The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The Weekend of 19/20th January

[Riandor]

Well well, sobering stuff.
Didn't expect to wake up to that this morning (and was away yesterday).

Like many I am sure, I was firmly a believer in Levy being a hard nut, but with a structure and a vision and an eye for when to back a manager and when not to.

But this ITK is bleaker than I would have hoped for.
Sounds like there are too many board members wanting slices of pie and too much focus on pure profitability from selling the club.

Sometimes it sounds like asset stripping. Selling of best players for high profit, re-invest some of that into players you hope to do the same with.

If this is the case, then goodbye bale.

Now I'm not for pitchforks and torching, but surely we as fans need to make our voices heard. If we back AVB at home matches with singing and so forth... Well I know it doesn't have to mean much as businessmen would say we still come to matches, but still.

This club is yet again on the cusp if being a great team, Levy has to use that... If he wants harrods prices then finish the puzzle. Get the players in that the manager he appointed wants!

If this ITK proves true, then I as a fan question AVB's appointment... Was it the acumen, skills and desire that Levy saw? Or the chance to appoint a manager that was supposed to buy the board some time to continue their selling plans all in the name of transition and a hope that we as fans bought into the concept of AVB being a failure at Chelsea and would slowwwwly rebuild his career rapt spurs and also that we would accept therefore transitioning.

Sorry, but I for one have harps enough. A blind arsenal fan can see we are close to being the finished article, time for Levy to back his man and win any beloved profiteering through glory on the pitch.

Oh and morning all...

 

[RichSpur58]

I honestly can't see why people are surprised. Our transfer windows have been disasters for a long time now. We only seem to replace quality if we sell quality.

 

[ShayLaB]

We must be doing something right given our league position and the funds available to those above it.

It is a shame that it sounds so adveserial within the club.

 

[Super Tottenham]

We are going to be in serious trouble of dropping down the table next season if Levy keeps trying to turn a profit each window. Every club is going to be due a turbo charge to there transfer budget with the massive TV rights increase, I suspect the excuses that will come out will be along the lines that there is no value in the market.

Levy is like that person in the group that ducks out the back when it is his turn to buy the round. Other fans seem to think we spend big because the media prefer to show total spend rather than net spend.

 

[Lilbaz]

Just read the ITK, I never thought we'd get 100% accurate ITK on here but we have. We are not Harrod's, don't know who thought we were, but you've been told. The rest seems a very biassed view of how Tottenham's business plan works. I have a strong suspicion that Daniel Levy may have actually shat on Jaspers nan.
Cheers for the info though as it's much appreciated, as usual 10 days before the end of the transfer window we have entered the suicidal phase, this is the best part of the window for me as you can see some of our fans have literal nervous breakdowns on line, which is funny as fuck.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

I see Jasper is labouring under the mistaken impression that AVB is a Manager.

If he were, then Jasper's post would be concerning. As it is, he isn't. It's interesting seeing the negativity and stripping out the tone of what is posted. Just look at the content. And place it in the context of how we - extremely successfully - are run.

Meanwhile the final quote is perhaps most revealing. Basically, if we sign one attacking player (in addition to Holtby who we've already signed), AVB will be satisfied. One player.

Not exactly pistols at dawn, is it?


My highlight:

"Agents are embarrassed by our actions"!!!! Do me a fucking favour.

The alternative in Jasper-world seems to be letting a Coach (not a Manager. just to confirm, we don't have one of those. Perhaps he is referring to Darren Eales, whose job description is closest to that of manager), presumably advised by a tidy little group of agents, to make massive financial decisions that they are in no way qualified or positioned to make.

I appreciate The Committee are to a man evil, satanic, child-murdering, psychopaths who drink blood and kill fluffy bunny rabbits every morning, but that still places them several rungs up the ladder from football agents.

 

[hoose]

Wow, just caught up on all the Jasper stuff. An experience not dissimilar to being slapped repeatedly in the face with a cold dead fish. Where's the razorblades

Me too, just up finished reading it all now just want to kick the kids and go back to bed till the summer when it'll all start again.


only joking I want to watch the match later.

 

[Graysonti]

I don't mind to a degree on this belt tightening if our stadium was going up.

I have my doubts Levy/ENIC will build this though.

If they are just in sport for money, I suggest they fuck off into the REAL corporate world and make their money there. This dishonesty Is unfair on the people who love this club.

Bet that Lewis pays no tax whatsoever but that's for another thread.

 

[RJ1882]

Blessing in disguise if Defoe gets slightly injured today but we go on to win the game. Perhaps then we'll see a striker arrive.
Holtby and willian would seem a bit of an unbalance window considering we think we need a centre forward and a defensive midfielder.

 

[VegasII]

Not sure I buy all of this stuff. Managers and Chairman have been disagreeing over transfers for fucking forever...it's part of the game. We're trying to build a new stadium which we need money for. We're trying to build a great team which we need money for. I think we're trying to add pieces to both at different times...and having to balance the books for both.

On another note, I think people need to take a break from the whole 'big signing missing piece messiah' type of player...e.g. Moutinho, Leandro, Willian etc. It's pretty tedious.

 

[worcestersauce]

Boy that jasper's a miserable sod isn't he. I'd have thought it obvious that we can't attract the level of sponsorship the united's of this world can, we all knew that and surely we all know that Levy wouldn't accept offers whilst he has Rom to manoeuvre on possible better deals.
Why the doom about Holtby? We've signed him haven't we?
I don't doubt what jasper's says is all true and I'm grateful for the ITK but I thinly he's taking a rather pessimistic view of it all.

 

[rawhide]

Sodium Chloride anyone?

 

[Bromavinci]

All I got out of jaspars post is that his ITK is from the world of agents.. So while he may know more than me, and one may assume he could know a bit about transfers, but IMO, he knows fuck all about the plan or the vision of the top table at spurs

 

[Dr Know]

I never thought we would spend £15m on Dembele. I though Man U would have got that locked up but we acted fast and got him in. Maybe some of what is posted is true but the Dembele deal is a fact and the info posted is hearsay.

No suicide watch need for me

 

[RichieS]

Except everybody knows the club has lots of money from player sales

That depends how you define "lots"

We shelled out between £50m and £60m in the summer whilst bringing in somewhere in the mid 60s. That surplus may be enough to get us say M'Vila and Holtby. There then might be another £10m - £20m of general income to play with plus what we can raise from sales which presumably would be the "striker fund", should the right player become available at the right price.

 

[shelfboy68]

This info from jasper if correct doesn't suprise me to be honest but will divide fans on here as frustration will kick in over our lack of transfer activity.

We know that critising levy on here is not allowed but I do think what jasper has said many of us believed all along with the likes of moutinho and willian etc are never going to happen at spurs because of levys stance on not buying anyone over say £15 million which is ridiculous if the right quality of player is there.

It does then make you wonder what sort of man is levy who when interviewing potential managers/coaches what shit he spins them as they must be taken in by certain assurances only for levy to continually go back on his word this does sound worryingly bad for our club and makes us think how much further can we go under the current set up.

But with around 10 days to go of the window left we must try and stay positive and see if we can bring in 1-2 suprises I doubt it but let's see if we can pull something off.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

Everyone needs to get a grip, Jasper's views are just that, his views. Look at the facts of the model we've employed post Hoddle and where it has got us. Yes we'd all love a worldie but quite frankly the most important announcements for us right now are a stadium sponsor and a DoF.

On the stadium sponsor I don't think it has anything to do with location but everything to do with DL getting the best deal. If there was a market on it I'd bet on Qatar Airways given that Emirates and Etihad already have stadiums and the egos of the Qataris will be challenged. That gives Levy a powerful hand, one I'm sure he is exploiting to the max, but not helped by how lousy the goons are in negotiating sponsorship.

In terms of the DoF, we all want to sign the Cavanis of the world before they are worth 50m so for me I'd be far happier if we convinced Porto to sell us Antonio Henrique rather than Moutinho. If you don't know anything about this guy then read this:

http://www.goal.com/en/news/91/portugal/2012/10/09/3438551/porto-director-reveals-scouting-secrets

 

[Spurs Lodge Kittens]

I've said this before but despite the once again negative itk about avb and for once aimed at levy I'm quite relaxed about everything - Holtby got a nice contract and signing on fee cos he will cost us nothing so I'm content to wait for him

People also get their knickers in a twist cos we won't pay the 20s for transfers but remember we went as far as 15 for dembele just 5 months back pretty close! Just relax

 

[gazzeh]

I don't mind to a degree on this belt tightening if our stadium was going up.

I have my doubts Levy/ENIC will build this though.

If they are just in sport for money, I suggest they fuck off into the REAL corporate world and make their money there. This dishonesty Is unfair on the people who love this club.

Bet that Lewis pays no tax whatsoever but that's for another thread.

Thats a lot of neg reps you got there mate!

 

[ravo]

Written by Stobart so i thought i'd post it here:
http://www.goal.com/en/news/596/exclusive/2013/01/20/3685884/-

A very good option for 3.5m. Esp. if Parker is going to be sold in the summer.