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Trix

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So, let's look at Chelsea...

How's that change of ownership going? We still keen to write off Levy? Would Todd be preferable to him for anyone wanting him out?

Or is that not the new owner you'd want? And do you think you/we would have any say whatsoever when a new owner comes along?
But Todd Boelhy so far is just Levy on steroids. They both are clearly brilliant businessmen who know fuck all about football. If either could work that out their clubs would certainly stand more chance of success. The difference between the two of them is that Boelhy hasn't worked this out in the year or so he's been at it, but Levy hasn't worked it out in the 23 years he has.
 

mil1lion

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The summer of no signings was when the project was over-time and budget, whatever we were told. The £50m last year? We've had that debate on here and someone added it all up as all spent.

The point being with the stadium business model in operation we are spending around the same as Arsenal. So no need to be upset about that. You can be upset about them playing better football but I think you'll find they'll achieve runners-up with a young team, like we did.
They're outspending us over the last 5 years as my graph clearly shows. Criminal given we've been playing CL in that time and the stadium was an investment that we were told didn't impact our ability to spend. Sorry but there is no excuse for us making 0 signings that summer either. It has taken years to claw back from that because we also only signed a few players the following summer.
The 50m I refer too is indeed from last year and it went back into the club according to itk. We chose not to spend it. So when you see the clear need to improve defence and we decide not to use 50m it really is frustrating.
We should have been more than capable to invest in the squad under Pochettino even in the old Stadium. We had CL football and we are one of the wealthiest clubs in the world playing in the richest league in the world. It's just lack of ambition whichever way you cut it. To not back Poch was criminal and has set us back years.
 

PaulM

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Maybe


I don't buy this. He's been involved at the highest level of football for 25 years...surely he would have picked up a few nuggets of understanding by now?
A few nuggets of understanding maybe. But not enough to have a big say in what players we should be targeting or who should be coaching the team.
 

Albertbarich

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Mattie boy going in 2 footed

'Greatest club in the world?' Daniel Levy has turned Spurs into a joke​

Every time staff leave Spurs, their career improves – it wouldn't be a surprise Cristian Stellini is the next to go

Daniel Levy laughed momentarily when he was asked by an audience member at the Cambridge Union "What do you think of Tottenham?" before firing back: “It’s the greatest club in the world.”
The first part of Levy’s response is currently more accurate than the second because, right now, Tottenham Hotspur, the supposed “greatest club in the world”, are a laughing stock of his making.
The resignation of Fabio Paratici means Tottenham are now “the greatest club in the world” with no permanent head coach, no managing director of football and an acting head coach who many supporters would like to see sacked.
It was apparently on the advice of Paratici, in what would have been one his last acts as a Spurs employee, that Levy agreed to retain and promote Antonio Conte’s trusted lieutenant Cristian Stellini into the hot seat for the Premier League run-in.
Now Paratici has gone and it would not be a huge surprise if Stellini and the rest of Conte’s old staff, who are probably wondering why they are still at “the greatest club in the world”, followed him before the end of the season.
Last week’s defeat at home to Bournemouth left those with knowledge of Tottenham’s inner workings speculating whether or not Stellini himself could be sacked if the team lose to Newcastle United on Sunday.
Another defeat for “the greatest club in the world” will leave Spurs six points behind Newcastle, having played a game more, and still trailing Manchester United, who will have two games in hand and a six-point cushion.

Stellini has confirmed himself to be Conte-lite, which is no bad thing and completely understandable but is not what the Tottenham fans, or some players, wanted and it certainly has not resulted in any sort of bounce. Some even rate his promotion as Levy’s worst-ever decision, but there is plenty of competition in that field.
Should Levy travel to St James’ Park on Sunday, then he will be reacquainted with a former employee, Darren Eales, who once convinced him to sing Crocodile Rock by Elton John at a Karaoke evening in Moscow.
Eales has established himself as one of the most highly-respected chief executives in football, firstly at Atlanta and now Newcastle, since leaving “the greatest club in the world” and Paratici can at least console himself that, once his ban is served, exiting Tottenham has not exactly proved to be a career killer.
On the same weekend that Newcastle, where Eales works, can put a huge dent in Tottenham’s Champions League hopes and take a step closer to confirming their own qualification, Paul Barber, another former employee of Levy, will be watching Brighton at Wembley in the semi-finals of the FA Cup.
Barber and Brighton have become envied across the Premier League for their superb work and could yet finish above “the greatest club in the world” in the Premier League table, as well retaining the dream of finishing the season with a trophy.
Next weekend will be a big one for ex-Levy employee Damien Comolli. He is now president of Toulouse, who are looking forward to a French Cup final against Nantes.
And what of a certain Jose Mourinho, fired by Levy a few days before a League Cup final Spurs then lost and shortly before the arrival of Paratici? His Roma team on Thursday night qualified for the semi-finals of the Europa League and are fourth in Serie A, on course to qualify for next season’s Champions League.
Over the past 20 years, Levy has hired 10 permanent coaches, who, between them, have won 61 trophies before and after managing Spurs. Between them all in that time, they have won one trophy at “the greatest club in the world.”
With Scott Munn not due to start work as Tottenham’s chief football officer until July 1, Levy will lead the search for his 11th permanent head coach himself. The Premier League’s longest-serving chairman remains the one constant at the club he still tells himself is the “greatest in the world” while everybody else, just as the Cambridge Union audience did, laughs along.
Gonna get himself banned from the stadium.
 

Timberwolf

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Gonna get himself banned from the stadium.
Don't feel this way about any other journos but I'm convinced Matt Law genuinely dislikes the club for some reason and gets a thrill from sticking the boot in.

Heard him talking about us on a podcast a few years back and I've never heard another jouro or pundit come across as bitter and negative about us before or since.
 

longtimespur

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Here's the thing though. Levy just needs to hand over a budget then back the fuck out of the room. Whatever Munn choses to do with that should be up to him. Not jump on if he feels it's too much money or the wrong option, or he's found a cheaper so called alternative elsewhere.

This is where the whole structure always falls to pieces. His meddling "in the best interests of the club". He's so bothered about others making mistakes and wasting money, he can't see how much he's wasted himself by making these decisions.

There's literally no point in bringing these people in if you are going to constantly micro manage all their decisions. Either trust them to do the job or don't sodding hire them in the first place.
If only I could winner this more. I been saying for ages to do exactly that. Give the budget and let the dof or Munn or whomever there is in charge of footballing side. I still don't believe he can let go of this.
The man's a control freak!!!!
 

robertgoulet

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It's been said before in here (I think) but Levy absolutely has all the symptoms of Founders Syndrome. Really hope he's finally accepting that and is ready to relinquish some control.
 

easley91

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..had the academy ever made much of an impact, it might... so probably not
If winning a cup doesn't matter in the youth set up then neither does relegation. It's all about game time and understanding positions, development etc. Results don't actually matter at that level. It's more how players develop, rather than the results.
 

sidford

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Bloody hell if Poch ends up at Chelsea the first home game after that will be some atmosphere especially if we still don't have a manager announced. Chelsea supposedly want to name a manager before end of season so could well happen.

If that happens would definitely want to be in the stadium to hear that.
 

Rocksuperstar

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tbf, I only really post in here to stir things up once in a while. I know I have no influence on what Levy or ENIC does, I just like poking angry people with sticks once in a while. Sue me, you handsome bitches ;)

Thanks for your replies, I'll read them in a bit - It wasn't all a wind up, I just thing some people have this vision of the future wearing the pinkest tinted shades, not acknowledging that it's all 100% hypothetical and the grass might not be greener. It might be but it's as much a risk as any other change in personnel and I feel frustration is leading some people to want to jump blindly into the dark simply to change things, for better or worse, and that concerns me a wee bit.

Some saying Levy needs to just keep pumping in money and stfu - how many of you would be happy to entrust your finances and by default the financial stability of your business, to someone who may or may not be as committed and talented as you hope they are? It's way more complicated than that and all it would take is for the golden combination of a manager and squad to succeed and we'd all be over it and enjoying our day.
 

DJS

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It's been said before in here (I think) but Levy absolutely has all the symptoms of Founders Syndrome. Really hope he's finally accepting that and is ready to relinquish some control.
He was supposed to have accepted this last summer but still doesn’t seem to have learnt.
 

Wiener

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But Todd Boelhy so far is just Levy on steroids. They both are clearly brilliant businessmen who know fuck all about football. If either could work that out their clubs would certainly stand more chance of success. The difference between the two of them is that Boelhy hasn't worked this out in the year or so he's been at it, but Levy hasn't worked it out in the 23 years he has.
I know nothing about Boehly but he has the whiff of someone way out of his depth. And Chelsea look like they could be in big trouble on a number of fronts.
 

Trix

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I know nothing about Boehly but he has the whiff of someone way out of his depth. And Chelsea look like they could be in big trouble on a number of fronts.
I posted about it at the time mate but he was a laughing stock amongst agents all last Summer.
 

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Just because an owner elsewhere is bad that doesn't mean we should stick with ours. For all their fans' complaints Liverpool's new owners brought them every trophy available and were it not for a financially doped City they would have had two more league titles, does that case study mean we should want rid of Levy or does it simply cancel out Boehly?

This is an interesting post, so that one season and this subsequent poor season (from, what on the surface appears to be, one bad transfer decision and not enough young blood in), would that satisfy our fans? Or would we all be crying false dawn?

We came close under Poch, so would staying with him in the same way the 'pool have stuck with Klopp been a better option? How long do/should managers get to settle the squad?

If anything, are we annoyed at Levy for moving managers on too soon? Just not sure on what the specifics are that we know, for facts, rather than demands born of frustration.
 

Darth Vega

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This is an interesting post, so that one season and this subsequent poor season (from, what on the surface appears to be, one bad transfer decision and not enough young blood in), would that satisfy our fans? Or would we all be crying false dawn?

We came close under Poch, so would staying with him in the same way the 'pool have stuck with Klopp been a better option? How long do/should managers get to settle the squad?

If anything, are we annoyed at Levy for moving managers on too soon? Just not sure on what the specifics are that we know, for facts, rather than demands born of frustration.
I'm not sure what seasons you're referring to in your first paragraph but the point I was making in reply to your first post was that the failure of owners at other clubs doesn't mean we should stick with our owner forever.

My opinion is that Levy has made enough mistakes that justify wanting his removal. It's entirely possible that we get new owners that are worse, the same, or better, but the idea that we should keep Levy just because the next guy could be worse is ridiculous.

When you apply it in another context it makes even less sense: Lloris isn't very good at the moment but we could feasibly spend tens of millions on his replacement and this replacement could end up being even worse, therefore we should keep Lloris until he retires.
 

Thenewcat

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But Todd Boelhy so far is just Levy on steroids. They both are clearly brilliant businessmen who know fuck all about football. If either could work that out their clubs would certainly stand more chance of success. The difference between the two of them is that Boelhy hasn't worked this out in the year or so he's been at it, but Levy hasn't worked it out in the 23 years he has.
Agree they are both flawed football people but there is a fundamental difference - Boehly is throwing money at the problem in clueless fashion, Levy does the opposite by micromanaging spend and thinking he knows best. I’d Levy had Boehly’s budget he’d do very well
 

chas vs dave

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Mattie boy going in 2 footed

'Greatest club in the world?' Daniel Levy has turned Spurs into a joke​

Every time staff leave Spurs, their career improves – it wouldn't be a surprise Cristian Stellini is the next to go

Daniel Levy laughed momentarily when he was asked by an audience member at the Cambridge Union "What do you think of Tottenham?" before firing back: “It’s the greatest club in the world.”
The first part of Levy’s response is currently more accurate than the second because, right now, Tottenham Hotspur, the supposed “greatest club in the world”, are a laughing stock of his making.
The resignation of Fabio Paratici means Tottenham are now “the greatest club in the world” with no permanent head coach, no managing director of football and an acting head coach who many supporters would like to see sacked.
It was apparently on the advice of Paratici, in what would have been one his last acts as a Spurs employee, that Levy agreed to retain and promote Antonio Conte’s trusted lieutenant Cristian Stellini into the hot seat for the Premier League run-in.
Now Paratici has gone and it would not be a huge surprise if Stellini and the rest of Conte’s old staff, who are probably wondering why they are still at “the greatest club in the world”, followed him before the end of the season.
Last week’s defeat at home to Bournemouth left those with knowledge of Tottenham’s inner workings speculating whether or not Stellini himself could be sacked if the team lose to Newcastle United on Sunday.
Another defeat for “the greatest club in the world” will leave Spurs six points behind Newcastle, having played a game more, and still trailing Manchester United, who will have two games in hand and a six-point cushion.

Stellini has confirmed himself to be Conte-lite, which is no bad thing and completely understandable but is not what the Tottenham fans, or some players, wanted and it certainly has not resulted in any sort of bounce. Some even rate his promotion as Levy’s worst-ever decision, but there is plenty of competition in that field.
Should Levy travel to St James’ Park on Sunday, then he will be reacquainted with a former employee, Darren Eales, who once convinced him to sing Crocodile Rock by Elton John at a Karaoke evening in Moscow.
Eales has established himself as one of the most highly-respected chief executives in football, firstly at Atlanta and now Newcastle, since leaving “the greatest club in the world” and Paratici can at least console himself that, once his ban is served, exiting Tottenham has not exactly proved to be a career killer.
On the same weekend that Newcastle, where Eales works, can put a huge dent in Tottenham’s Champions League hopes and take a step closer to confirming their own qualification, Paul Barber, another former employee of Levy, will be watching Brighton at Wembley in the semi-finals of the FA Cup.
Barber and Brighton have become envied across the Premier League for their superb work and could yet finish above “the greatest club in the world” in the Premier League table, as well retaining the dream of finishing the season with a trophy.
Next weekend will be a big one for ex-Levy employee Damien Comolli. He is now president of Toulouse, who are looking forward to a French Cup final against Nantes.
And what of a certain Jose Mourinho, fired by Levy a few days before a League Cup final Spurs then lost and shortly before the arrival of Paratici? His Roma team on Thursday night qualified for the semi-finals of the Europa League and are fourth in Serie A, on course to qualify for next season’s Champions League.
Over the past 20 years, Levy has hired 10 permanent coaches, who, between them, have won 61 trophies before and after managing Spurs. Between them all in that time, they have won one trophy at “the greatest club in the world.”
With Scott Munn not due to start work as Tottenham’s chief football officer until July 1, Levy will lead the search for his 11th permanent head coach himself. The Premier League’s longest-serving chairman remains the one constant at the club he still tells himself is the “greatest in the world” while everybody else, just as the Cambridge Union audience did, laughs along.

You'd think a respected journalist could actually quote Levy properly.

If I recall, levy said that tottenham are the biggest club in the world to him. That's a different context.

I will try and find his comment in the interview.
 
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