The Managerial Merry-go-round

['O Zio]

The more I think about the QSF reappointment the weirder it gets. His win percentage since leaving Watford has been even worse than it was for them. And the last league he managed in was the CSL!

Even the Watford fans are perplexed. I can see them having a long hard season.

I assume the logic behind it is that they need to turn things around quickly and the fact that he was the manager there not that long ago means he might not need as much of a bedding-in period as someone completely new to the club?

 

[nailsy]

It's amazing because this time last year they were genuinely a team to be feared for the 19/20 season along with Leicester etc. A really poor transfer window, and 1 point from 4 games having not really played any of the top clubs. Something has gone seriously wrong there. We thought we had problems!

I'd be interested to know how much input the manager has over transfers.

 

[sausage]

So Kovacs has been sacked, leaving a big job open.


I'm childishly amused that Bayern's caretaker coach is called "Hans Flick"

 

[Marty]

So Kovacs has been sacked, leaving a big job open.


I'm childishly amused that Bayern's caretaker coach is called "Hans Flick"

He's a master of disguise, don't you know.

 

['O Zio]

So Kovacs has been sacked, leaving a big job open.

Was always a weird appointment. In a weird way he was kind of set up to fail from the beginning because everybody and their dog knew that he wasn't who anyone at the club really wanted. I think he was something like the 4th choice to take over and everyone knew it, so I suppose that just kind of undermines you from the very beginning as the manager. That said, I suppose a better manager would've managed to prove everyone wrong but as it stands Kovac was pretty much just as poor as everyone suspected in the beginning. Yes I know he still won the league etc. but I think that was very much in spite of him rather than because of him.

 

[Hakkz]

Was always a weird appointment. In a weird way he was kind of set up to fail from the beginning because everybody and their dog knew that he wasn't who anyone at the club really wanted. I think he was something like the 4th choice to take over and everyone knew it, so I suppose that just kind of undermines you from the very beginning as the manager. That said, I suppose a better manager would've managed to prove everyone wrong but as it stands Kovac was pretty much just as poor as everyone suspected in the beginning. Yes I know he still won the league etc. but I think that was very much in spite of him rather than because of him.

Pretty sure him being a former BM player was part of why they chose him too.

 

['O Zio]

Pretty sure him being a former BM player was part of why they chose him too.

Depends on what you mean. I think he's one of the people who applied for the job and certainly his connection will've played a factor in him getting it vs some other random BL manager, but he was very much not their first or even second choice.

 

[sausage]

Was always a weird appointment. In a weird way he was kind of set up to fail from the beginning because everybody and their dog knew that he wasn't who anyone at the club really wanted. I think he was something like the 4th choice to take over and everyone knew it, so I suppose that just kind of undermines you from the very beginning as the manager. That said, I suppose a better manager would've managed to prove everyone wrong but as it stands Kovac was pretty much just as poor as everyone suspected in the beginning. Yes I know he still won the league etc. but I think that was very much in spite of him rather than because of him.

Strange though considering what he did achieve in a short time there

 

[Hakkz]

Depends on what you mean. I think he's one of the people who applied for the job and certainly his connection will've played a factor in him getting it vs some other random BL manager, but he was very much not their first or even second choice.

What I mean that like OGS, him "understanding the culture" of BM probably helped him even though he wasn't that proven as a manager.

 

['O Zio]

Strange though considering what he did achieve in a short time there

Did he really achieve anything though? They won the league, but they win the league virtually every year so that's hardly some glowing representation of his managerial prowess. It was one of their lowest points totals of recent years and they only wont in the end by 2 points.

Obviously a title is a title, so fair play, but I find it strange to phrase it as "considering what he achieved there" when, at best, he did an on-par job.

 

[wirE]

So Kovacs has been sacked, leaving a big job open.


I'm childishly amused that Bayern's caretaker coach is called "Hans Flick"

General von Klinkerhoffen made assistant manager

 

[cjbyid]

Wenger the big favorite for Bayern now.

 

[nailsy]

Did he really achieve anything though? They won the league, but they win the league virtually every year so that's hardly some glowing representation of his managerial prowess. It was one of their lowest points totals of recent years and they only wont in the end by 2 points.

Obviously a title is a title, so fair play, but I find it strange to phrase it as "considering what he achieved there" when, at best, he did an on-par job.

It must be really hard to over achieve there!

Wenger the big favorite for Bayern now.

As a free agent and a German speaker that would make sense. Give him the job until the end of the season and see how he does.

 

[dontcallme]

It must be really hard to over achieve there!



As a free agent and a German speaker that would make sense. Give him the job until the end of the season and see how he does.

Might get them top 4 and a domestic cup.

 

['O Zio]

It must be really hard to over achieve there!

That's just what comes with the territory when you take over one of those teams that are completely dominant domestically. Merely winning the league is the absolute base requirement, not an achievement. So scraping to a league title by 2 points, while being fairly shaky all season, with one of the lowest points totals in years, simply cannot be used to make the "but after everything he achieved there!" argument.

Like I say up to a point I feel sorry for him because he was kind of set up to fail in the first place because of the way they went about hiring him. But that still doesn't make up for the fact that he just wasn't very good.

 

[nailsy]

That's just what comes with the territory when you take over one of those teams that are completely dominant domestically. Merely winning the league is the absolute base requirement, not an achievement. So scraping to a league title by 2 points, while being fairly shaky all season, with one of the lowest points totals in years, simply cannot be used to make the "but after everything he achieved there!" argument.

Like I say up to a point I feel sorry for him because he was kind of set up to fail in the first place because of the way they went about hiring him. But that still doesn't make up for the fact that he just wasn't very good.

I agree. He doesn't seem to handle the media very well either. His recent comments about his players not being able to play a certain system probably didn't go down very well.

 

[Hakkz]

Might get them top 4 and a domestic cup.

Isn't that the same thing?

 

['O Zio]

Wenger the big favorite for Bayern now.

Despite the fact that he became a bit of a joke in his final years in England, he's still massively respected on the continent so it's not as crazy as it might sound at first. Bayern have shown in the past that they aren't afraid to hire an older manager as well.

 

[Marty]

Rafa Honigstein saying Wenger to Bayern isn't happening.

Shame if true, I'd actually have loved to see that happen.

 

[LSUY]

Stoke City are set to appoint Northern Ireland manager Michael O'Neill.

Can't see this being a good decision for either party. The rot has already set in at Stoke and it ain't going away for a while. Chris Coleman to Sunderland springs to mind.