The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[dontcallme]

I get that and agree, but a lot believed that it would lead to is being attractive to big players. Not the case as evidenced with Rabiot, Morata etc.
It’s about wages (for a lot of players)

Agree. I have often argued with my friends that CL alone is not the biggest pull.

City bought half Arsenal’s team when Arsenal were in CL and City weren’t.

We have bought players from Ajax when we didn’t have CL.

It helps in the big scheme of things but isn’t the singular pull some make out it is.

 

[SugarRay]

I think that Sessegnon could have the same impact under Poch as Alli or Jadon Sancho

I just dont see it with him. he’s looked very very average in the Prem. Dele oozed class from the second he took to the pitch in this division.

I hope I’m wrong though. I’m an England fan too

 

[danielneeds]

I just dont see it with him. he’s looked very very average in the Prem. Dele oozed class from the second he took to the pitch in this division.

I hope I’m wrong though. I’m an England fan too

Dele had Poch's strong structure to back him up. Fulham have been all over the shop this season. He's still put in some delicious balls for Mitrovic.

 

[dontcallme]

I just dont see it with him. he’s looked very very average in the Prem. Dele oozed class from the second he took to the pitch in this division.

I hope I’m wrong though. I’m an England fan too

He is an interesting player. He isn’t that skilful so won’t stand out in a weak team.

He seems quite good at pass and move so could thrive at a better team.

I wouldn’t be in favour or against based on this season.

Hopefully our scouts can determine if he is a good player in a weak team or just not up to level.

Based on the little I have seen if Fulham this season I cannot really judge.

 

[danielneeds]

He is an interesting player. He isn’t that skilful so won’t stand out in a weak team.

He seems quite good at pass and move so could thrive at a better team.

I wouldn’t be in favour or against based on this season.

Hopefully our scouts can determine if he is a good player in a weak team or just not up to level.

Based on the little I have seen if Fulham thus season I cannot really judge.

Indeed. Because he's not a dribbler like a Sancho, some people don't rate him. He's got amazing decsion-making for an 18-year-old. He so often plays the right ball, makes the right run.

 

[vegassd]

I get that and agree, but a lot believed that it would lead to is being attractive to big players. Not the case as evidenced with Rabiot, Morata etc.
It’s about wages (for a lot of players)

I think it's about removing as many hurdles as possible when it comes to holding on to players and getting new ones in.

We're likely seen as the smallest of the big clubs in England so if we're not in the CL it would substantiate that idea and give players a reason to not join. It will be the same thing with the stadium and training facilities... I don't know if many players would choose to join because they are great, but some may have chosen not to join if they were old and a bit tatty.

Money can cut through all that which is how it worked for Chelsea and City. But we're not in that position so have to do all that ground work which has been taking an age. Hopefully we are getting close to the point where there is nothing left to spend on apart from players and we can start to see what Poch can do with a bit more wedge.

 

[ernie78]

I don't know if many players would choose to join because they are great, but some may have chosen not to join if they were old and a bit tatty

Not sure tbh. Not many teams (even Man U and Chelsea) in the PL have anywhere near our facilities yet can attract players. I mean Players are joining West Ham and their training facilities are laughable for a PL side.
If I’m looking for a new job the flashy office is very nice but if I’m going to get double my money hotdesking somewhere else then I’m hotdesking for a while.

 

[shelfboy68]

Not sure tbh. Not many teams (even Man U and Chelsea) in the PL have anywhere near our facilities yet can attract players. I mean Players are joining West Ham and their training facilities are laughable for a PL side.
If I’m looking for a new job the flashy office is very nice but if I’m going to get double my money hotdesking somewhere else then I’m hotdesking for a while.

Yep big wages and a realistic chance of possibly winning things is at the forefront of a players mind not we have the best showers in the league Mr Messi so please come and join us it isn't going to happen.

 

[Gb160]

Why is this even being discussed?...anyone who doesn't think that wages is the driving factor when it comes to signing players isn't very bright.

 

[Tottenhamboy85]

 

[Shadydan]

Why is this even being discussed?...anyone who doesn't think that wages is the driving factor when it comes to signing players isn't very bright.

Because we lost a match, people always bring up nonsense about the manager when we lose, should be used to it by now.

 

[Lighty64]

the cult of Pochettino has become so huge that you can't think highly of him AND still question in any way his ability to win. it has to be one or the other. but it's really annoying, because as obviously-talented a manager as he is, he is also quite evidently flawed. this is a pattern now, we've repeatedly been unable to get ourselves over the line. anyone that thinks this will magically change when he is given more money, whether at Tottenham or anyone else, is simply deluding themselves.

to get over the line you need some luck

his 1st season we managed to get to the Final, but had to face Chelsea not that easy at the time

3rd season we get to the Semi's we have to face Chelsea, okay the other 2 opponents were tough ones being Man C and Arsenal

4th season we get drawn v Man U, a bit of luck would of seen us play Southampton

5th season we play Chelsea, with a little bit of luck we would of played Burton

now if we had lost to an easy opponent in every big match then perhaps his talent could be questioned. the only time he did something really weird was playing Son as LWB

Why is Poch making so many tacticl errors and only correcting it at half time?

with Davies going off earlier bringing on another sub in the 1st half isn't the best thing to do, and had he done that and a 3rd before Sissoko got injured we would of only had 10 men

 

[Lighty64]

I guess reading between the lines Foyth was promised that should a CL spot become available he'd be next in line, and that to break that promise would probably see him lose faith and want to look elsewhere.

if we don't sign anyone, he can promote Foyth in Dembele's spot

I get where you’re coming from. But I don’t think it’s difficult to argue we could have won at least an FA cup, League cup, or even Europa league (slightly unfair given we’ve been in champs league most of the time).

the real issue is poch only really sees champs league and premier league as worth winning.

he said they are the comps that will take us up a level. if he didn't think the other comps which we have been to 1 final and 3 semi's in aren't worth winning, then why would he play with a strongish squad in most. the only 1 he let himself down badly with was gent away in the Europa

I get that and agree, but a lot believed that it would lead to is being attractive to big players. Not the case as evidenced with Rabiot, Morata etc.
It’s about wages (for a lot of players)

can only be attractive if you can pay the wages, and until we get in the new stadium we can't offer them wages that Arsenal, Liverpool and being closer to Chelsea can

 

[markiespurs]

Indeed. Because he's not a dribbler like a Sancho, some people don't rate him. He's got amazing decsion-making for an 18-year-old. He so often plays the right ball, makes the right run.

This is the key part right here

The lad is 18 years old and playing in a poor Fulham side. It’s also his first season playing in the Prem.

For me, Sess has all the ingrediants to be a top player in the right team and under the right manager.

 

[DCSPUR]

These quotes from Poch on the final season are so important and it is bloomin disgraceful that so many of our own fans brush past this in an analysis of his tenure and the team over the last 3-4 years. I don't expect the media to bring it up (not because of a conspiracy but because journos have the attention span of a gnat) but our own fans skip past it.
Any fair minded person would analyze the team and its performances in light of three key factors and recognize that Poch, the staff and the team have MASSIVELY over performed and continue to do so:
1. Net investment/ spend compared to rivals (and put in context that rivals like City and Chelscum had won nothing until their owners spent hundreds of millions of pounds net)
2. No home ground for almost 2 seasons after an unbeaten final season at the lane
3. Mentality surrounding the club

The work has been amazing and Poch is a proud person not to bring this stuff up all the time - I respect him even more for that. Look at bloomin Maureen, Pep and Klopp....have everything handed to them and still complain.

"And still if you said to me, we are competitive, of course. We have a mentality to win, yes. We fight, yes. We finish in the last three or four seasons in a very good position in the table, yes. We are always close to the last step, yes. But now to achieve the last step is the most difficult thing.

"The problem is, at the moment the team needed the last push, what happened in this process, in this club, with this generation of player? We build, we build, we build but then White Hart Lane gone, we moved to Wembley. All the doubts about how we are going to behave, the example of West Ham first season and many things in this process that stopped the evolution of the team about to win. But no one says anything.
"Remember, we were unbeaten, 19 games in the Premier League, at White Hart Lane in our last season there. And no one say what it means to move to Wembley to play and create another project. But not only this, but we are going to play only one season and then it’s nearly two seasons and no one says anything.
"When Arsenal moved after playing in Highbury, people talked about massive problems, they’re still paying, and Tottenham, with no history of winning…our glory, I watch the video about the glory [played before matches], it’s with Bill Nicholson. It’s black and white. And I watch it nearly every week and to create again that feeling you need time. Four years, five years, that’s nothing in the history of the club."

 

[Lighty64]

These quotes from Poch on the final season are so important and it is bloomin disgraceful that so many of our own fans brush past this in an analysis of his tenure and the team over the last 3-4 years. I don't expect the media to bring it up (not because of a conspiracy but because journos have the attention span of a gnat) but our own fans skip past it.
Any fair minded person would analyze the team and its performances in light of three key factors and recognize that Poch, the staff and the team have MASSIVELY over performed and continue to do so:
1. Net investment/ spend compared to rivals (and put in context that rivals like City and Chelscum had won nothing until their owners spent hundreds of millions of pounds net)
2. No home ground for almost 2 seasons after an unbeaten final season at the lane
3. Mentality surrounding the club

The work has been amazing and Poch is a proud person not to bring this stuff up all the time - I respect him even more for that. Look at bloomin Maureen, Pep and Klopp....have everything handed to them and still complain.

"And still if you said to me, we are competitive, of course. We have a mentality to win, yes. We fight, yes. We finish in the last three or four seasons in a very good position in the table, yes. We are always close to the last step, yes. But now to achieve the last step is the most difficult thing.

"The problem is, at the moment the team needed the last push, what happened in this process, in this club, with this generation of player? We build, we build, we build but then White Hart Lane gone, we moved to Wembley. All the doubts about how we are going to behave, the example of West Ham first season and many things in this process that stopped the evolution of the team about to win. But no one says anything.
"Remember, we were unbeaten, 19 games in the Premier League, at White Hart Lane in our last season there. And no one say what it means to move to Wembley to play and create another project. But not only this, but we are going to play only one season and then it’s nearly two seasons and no one says anything.
"When Arsenal moved after playing in Highbury, people talked about massive problems, they’re still paying, and Tottenham, with no history of winning…our glory, I watch the video about the glory [played before matches], it’s with Bill Nicholson. It’s black and white. And I watch it nearly every week and to create again that feeling you need time. Four years, five years, that’s nothing in the history of the club."

I hate Chelsea with a passion but to say they didn't win anything before Abramovic means you didn't take much notice before hand

FA Cup Winner1996-97
Football League Cup Winner1997-98
European Super Cup Winner1997-98
European Cup Winners' Cup Winner1997-98
FA Cup Winner1999-2000

 

[whitesocks]

In an impassioned answer Pochettino pointed out Tottenham’s glory days had come during the era of black and white TV

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...m-hotspur-white-hart-lane-mauricio-pochettino

This is unfair. He is dismissing a lot of full colour glory. (Maybe not all in HD though.)
I'd settle for some of that this season.

 

[alexis]

I'm suggesting there remains huge questions marks over Poch's ability to get this team over the line. At the end of the day, we can look for all the excuses under the sun, but it keeps happening every season. Poch still hasn't won a trophy, progress seems to have stalled big time. We haven't learnt anything from our previous semi final defeats, we are still plucky losers.

You are being so shortsighted it’s unreal. We’ve always pretty much been a player or two short of truly challenging. If he’d have had the kind of backing klopps received with salaries and agents fees he’d have smashed it by now.

 

[allatsea]

You are being so shortsighted it’s unreal. We’ve always pretty much been a player or two short of truly challenging. If he’d have had the kind of backing klopps received with salaries and agents fees he’d have smashed it by now.

That backing was possible though because they keep selling their very best players for big money.

 

[coysjod]

I guess reading between the lines Foyth was promised that should a CL spot become available he'd be next in line, and that to break that promise would probably see him lose faith and want to look elsewhere.

Oh wait a moment. We just sold a midfielder so there is a Foyth-shaped hole in midfield right @thinktank?