The worst collection of strikers in the league

[rez9000]

I knew I shouldn't have come onto this site.......

K N E E J E R K

No, matey, it isn't. This situation has been going for ages.

I think people should actually think before using the word 'kneejerk'. The reason that issues such as this are seen more often after a bad result is because people will be more inclined to celebrate a good result and ignore the weaknesses.

So, let's put the kneejerk rubbish aside, yes? If for no other reason than it's obvious to anyone with the first ounce of knowledge that our strikers are woefully undereqipped. They have attributes but none of them have it in the right combination for Spurs.

That's not kneejerk, that's the fact of the matter. A bad result does not have some magical aspect that renders the truth kneejerk.

 

[sussex.spur]

I still think one of the reasons our forwards are scoring less goals this season is that Modric is playing deeper since Hudlestone got injured. It feels like Modric was also moved deeper to allow space for VDV. I really like VDV, he's a great player, but he has changed the balance of the team, which has resulted in most of our goals coming from Bale and VDV (both of which didn't play last night).

 

[SpurSince57]

I still think one of the reasons our forwards are scoring less goals this season is that Modric is playing deeper since Hudlestone got injured. It feels like Modric was also moved deeper to allow space for VDV. I really like VDV, he's a great player, but he has changed the balance of the team, which has resulted in most of our goals coming from Bale and VDV (both of which didn't play last night).

Defoe has had 28 shots, half of them on target, in 892 minutes; that's a goal attempt roughly every half-hour, pretty much the same as last season, so it's not want of chances caused by changes in personnel and line-up. Quite simply, if Defoe had converted the same proportion of chances as last season, he'd have scored five or six goals by now, and no-one would be complaining.

 

[Kendall]

Come on kids. Talk of throwing Kane into a pressure cooker-like run-in for the Champions League because he has a bunch of academy goals and a couple for Orient?

All I can hear is desperate scrapings of the barrell. He may be good, but now is not the time.

 

[Kendall]

Defoe has had 28 shots, half of them on target, in 892 minutes; that's a goal attempt roughly every half-hour, pretty much the same as last season, so it's not want of chances caused by changes in personnel and line-up. Quite simply, if Defoe had converted the same proportion of chances as last season, he'd have scored five or six goals by now, and no-one would be complaining.

Doesn't really take into account the difficulty of chances. You find as a striker is off form, they become more speculative with their shooting and try and force the issue.

I haven't seen Defoe be sent clear as often as he was last season, the supply to him is of notably less quality this season.

 

[ShelfSide18]

No, matey, it isn't. This situation has been going for ages.

I think people should actually think before using the word 'kneejerk'. The reason that issues such as this are seen more often after a bad result is because people will be more inclined to celebrate a good result and ignore the weaknesses.

So, let's put the kneejerk rubbish aside, yes? If for no other reason than it's obvious to anyone with the first ounce of knowledge that our strikers are woefully undereqipped. They have attributes but none of them have it in the right combination for Spurs.

That's not kneejerk, that's the fact of the matter. A bad result does not have some magical aspect that renders the truth kneejerk.

Rez, I get your point, jeez I've been saying for a while now that we desperately need a new striker, but this thread - and a stack load more every time we lose - was made before the referees whistle had finished blowing.

It seems a bit reactionary and yes kneejerk, the point made may be sound enough, but to me it smacks of having to say something, rather than having something to say. And they certainly aren't useless as the OP suggests, I'm sure if he had cooled off, collected his thoughts and then created a thread he may have been a little more considered.

 

[Kendall]

I think what you're seeing is not knees jerking, but those who were clinging desperately to the hope that our strikers would turn the corner eventually losing faith.

 

[Bobbins]

It's such a knee-jerk to start shouting knee-jerk.

 

[Kendall]

:lol:

 

[rez9000]

Rez, I get your point, jeez I've been saying for a while now that we desperately need a new striker, but this thread - and a stack load more every time we lose - was made before the referees whistle had finished blowing.

It seems a bit reactionary and yes kneejerk, the point made may be sound enough, but to me it smacks of having to say something, rather than having something to say. And they certainly aren't useless as the OP suggests, I'm sure if he had cooled off, collected his thoughts and then created a thread he may have been a little more considered.

I think the tone of the opening post could be considered a little reactionary.

But in this particular instance, the sheer number of chances that we failed to convert last night means that the issue is germane to both the game and the general striker situation.

Personally, I don't think that our strikers are fundamentally bad - they're all internationals with respectable scoring records. They just aren't good for us - the Darren Bent factor.

But last night was horrendous.

If the OP had said 'Spurs are shit and are going to get relegated', that would be kneejerk. The whole point of a kneejerk reaction is that it's not based on anything other than the defeat.

If Defoe and Pav had each between 10 and 15 goals already this season, and someone had stated that they were useless (or similar) after last night's performance, that would be kneejerk. A kneejerk reaction is rarely rational.

The striker problem has been around for some time and was highlighted to the maximum degree last night. That's why my own personal opinion is that it's not a kneejerk reaction, but the reaction of someone/some people who have utterly lost patience with our strikers.

What makes it worse is that fact that there is absolutely nothing short of blooding one of our youngsters that can be done about it. There is no way for us to get another striker in otherwise. One can't condemn some the chance to vent the frustration that's built up over the past few months.

Yes, there certainly are plenty of threads about, but I think that's a symptom of two things:

1) The striker problem being pretty much the only thing wrong with Spurs right now (from a general point of view); and,
2) That if the striker issue causes many more dropped points (as it most certainly did last night), we could miss out on CL football next year and then find it harder to compete next season.

This season is key. Wages are not the only thing that has been a barrier to attracting players. In fact, I would consider it a minor issue. I think the main reason we couldn't get a marquee signing in January was because players are waiting to see if our CL qualification was a flash in the pan or something we can sustain.

So, misfiring/unsuitable strikers, frustration and fear of losing the lodestone of CL football, and no prospect of change has all lead to some very edgy Spurs fans (myself among them).

It's hardly surprising that this subject rears its head over and over again. I'm more taken aback by the relatively moderate tone the majority of posts have been.

 

[Azrael]

^ Frankly this issue is about as far away from kneejerk as you can get.

 

[ShelfSide18]

^ Frankly this issue is about as far away from kneejerk as you can get.

The issue isn't, the timing and tone of the thread I think is.

It's obviously a concern for us our strikers, but they certainly aren't the worst in the league, nor useless or all of the thing the OP suggests.

Rez, you make good points, as usual, I just think threads like this could be done with a lot more thought, a bit more perspective and with more incisive opinion y'know? I think a lot of us just get a little tired of coming into Spurs chat after a game to see a raft of threads not really saying much at all, just post match adrenaline talking ten to the dozen!

 

[rez9000]

The issue isn't, the timing and tone of the thread I think is.

It's obviously a concern for us our strikers, but they certainly aren't the worst in the league, nor useless or all of the thing the OP suggests.

Rez, you make good points, as usual, I just think threads like this could be done with a lot more thought, a bit more perspective and with more incisive opinion y'know? I think a lot of us just get a little tired of coming into Spurs chat after a game to see a raft of threads not really saying much at all, just post match adrenaline talking ten to the dozen!

That's certainly true. I avoided SC last night, for that very reason.

 

[Azrael]

Rez, you make good points, as usual, I just think threads like this could be done with a lot more thought, a bit more perspective and with more incisive opinion y'know? I think a lot of us just get a little tired of coming into Spurs chat after a game to see a raft of threads not really saying much at all, just post match adrenaline talking ten to the dozen!

Price of being a football fan. Doesn't bother me because most of those threads and posts are brief and usually posted by people who otherwise don't frequent the board much. They are easy to ignore and avoid.

 

[Kendall]

"kneejerk" and "fickle" are the biggest buzz phrases/buzzwords on this forum and it make me lulz.

 

[Gilzeanking]

No, matey, it isn't. This situation has been going for ages.

I think people should actually think before using the word 'kneejerk'. The reason that issues such as this are seen more often after a bad result is because people will be more inclined to celebrate a good result and ignore the weaknesses.
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Spot on .