The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[freeeki]

That argument is past with. And worn out by me in defending him. For me, his time is up! For DL, well that is another thing.

I’d love to know what DL’s breaking point would be, because I doubt we’re even near it yet.

 

[Lighty64]

Certainly not bad enough to be outplayed at home to Sheffield United.

This squad is easily top 6. Pushing for title no. But this is shocking

I expect there are plenty of posts like this in the 15 pages I've skipped

is anyone giving Sheff Utd any credit after having a clear week to prepare for this? they might not have 11 internationals so will have just training to do for the next 2 weeks while the majority of our squad will be off playing internationals. They are a well drilled, and organised team that by the sounds of you lot expect to be playing a championship side. this is why they got promoted deservedly, and why all teams are struggling to break them down. only Liverpool have beaten them 1-0 due to an error by their keeper out of us, Chelsea and Arsenal.

 

[talkshowhost86]

We all need to take a step back and look at it with a reasoned head. We will be loosing Toby, Jan, Eriksen, Aurier, possibly Rose with very little in return. I’ve worked in companies when people are close to leaving after being there for years, it’s a negative atmosphere no matter how professional people are.

Anyone with half a brain could see what was going to come with lack of investment, especially when your players aren’t committing. I’m done trying to work out who was to blame, it’s pointless.

So what would you do? Stick with the guy who’s philosophy, loyalty and vision has seen you achieve regular champions league football, taken you to finals of competitions, on a shoe string budget, or roll the dice and gamble? Your gamble could pay off, but it’s a risk.. or get the man who has achieved so much with us to rebuild your team, some would argue it is also a risk given the current situation, I would have to disagree to an extent.

For me this is a players vs the manager situation, half these players don’t want to be here and won’t be here come next season, so il back the manager.

None of those players started today and we were still massively outplayed by Sheffield United.

It's not just players who want to leave that are the problem. He's not getting anything out of any of the squad at the moment.

 

[Lighty64]

That argument is past with. And worn out by me in defending him. For me, his time is up! For DL, well that is another thing.

but he played all the players bar 2 from Wednesday? why are you moaning, on Wednesday you wanted little change just like many others

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

They're both players who float between the No. 8 and No. 10 positions. Bruno is much more attacking threat who gets goals and assists and Tielemans much more of a tempo-setter, but they take up similar areas of the pitch. The point I'm making is that it was an either/or choice between Tielemans and Ndombele/Lo Celso as we're still looking for a player to replace Eriksen despite having brought in the latter two. Tielemans easily could have filled that hole, while providing desperately needed additional depth and helping ease the pain of blooding in multiple new signings in the midfield area. I really think the second half of last season and first half of this one would have played out very differently had we loaned Tielemans last January rather than waiting for Rabiot who had no interest in us.

I'm not doubting your logic for bringing tielemans in, just the reasons why.

Lo celso is an eriksen replacement. We have long needed a backup option for eriksen. In an ideal world we would have brought in lo celso and Bruno, shipped out eriksen, and Bruno and and lo celso would have rotated the eriksen role.

Tielemans is more in the b2b/playmaker n'dombele role. They could have rotated, or, we could have brought in a DM and they could have played together in a midfield 3.

Essentially, tielemans and Bruno play different roles, so their signings would have been independent of each other, funds withstanding.

P.s. I'm a full Bruno fernandes convert. If we can get rid of eriksen in January, I would for us to sign him. He looks mustard again this season.

 

[Hercules]

but he played all the players bar 2 from Wednesday? why are you moaning, on Wednesday you wanted little change just like many others

I wanted little change. I certainly didn’t want Serge & Davies in for sure. I really wanted to see a turn. I cannot see it after today.

 

[Ben1]

I expect there are plenty of posts like this in the 15 pages I've skipped

is anyone giving Sheff Utd any credit after having a clear week to prepare for this? they might not have 11 internationals so will have just training to do for the next 2 weeks while the majority of our squad will be off playing internationals. They are a well drilled, and organised team that by the sounds of you lot expect to be playing a championship side. this is why they got promoted deservedly, and why all teams are struggling to break them down. only Liverpool have beaten them 1-0 due to an error by their keeper out of us, Chelsea and Arsenal.

Its all about context I reckon. People might be more accepting of a draw against a very good SU side if it wasn't preceded by the other results. This is the Premier League, every game can look tough, but it isn't an excuse to drop points every week.

 

[Hakkz]

I expect there are plenty of posts like this in the 15 pages I've skipped

is anyone giving Sheff Utd any credit after having a clear week to prepare for this? they might not have 11 internationals so will have just training to do for the next 2 weeks while the majority of our squad will be off playing internationals. They are a well drilled, and organised team that by the sounds of you lot expect to be playing a championship side. this is why they got promoted deservedly, and why all teams are struggling to break them down. only Liverpool have beaten them 1-0 due to an error by their keeper out of us, Chelsea and Arsenal.

Yes plenty of people have given them credit.

However, we should not be played of the park for an entire game by a newly promoted team. At home.

 

[yankspurs]

I’d love to know what DL’s breaking point would be, because I doubt we’re even near it yet.

relegation into the conference?

 

[Lighty64]

Pochettino on the process Spurs are going through
“I think you can see that yes we need to find the balance. We are building a team during the season, while competing in the Champions League and Premier League, the toughest league in the world, and always that is dangerous, this type of situation can happen. You expect better results than you get. Of course we are in a process to build and we’ll see if we have time to build what we want.”

1) Find the balance - so our manager accepts he still doesn’t have a clue what our strongest XI is.
2) Building a team during the season - yes because we faffed about for 3 transfer windows and once again left signings till late in the window and failed to get them in early and settled... not forgetting holding on to the rebels.
3) See if we have time to build - is someone expecting the sack? I hope so

what a load of tosh when it came to signing them late. did you expect us to pull Sess and GLC out of their preseason tournaments? he never held onto the rebels, the players just never signed for other clubs because they weren't interested in joining the clubs that made an offer for them.

 

[Lighty64]

I wanted little change. I certainly didn’t want Serge & Davies in for sure. I really wanted to see a turn. I cannot see it after today.

neither of them was truly at fault for the goal, Sanchez and Dier gave the ball away so often bringing the pressure back on to us

 

[Metalhead]

I expect there are plenty of posts like this in the 15 pages I've skipped

is anyone giving Sheff Utd any credit after having a clear week to prepare for this? they might not have 11 internationals so will have just training to do for the next 2 weeks while the majority of our squad will be off playing internationals. They are a well drilled, and organised team that by the sounds of you lot expect to be playing a championship side. this is why they got promoted deservedly, and why all teams are struggling to break them down. only Liverpool have beaten them 1-0 due to an error by their keeper out of us, Chelsea and Arsenal.

I think that taken in isolation, you make a good argument but this is another game in a poor period for Spurs. That being said, I don't think that Poch is going anywhere anytime soon so the only hope is that there is a clear strategy for a rebuild.

 

[Lighty64]

Its all about context I reckon. People might be more accepting of a draw against a very good SU side if it wasn't preceded by the other results. This is the Premier League, every game can look tough, but it isn't an excuse to drop points every week.

I agree but in here people are calling for Poch's head after leaving all the rebels out bar Aurier, yet how can Poch be blamed because they pressed us like fuck in the 1st half, and when they didn't press we had players giving the ball away

 

[Johnny J]

The worrying part isn't just the results, it's the performance. Red Star aside, we look totally shit and clueless.

 

[dontcallme]

I agree but in here people are calling for Poch's head after leaving all the rebels out bar Aurier, yet how can Poch be blamed because they pressed us like fuck in the 1st half, and when they didn't press we had players giving the ball away

I think it is important for the squad for Poch to leave out the players who don't want to be here, at least in the short term.

Playing the players with desire is not going to automatically get us results.

The best years of Poch's reign was when the players were determined and fought for the cause, doesn't make sense for him to play those not currently doing so.

 

[C-oops]

The worrying part isn't just the results, it's the performance. Red Star aside, we look totally shit and clueless.

That's the thing. The performance. If we'd somehow managed to scrape the win today I wouldn't have been any happier. It's just boring to watch us and has been for a year .

 

[cjbyid]

That's the thing. The performance. If we'd somehow managed to scrape the win today I wouldn't have been any happier. It's just boring to watch us and has been for a year .

Yep, 3 points would've just papered over the massive cracks. I'm actually glad I couldn't make it today.

 

[YiddoTom90]

I hate the word transition with us. Every season seems to be one.

 

[Ben1]

I agree but in here people are calling for Poch's head after leaving all the rebels out bar Aurier, yet how can Poch be blamed because they pressed us like fuck in the 1st half, and when they didn't press we had players giving the ball away

Because he's the manager and that's ultimately the reason he's here: to get results.

 

[dontcallme]

I hate the word transition with us. Every season seems to be one.

I wouldn't say so. Poch's first season was a transitional season as we clearly had a divide in the team and he spent the first season working the squad out. He then had 4 seasons with the team.

It appears this team has come to an end and a partial rebuild or shape is required. Might be fair to call this a transitional season.