The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[yido_number1]

I know levy has made some mistakes, but when you look at the potential alternatives I’m genuinely surprised by the levy/enic out movement.

Out of those who could afford to buy spurs there seems very little examples of something better.

Saudi blood money?
glazers leveraged buy out?
Todd boely?

please do mine point me in the direction of some examples that would be an improvement on enic, even with their faults.

everton? Leicester?

Liverpool owners probably the only ones who seem relatively competent and moral.

may least levy is well intentioned even if he doesn’t always make good decisions.
Better the devil you know…

Leicester have gone from the championship to the league title under their owner. They might be in the shit now but they will always have that title.

Brighton - championship to competing for Europe

Villa - bought when nearly out of business competing for champions league with solid investment.

Brentford - very well run club with clear strategy

Newcastle - would take their owners any day

City - leagues above us

Liverpool - ambitious and sustainable

Arsenal - outspend us every year and still winning way more than us during a baron period

Chelsea - might be a laughing stock right now but Boehly is investing and they will win the league/ cups before us

UTD - commercially and strategically miles ahead of us. We could only dream to be them and have the backing ETH had recently.

Levy isn't a god because he has done a load of property deals. In my opinion he got lucky with Poch and Redknapp. The rest show where we really are.

 

[Misfit]

Leicester have gone from the championship to the league title under their owner. They might be in the shit now but they will always have that title.

Brighton - championship to competing for Europe

Villa - bought when nearly out of business competing for champions league with solid investment.

Brentford - very well run club with clear strategy

Newcastle - would take their owners any day

City - leagues above us

Liverpool - ambitious and sustainable

Arsenal - outspend us every year and still winning way more than us during a baron period

Chelsea - might be a laughing stock right now but Boehly is investing and they will win the league/ cups before us

UTD - commercially and strategically miles ahead of us. We could only dream to be them and have the backing ETH had recently.

Levy isn't a god because he has done a load of property deals. In my opinion he got lucky with Poch and Redknapp. The rest show where we really are.

Harsh but fair

 

[Dan Stallworthy]

I think the hatred for Levy will be at it's all time highest if poch signs for Chelsea, at least for a high percentage of the fanbase.

A large portion of fans literally chanting his name every game making it clear they want him back and we all know he would come back if asked.

If Chelsea get Poch and our next manager fails there will be uproar.

 

[mil1lion]

We obviously got financial challenges during the building that wasn't planned. Spiraling costs both in materials and the ambition of the project.
The years we didn't spend came as we posted world record profit levels for a football club, which gave us the financial standing needed to convince the banks to refinance our depth long term at a ridiculous low rate. In hindsight a move that might have saved us as we could have crumbled during Covid shut down if we were sitting with the largest depth football has ever seen on short term.

Pochettino was given options in the windows without transfers, we could of course have sold players and reinvested.
His decision was to rather hold onto his players, which led everything to go stale - not that I blame him, it was challenging process, I'm however a bit disappointed that he lost faith and commitment to see it through.
Purely sporting wise it was the moment to push on, but you could also sit here today with a non league club without a ground if clowns had ran the club in stead of Levy.

The blame against Levy for not getting everything 100% with the stadium knowing what the nation and the world went through in those years is very unfair.

That's a massive overreaction. A non league club without a ground? Come on now
I think you underestimate how wealthy we are and how financially stable a top premier league club is. Not to mention how wealthy ENIC are who are not only about Spurs. It's just a matter of how dedicated they are to football and the success on the pitch as to what they decide to spend. Stadium was more important to them as an investment company than football success. Nobody is saying go spend like Chelsea or go crazy spending , just dare to fucking do.

 

[yido_number1]

I think the hatred for Levy will be at it's all time highest if poch signs for Chelsea, at least for a high percentage of the fanbase.

A large portion of fans literally chanting his name every game making it clear they want him back and we all know he would come back if asked.

If Chelsea get Poch and our next manager fails there will be uproar.

Higher percentage opportunity the next manager delivers less than Poch than more. I would take good football and the journey under poch Vs more yo-yo action under the next 3 managers in 6 years we're likely to have.

 

[chas vs dave]

Leicester have gone from the championship to the league title under their owner. They might be in the shit now but they will always have that title.

Brighton - championship to competing for Europe

Villa - bought when nearly out of business competing for champions league with solid investment.

Brentford - very well run club with clear strategy

Newcastle - would take their owners any day

City - leagues above us

Liverpool - ambitious and sustainable

Arsenal - outspend us every year and still winning way more than us during a baron period

Chelsea - might be a laughing stock right now but Boehly is investing and they will win the league/ cups before us

UTD - commercially and strategically miles ahead of us. We could only dream to be them and have the backing ETH had recently.

Levy isn't a god because he has done a load of property deals. In my opinion he got lucky with Poch and Redknapp. The rest show where we really are.

Brighton, leicester, villa, Newcastle, Chelsea, Leicester, man city are all money cheats. Just for reference, villa now don't own villa Park. They sold it to the owners to try and get around ffp.

Arsenal have been borrowing money, there is no reason as to how they can outspend us.

Utd are strategically miles ahead of us? They've spent over 1 billion more than us in the last 5 years, yet we've been about neck and neck with them.

Levy has turned Spurs into a club that can financially compete with Chelsea, Liverpool, etc...

That's a fact. The issue is that teams above it have an unfair advantage, and unless ffp has teeth, then city will win the next 10 leagues before someone asks why it isn't competitive.

 

[mil1lion]

All the top clubs in the league are financially well off regardless. It's the wealthiest league in the world far outspending the other leagues. ENIC are wealthy as fuck , they just don't have ambition to build the football team to win titles. Sorry but it costs money to succeed. Money cheats Might be worth to check our history because we were the rich club back in the day breaking transfer records to succeed. We had on field ambition back then though.

 

[chas vs dave]

All the top clubs in the league are financially well off regardless. It's the wealthiest league in the world far outspending the other leagues. ENIC are wealthy as fuck , they just don't have ambition to build the football team to win titles. Sorry but it costs money to succeed. Money cheats Might be worth to check our history because we were the rich club back in the day breaking transfer records to succeed. We had on field ambition back then though.

It should only cost what you can earn. That idea was changed by thr likes of roman abrahmovic, and then escalated by qatar, and Abu dhabi.

It's a severe problem in the league. Utd have spent over a billion on transfers, and gotten nowhere near city.

 

[yido_number1]

Brighton, leicester, villa, Newcastle, Chelsea, Leicester, man city are all money cheats. Just for reference, villa now don't own villa Park. They sold it to the owners to try and get around ffp.

Arsenal have been borrowing money, there is no reason as to how they can outspend us.

Utd are strategically miles ahead of us? They've spent over 1 billion more than us in the last 5 years, yet we've been about neck and neck with them.

Levy has turned Spurs into a club that can financially compete with Chelsea, Liverpool, etc...

That's a fact. The issue is that teams above it have an unfair advantage, and unless ffp has teeth, then city will win the next 10 leagues before someone asks why it isn't competitive.

The op said who would you prefer. I would prefer any of the above. Enic own spurs in the same way the villa owners own the ground.

We are anchor tenants. Remember levy said that.

 

[Duke of Northumberland]

Sorry but the stadium was an investment separate from the transfer policy and that's what we were told. Besides it's paid over many years so it's not like we had this massive outlay stopping us spending at the time. It's also not like we didn't have Wembley gate receipts and CL football income to help. You make it sound like we had no money until the stadium was fully open.
Even if we go along with your idea that it impacted our ability to spend we still didn't do enough under Poch. We could have at least sold and signed players with the money, loaned in players and got free transfers with little net spend. To sign 0 players was a joke, then to still only sign 3 senior players the following summer when we needed a rebuild by that point set us back years.
If the plan was to let the squad decline over 3 or 4 years until the stadium was open and then build the squad back up then it's a bad approach. It just leaves us with much more work to do in a shorter space of time. For an investment company it would surely make sense to keep investing into the squad each year and spread the investment cost over time. Keep the squad competing and have better chance of CL football and income (rather than the Europa and Conference that followed).
If we just pushed at the time when we were at the top under Poch then the long term gain would pay off anything we spent on the squad during the stadium build. Instead the squad went into a downward spiral, we went from 2nd to 3rd to 4th and didn't react to it. We ended up with Europa and Conference, didn't even go that far in either and ended up paying high wages for 2 high profile managers.
So now we're just spending enough for a summer when we need 2 or 3 summers worth of signings for the squad to make up ground. So it does matter for example if we only start to match Arsenal in 1 window when they've rebuilt over the past few windows. A team we've just scraped ahead of the last few seasons who are spending what we spend now without the decline in squad we have. They're closer to a point where they will only need 2 or 3 important signings a year similar to what City and Liverpool have been doing. We still need about 2 summer windows before we get to that point.

I agree we could/should have invested more at times of strength, and have paid for that inactive summer, but I can imagine the pressures when the stadium was nowhere near ready and should have been - remember the club couldn’t find enough electricians at one point? and I can imagine spunking cash on players was not a priority, especially since Poch didn’t seem to be pushing for it. Spurs got back to spending way quicker than Arsenal after their rebuild. I think we’ll be competitive now, although now people are complaining it’s not just spending it’s not spending on Zaniolo of Fenherbahce like Conte wanted or somesuch

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Spurs must set their satnav for the right manager rather than guess at every turn | Jonathan Wilson

Tottenham need a leader who suits their style – but it’s not clear Daniel Levy has the requisite vision to pierce the gloom

www.theguardian.com

 

[mil1lion]

It should only cost what you can earn. That idea was changed by thr likes of roman abrahmovic, and then escalated by qatar, and Abu dhabi.

It's a severe problem in the league. Utd have spent over a billion on transfers, and gotten nowhere near city.

Sadly it's a matter of join in or be left behind

 

[robotsonic]

Sadly it's a matter of join in or be left behind

The cost of a soul is too many for some of us to bear, I reckon. I for one have no interest in seeing us owned by these type of characters. I'd rather watch us do it under our own steam come what may for another 40 years even if we did only win a couple of pots. I'd just want to see us play good football. You can do something in this league without these types of people associated with the club, as it's been proven.

I simply don't understand where the actual emotion comes from in watching a team win a trophy dripping in blood money. That's not what the game is about at all. Without being able to care about how it was done, any success means nothing to me. The end does not justify any means.

 

[chas vs dave]

Sadly it's a matter of join in or be left behind

Therein lies the problem. A lack of governance and control, which means only teams with extra pockets can compete.

 

[dricha1]

Spurs must set their satnav for the right manager rather than guess at every turn | Jonathan Wilson

Tottenham need a leader who suits their style – but it’s not clear Daniel Levy has the requisite vision to pierce the gloom

www.theguardian.com

Read this earlier, very fair reflection of where we are at. Next DOF and manager choices need to be spot on.

 

[GMI]

Spurs must set their satnav for the right manager rather than guess at every turn | Jonathan Wilson

Tottenham need a leader who suits their style – but it’s not clear Daniel Levy has the requisite vision to pierce the gloom

www.theguardian.com

A fair and good quality piece from Mr. Wilson.

 

[mil1lion]

The cost of a soul is too many for some of us to bear, I reckon. I for one have no interest in seeing us owned by these type of characters. I'd rather watch us do it under our own steam come what may for another 40 years even if we did only win a couple of pots. I'd just want to see us play good football. You can do something in this league without these types of people associated with the club, as it's been proven.

I simply don't understand where the actual emotion comes from in watching a team win a trophy dripping in blood money. That's not what the game is about at all. Without being able to care about how it was done, any success means nothing to me. The end does not justify any means.

I mean join in with big spending not that it has to be by getting in bed with dodgy owners. We have to spend big to keep up. I can't see being able to win things without doing so.

 

[robotsonic]

I mean join in with big spending not that it has to be by getting in bed with dodgy owners. We have to spend big to keep up. I can't see being able to win things without doing so.

Apologies if I get you wrong, but a lot of that chat seems to go hand in hand with wanting us to sell out to some dire owners for success. Someone above even saying that they'd take Newcastle's owners "any day".

I still believe that we don't have to spend big to keep up. We've not spent big in 20 years and it been a good signing, yet we're still up there. Every money signing a total flop. We just need a plan to buy toward a common objective over a period of time. We have the money over time to outcompete the entire league aside from City, United, Chelsea and Newcastle, and then it's just down to how you put it all together. We need to just stick on the right manager and ethos and not twist for a bit, imo.

 

[chas vs dave]

I mean join in with big spending not that it has to be by getting in bed with dodgy owners. We have to spend big to keep up. I can't see being able to win things without doing so.

We need to spend, yes.

Spend big, or spend better?

We spend big already, we just aren't getting value from our spending.

I do think we need to stop looking to buy players because they are on a deal, and focus on getting the right players in.

 

[ChaoticBeaver]

As I started supporting spurs in the early 90s, its hard for me to hate what Levy has done to the club. Personally I have no issue with the way things are run because I’ve seen how much worse it can be. Unless there is a big downturn, for instance we finish bottom half of the league for a couple of seasons, it doesn’t really bother me.

Seems like Levy has tried to push us on by paying for ‘elite’ level managers recently, they just weren’t the right fit and I’m not sure that was entirely his fault.