our fans have become justifiably more defiant.
So in conclusion this has zero chance of success and has increased the anti Semitic abuse we find ourselves on the receiving end of.
Finally change the title of this thread. For crying out loud, YID is not a profanity, it is not a racist word any more than Muslim or Jew is, depending on the content and/or intent.
They brought in lip readers to try and find out if someone in the crowd had shouted something racist at Rudiger so I assume they could pick up hissing as well.
Perfect example of PC gone mad if what you suggested is happening but as it isn't is completely irrelevant.In the Oxford Dictionary this year:
Quick question, as the word Bagel is used by some as a derogatory term, do we no longer use this word? Do we ban shops from selling things called 'bagels' now?
- bagel, n., sense 2a: “slang. U.S. derogatory and offensive. A Jewish person.”
- bagel, n., sense 2b: “slang. South African (usually derogatory). A type of wealthy young Jewish man characterized as being spoilt and materialistic with a distinctively…”
See how the insane PC of it all spirals out of control?
Perfect example of PC gone mad if what you suggested is happening but as it isn't is completely irrelevant.
Nope, making things up to prove a point achieves nothing.It isn't yet but do you see the slippery slope it leads down?
People have started to use the world Bagel I'm a derogatory manner, does that necessarily mean it's a derogatory word?
I'm not Jewish so I cannot pass judgement or relate to the use of the word yiddo but if we are looking to ban it due to its use on occasions in a derogatory fashion, surely the word Bagel comes under scrutiny as well be it now or eventually right?
I would maybe take Baddiel seriously if he were even a genuine football fan, and wasn't just pretending to be one because he hosted a comedy football show back in the 90s.
Nope, making things up to prove a point achieves nothing.
I have said before Baddiel's comparisons of the n word with Yid isn't very irrelevant as the two words have very different histories and usages.
Bagel and Yid have even less in common.
The word Yid actually does have a history of being offensive in certain circumstances. A lot of Jewish people have said they find our usage offensive and unsettling. Why do we have to dumb this down to PC gone mad.
There is a street near me called Man Street. I saw an American feminist saying she finds the word "man" offensive so wants its usage to stop being used. Isn't it mental and PC gone mad that the street close to me will have its name changed? Lets ignore the fact that it isn't having its name changed and we are making something up to pretend the world has gone crazy. The world in your head might be crazy, but reality not so much.
LOL, I am not saying you made up the dictionary definition of bagel. But you did make up a ridiculous situation where PC has gone mad because we could ban the word bagel when nothing of the sort is happening.I'm not making things up. Look at the Oxford English Dictionary website to see for yourself that Bagel has been added as a derogatory word used to describe Jewish people.
Please look at it before accusing me of making things up. My question is if that's a derogatory word now, where does the PC of it all end?
In the Oxford Dictionary this year:
Quick question, as the word Bagel is used by some as a derogatory term, do we no longer use this word? Do we ban shops from selling things called 'bagels' now?
- bagel, n., sense 2a: “slang. U.S. derogatory and offensive. A Jewish person.”
- bagel, n., sense 2b: “slang. South African (usually derogatory). A type of wealthy young Jewish man characterized as being spoilt and materialistic with a distinctively…”
See how the insane PC of it all spirals out of control?
You're being ridiculous. If people start using other anti semetic terms in chants then deal with anyone singing them.
Honest the word bagel (and I live in Norf America) has never been used as a derogatory word as far as I know. Maybe it's the equivalent of Donut and that too is not a derogatory word (in fact I just made that up)In the Oxford Dictionary this year:
Quick question, as the word Bagel is used by some as a derogatory term, do we no longer use this word? Do we ban shops from selling things called 'bagels' now?
- bagel, n., sense 2a: “slang. U.S. derogatory and offensive. A Jewish person.”
- bagel, n., sense 2b: “slang. South African (usually derogatory). A type of wealthy young Jewish man characterized as being spoilt and materialistic with a distinctively…”
See how the insane PC of it all spirals out of control?
Correct me if I'm wrong though, is Bagel now in the Oxford Dictionary as being a derogatory word for Jewish people?
Home : Oxford English Dictionary
The OED is the definitive record of the English language, featuring 600,000 words, 3 million quotations, and over 1,000 years of English.www.oed.com
Please check and let me know if you see it classified as a derogatory term and if it should get scrutinised now because of such developments around the word in some parts of the world.
As mentioned, I'm purposely being ridiculous to play devils advocate. I know and you know it's ridiculous but if both are seen as derogatory in some levels, why should both not get scrutinised?
Correct me if I'm wrong though, is Bagel now in the Oxford Dictionary as being a derogatory word for Jewish people?
Home : Oxford English Dictionary
The OED is the definitive record of the English language, featuring 600,000 words, 3 million quotations, and over 1,000 years of English.www.oed.com
Please check and let me know if you see it classified as a derogatory term and if it should get scrutinised now because of such developments around the word in some parts of the world.
As mentioned, I'm purposely being ridiculous to play devils advocate. I know and you know it's ridiculous but if both are seen as derogatory in some levels, why should both not get scrutinised?
But they could which is why PC has gone mad and our usage of Yid is now completely justified.No one is going to ban the word bagel if it's used in the normal context. If it becomes part of a chant that thousands of people are using then it would need to be seriously looked at.