The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The BiPolar Edition 30th May

[WhiteHart4Ever]

eh? £50m is "a bullsh*t amount" but £80m is "silly" money, so let's "expect" £65m? You're mad.

Imo £50m would be silly money, when only a handful of players have moved for anywhere near that kind of cash.

Modders was a £50m transfer, until the actual move happened... and then it was only £34m.

I think the Neymar transfer has set a standard for what should be considered a reasonable price. And Bale is - clearly - better...

 

[Pedro]

eh? £50m is "a bullsh*t amount" but £80m is "silly" money, so let's "expect" £65m? You're mad.

Imo £50m would be silly money, when only a handful of players have moved for anywhere near that kind of cash.

Modders was a £50m transfer, until the actual move happened... and then it was only £34m.

So if you were the chairman you would accept 50m? I think you are the crazy one. The benchmark here is the Ronaldo fee. I wouldn't expect that, but I think that would be our starting point. 60m seems about the going rate.

 

[$hoguN]

The (not so) hidden piece of ITK in there is that as with everyone, there's a price. And that price is £80m

I don't think it is ITK at all actually mate. I think JJ is responding to an article that states a few clubs are considering matching his 80 million price tag.

EDIT: Butch Cassidy beat me to this...

 

[$hoguN]

I think the Neymar transfer has set a standard for what should be considered a reasonable price. And Bale is - clearly - better...

Not according to Pele

 

[$hoguN]

So if you were the chairman you would accept 50m? I think you are the crazy one. The benchmark here is the Ronaldo fee. I wouldn't expect that, but I think that would be our starting point. 60m seems about the going rate.

Actually it would be a lot higher, as the season Ronaldo left the PL he wasn't 20 million better than Bale is now.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I don't think it is ITK at all actually mate. I think JJ is responding to an article that states a few clubs are considering matching his 80 million price tag.

EDIT: Butch Cassidy beat me to this...

Oh, sorry my bad

I don't often read the articles so missed that. Sorry all.

Unless of course JJ now comes galloping to my assistance and saves me by saying that the price is accurate. But he won't do that because my 'Knight in shining armour saves a damsel in distress' party isn't schedulded to be held until the first Friday of next month. Plus my Damsel dress isn't ready yet

 

[Sum Monsterism]

Youse guys are all mad.

The going rate? I must've missed the free goals/cost ratio pullout in the Daily Rag. Someone forward me a copy please.

Ronaldo went from one of the three biggest clubs in the world to the one of the other 3 biggest clubs in the world.

Despite having DL in charge, we don't have the same bartering power as a Utd.

If the flat fee was £50m, no add-ons, then yes; I think Levy would buckle. That's an awful lot of money.

 

[$hoguN]

Oh, sorry my bad

I don't often read the articles so missed that. Sorry all.

Unless of course JJ now comes galloping to my assistance and saves me by saying that the price is accurate. But he won't do that because my 'Knight in shining armour saves a damsel in distress' party isn't schedulded to be held until the first Friday of next month. Plus my Damsel dress isn't ready yet

I have one you can borrow, providing you promise to get it dry-cleaned

 

[Gedson100]

I think we're in a unique situation right now insofar as any club that Bale might want to go to is gonna be at least trying to comply with FFP. Look at the moderate English talent Man City signed last summer instead of world stars. It's all very well reporting that clubs will bid £80m but will they? Not unless they're Monaco or Russian, and he isn't gonna go there.

And the beauty of this situation is that Big Dan Levy doesn't care about their end of FFP, his price will still be £80m or ridiculously high.

I think that he could become nearly untransferrable, unless he was on a winding down contract, and that itself might impact his agent's desire to either get as much as he can out of us or stall.

Either way, we're in a great position.

 

[$hoguN]

Youse guys are all mad.

The going rate? I must've missed the free goals/cost ratio pullout in the Daily Rag. Someone forward me a copy please.

Ronaldo went from one of the three biggest clubs in the world to the one of the other 3 biggest clubs in the world.

Despite having DL in charge, we don't have the same bartering power as a Utd.

If the flat fee was £50m, no add-ons, then yes; I think Levy would buckle. That's an awful lot of money.

He has three years left on his deal. If Madrid will only pay 50 million then Levy would just say no as he will get a similar price next summer or maybe even an improved one as Gareth is likely to have another excellent season.

 

[rawhide]

I have one you can borrow, providing you promise to get it dry-cleaned

And it'll definitely need dry cleaning...

 

[rawhide]

Come on now, there is no "going rate" for one of the top young talents in the world. All we have to go on is semi-constructed yardsticks based on partial information on other transfers reported by media outlets who all have their own agendas.

The only person who really knows how much it would take for Levy to say "yes" is Dan the man himself, so can we not have a day full of The Price Is fucking Right?

 

[Vintagewhino]

I think we're in a unique situation right now insofar as any club that Bale might want to go to is gonna be at least trying to comply with FFP. Look at the moderate English talent Man City signed last summer instead of world stars. It's all very well reporting that clubs will bid £80m but will they? Not unless they're Monaco or Russian, and he isn't gonna go there.

And the beauty of this situation is that Big Dan Levy doesn't care about their end of FFP, his price will still be £80m or ridiculously high.

I think that he could become nearly untransferrable, unless he was on a winding down contract, and that itself might impact his agent's desire to either get as much as he can out of us or stall.

Either way, we're in a great position.

Sensible post. We have all the cards. Whether he, or any courting club likes it or not Bale has plenty of time running on his contract. There's no need to sell, and we know that. It''ll either be a massive amount of money (and I'm talking £60m+) or I can't see it happening. Relax: time is on our side

 

[Sum Monsterism]

He has three years left on his deal. If Madrid will only pay 50 million then Levy would just say no as he will get a similar price next summer or maybe even an improved one as Gareth could have another excellent season.

you must be able to see how mad it is to type "only pay 50 million" Only 50 million? Only?!

and, it feels like this might only be the 50 millionth time it's been written - but who's to say that Gareth will be worth more in the future? I'll get negged, but people are deluded if they think all players only continue on an upward curve - he might be worth more, hopefully he'll score twice as many goals next year, but an injury could mean he might be worth considerably less.

I don't want him to go, I don't think we'll sell this summer. But you're all crazy if you think he's in the £80m bracket - when there's only one player who has moved for that cash to date (cr7) and he was doing his job consistently for longer, on the bigger stage, to get that move. 50+ goals in Spain this year. Will Bale go and do that?

 

[dirtyh]

carroll - 35m
torres - 50m

good or bad, ffp or no ffp, that's the standard that's been set. Simply because of his worth to us as a team it's got to be over 70m, and even then i don't think levy will sell. Bale is key to everything we're about to do over the next few years.

 

[rawhide]

Oh god.. I had a job and a good life BsC (before SC). My life changed 5 months back, and now I can't do nothing but f5 this site constantly. What have you guys done to me???

We didn't do anything that you didn't want us to (with the exception of Houdini in his dungeon, and possibly Bomber, who might have slipped you something in that last drink...)

You love it you slaaaaaaag!

 

[samsonlevi]

One of the issues is:

Say we sell bale for £80 mil, which would be wicked business when it comes to the fee ECT (taking into account it would be the joint highest fee EVER paid)

BUT

That fee would be made public and in doing so the value/asking price of the targets we have or had to spend this money on would increase as they know we have the money.

Whereas if we conclude deals first then sell bale it would potentially save us this problem but would destroy the fans in terms of hope that we could keep him and dragging on this saga for a prolonged period of time!!

I would like to point out that I hope and pray bale stays!!

 

[talkshowhost86]

Come on now, there is no "going rate" for one of the top young talents in the world. All we have to go on is semi-constructed yardsticks based on partial information on other transfers reported by media outlets who all have their own agendas.

The only person who really knows how much it would take for Levy to say "yes" is Dan the man himself, so can we not have a day full of The Price Is fucking Right?

Agreed.

There are clubs around who massively distort the market so the idea of a going rate is a bit daft.

For example is 35m the going rate for a tall shit striker with a very stupid ponytail? Well yes if you're Liverpool, but no if you're any sane club in the world.

Another crucial point when considering selling Bale is also to think about what we could actually get with that money. Although 50-80m sounds like a lot, it doesn't actually get you a lot these days, especially when chairmen know you have money in your pocket to burn. Similarly, we still have the issue of the wage ceiling which won't really be helped by one influx of cash.

There's basically a lot to consider, and as such putting a price on young Mr Bale's head is tricky. All told it would be much easier to just keep him.

 

[Brazilyid]

Interesting that cobra thinks Leandro is in London this weekend. But not groundbreaking that terms agreed as have been for months. Also positive news ITK coming out and saying Bale is staying. Hope there right as I heard last week that no negotiations over a contract have taken place. But as I always state people I chat with don't know everything within the club. Anyway hope I'm wrong and contract work is progressing.

 

[Scott Spur]

The trouble is,......FFP will seriously restrict the ability of any team (particularly EPL teams where it will likely be tougher rules than UEFA's) to splash the cash as they have been doing. We could then see a supply/demand situation that see's transfer fees fall as FFP starts to bite in the next year or two.

Could Levy be tempted to sell such a high value asset now while the asking price is achievable? £50-80 is worth a thought......

(irrespective of FFP........if Bale was in the last year of his contract we wouldn't get more than £35M)