The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - POST MORTEM EDITION

[SpurSince57]

I get exactly what you're saying, but we have very narrowly missed out on 3 occasions now, with the squad lacking in key areas. If ENIC want to qualify for the CL (and obtain the regular income an increased profile it provides) then the failings in the squad must be addressed.

We can't claim to not be a selling club when we keep selling our best players and not investing enough in replacing them, if it's about finding the players then the scouting system should be looked into.

The headlines were x player will not be sold, I've read too many of these comments now, only to see the players 'grudgingly'/'reluctantly' sold for massive profits and inadequately replaced. If we want to compete with the big boys either the stadium needs built or we need to invest more into the squad.

I don't think AVB has been given much of a chance by DL's methods and the team just looks so off, even in 'only the first 3 games' and all that.

Sometimes I get the impression DL sees the players only as assets like stocks to make a profit on, rather than what they'll bring to the team and when he says players aren't for sale, they are, but only if the profit is sweet enough.

If we don't build a strong squad to compete, we'll continue to lose our best players and we're so close at this point that progress is critical IMO. Otherwise, Bale, Walker, Sandro, Kaboul etc. are next.

We NEED the CL and I'm not sure if Levy's methods will get us there again. I hope so though.

Jesus wept, how often does it have to be explained to you?

Over the last seven seasons, only Chelsea, City and Liverpool have spent more in net terms than us. We've spent £90m (and that is now our annual wage bill—or was, that's probably topped £100m now). Our annual profit was £8m in 2010-11. How far do you think that's going to go? Of course we have to sell players to buy new ones, FFS. Where else is the money going to come from? Should we add tens of millions more to our existing £56m debt, do you think?

As I pointed out to you the other day, despite a £15m profit on Modric we've still made an overall loss of around £10m on the players we signed in 2008 alone, with Bentley and Gomes still to go. You seem to have forgotten. If Levy ever saw our players as profit generators, I doubt he sees them that way now.

 

[teddy_sheringham_125]

Jesus wept, how often does it have to be explained to you?

Over the last seven seasons, only Chelsea, City and Liverpool have spent more in net terms than us. We've spent £90m (and that is now our annual wage bill—or was, that's probably topped £100m now). Our annual profit was £8m in 2010-11. How far do you think that's going to go? Of course we have to sell players to buy new ones, FFS. Where else is the money going to come from? Should we add tens of millions more to our existing £56m debt, do you think?

As I pointed out to you the other day, despite a £15m profit on Modric we've still made an overall loss of around £10m on the players we signed in 2008 alone, with Bentley and Gomes still to go. You seem to have forgotten. If Levy ever saw our players as profit generators, I doubt he sees them that way now.

Is that actually true? I can't find the stats for the last seven seasons (without trawling across a site for every club). Even if it is true, you've picked a rather arbitrary number of seasons to make your point. In the last 5 seasons we're 14th out of 20 in terms or net spend, and even since 2003 we're only 6th out of 20 according to this place: www.transferleague.co.uk

 

[lifeof...]

More likely, when HSV finally met our asking price, which they had to do by mid-day. My suspicion is that VdV was never in AVB's plans and that Sig's his replacement. Moutinho was coming in for Mdric.

Is it? because that does not make a lot of sense, Sig was brought long before VDV was sold, or, as far as i am aware rumoured to be sold...Sig may well have been bought in as possible competition for VDV spot, For me Sig was signed up, because he was relatively cheap, and good squad addition, who can play in several position.

Secondly your suspicion, does not take into account why we purchased the 2 D's...Whilst I cant argue that Mouts was who wanted as mods replacement, It is much more likely that Dembele was 1st as a replacement for VDV / 1st team improvement, and then, As VDV was offski, and the Mouts deal was going south, Dempsey was purchased to replace VDV as the Support attacker role. and Dembele became mods replacement.

Put it this way, When the 2 D's are deemed fit and ready to play for us, I think they will both start in front of Sigs.

 

[SpurSince57]

Is it? because that does not make a lot of sense, Sig was brought long before VDV was sold, or, as far as i am aware rumoured to be sold...Sig may well have been bought in as possible competition for VDV spot, For me Sig was signed up, because he was relatively cheap, and good squad addition, who can play in several position.

Secondly your suspicion, does not take into account why we purchased the 2 D's...Whilst I cant argue that Mouts was who wanted as mods replacement, It is much more likely that Dembele was 1st as a replacement for VDV / 1st team improvement, and then, As VDV was offski, and the Mouts deal was going south, Dempsey was purchased to replace VDV as the Support attacker role. and Dembele became mods replacement.

Put it this way, When the 2 D's are deemed fit and ready to play for us, I think they will both start in front of Sigs.

It was definitely suggested (just don't ask me to find the post, though!) that AVB was consulted over Sigurdsson. Whether that makes Sig Rafa's replacement or not, I don't know, and, sure, it's pretty tenuous, but we can argue all day over who the replacement is, or whether he's been adequately replaced; replaced he has been, and that was always the intention. I don't believe he figured in AVB's plans at all.

When he was speaking to the press early in July he was sounding very positive and absolutely committed to Spurs, no Keano-style caveats about feeling needed and wanted.

 

[lifeof...]

ahh

It was definitely suggested (just don't ask me to find the post, though!) that AVB was consulted over Sigurdsson. Whether that makes Sig Rafa's replacement or not, I don't know, and, sure, it's pretty tenuous, but we can argue all day over who the replacement is, or whether he's been adequately replaced; replaced he has been, and that was always the intention. I don't believe he figured in AVB's plans at all.

When he was speaking to the press early in July he was sounding very positive and absolutely committed to Spurs, no Keano-style caveats about feeling needed and wanted.

ok so your suspicion was really about VDV not being part of AVB's plan which is entirely possible. As i said in another thread, It isn't really about who replaces whom, because with the signing / departures, our team is different, whether it is better or not, time will tell

 

[Toela65]

Toela65 - what was the loan fee that you believe Liverpool had agreed in principle for Leandro?

From the outside, it appears bizarre that Liverpool could afford a presumably substantial loan fee for Leandro but could not afford to meet Fulham's price for Dempsey.

Also, if Leandro was available on loan to join a PL club in August/September, presumably with an agreed fee to buy, I would expect Levy to be all over it. The Spurs ITK was essentially suggesting that the best deal we could get involved agreeing a fee for Leandro to join in the January window, at the end of Internacional's current campaign, and that we wanted a striker now.

I know you have some good info, but this seems a strange one.

I don't know fee exactly as I can't remember what me mate at the paper said. I'll ask him again. I've 4m Euros stuck in me head do so maybe thats it but will double check.

They would of spent lots of money on Leandro but not Dempsey for the simple reason he is young and Clint is old in their eyes. The owners and 'committee' desperately wanted to buy Sturridge for £15m on deadline day but Rodger's only wanted him on loan at first, and Sturridge would only come on a permanent so the deal collapsed.

FSG don't mind paying top dollar and wages to young, class players whose value will only increase over the course of their contract. They obviously don't want this to be common knowledge though so play the poor card. There already looking at January and looking to get Walcott in for £12-15m and are willing to give him £90,000 per week if he don't resign with Arse.

I think a lot of the ITK from your end around Damiao wasn't always accurate. I know for certain Inter wanted to make a deal desperately on deadline day as it came straight from Ian Ayre's mouth and was confirmed later by Comms Director jen Chang. Don't get better sources than that like!

I suspect the problems with Spurs not getting it done will lie with the antics between to very stubborn Chairmen. I reckon this thing about him not coming to Janaury was incorrect unless that came from JJ who is always spot on?

 

[Toela65]

Thanks guys. So it was the third party ownership bollocks that did for the Moutinho deal then? That was the bit I was puzzled by. Such a shame.

After being initially pretty 'meh' about Dempsey, I am now feeling more positive. The guy scores hatfuls of goals, you can't ask for more. And stealing another Liverpool target always brings me an inappropriate amount of glee...

Haha

I can only speak for myself but I didn't want Clint Fucking Dempsey anywhere near a LFC shirt so it was actually a bitter-sweet moment when you lot snapped him up right at the end!

 

[switcher.]

Haha

I can only speak for myself but I didn't want Clint Fucking Dempsey anywhere near a LFC shirt so it was actually a bitter-sweet moment when you lot snapped him up right at the end!

 

[switcher.]

Rather have no strikers than 23goal Dempsey? Wow - these are new levels of retardation. Shut the door on the way out mate.

 

[CJMurray]

Haha

I can only speak for myself but I didn't want Clint Fucking Dempsey anywhere near a LFC shirt so it was actually a bitter-sweet moment when you lot snapped him up right at the end!

Gutted.

Much better team and deserved to win.

As usual 2 stupid individual mistakes cost us.

We had over a dozen attempts at goal and didn't score from open play again. We badly need an attacking central midfielder to play behind Suarez and help wuth goals. Gerrard is not the player he was when playing behind Torres. Hopefully we'll bring in Dempsey and his goals this week.

Oh, yeah.

 

[Makkaveli101]

Oh, yeah.

Well...and truly.......OWNED!!! ;-)

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Does anyone think AVB actually managed to sign any of the players HE actually recommended.

If ITK is to believed AVB wanted Oscar, Willian, Leandro and Moutinho

and Levy signed

Siggurdsson, Dempsey, Adebayor and Dembele

I would a respected ITK to clear this up. I know this is not necessarily there working period but I think it is interesting to know how our club works in this way.

 

[spud]

Well...and truly.......OWNED!!! ;-)

I think today's Toela65 may be a different person from the previous Toela65. The vocabulary he used today is notably different from previously.

 

[Martin Jol Loves Me]

Oh, yeah.

Ha ha good find

 

[Gedson100]

I think today's Toela65 may be a different person from the previous Toela65. The vocabulary he used today is notably different from previously.

I don't know fee exactly as I can't remember what me mate at the paper said. I'll ask him again. I've 4m Euros stuck in me head do so maybe thats it but will double check.

They would of spent lots of money on Leandro but not Dempsey for the simple reason he is young and Clint is old in their eyes. The owners and 'committee' desperately wanted to buy Sturridge for £15m on deadline day but Rodger's only wanted him on loan at first, and Sturridge would only come on a permanent so the deal collapsed.

FSG don't mind paying top dollar and wages to young, class players whose value will only increase over the course of their contract. They obviously don't want this to be common knowledge though so play the poor card. There already looking at January and looking to get Walcott in for £12-15m and are willing to give him £90,000 per week if he don't resign with Arse.

I think a lot of the ITK from your end around Damiao wasn't always accurate. I know for certain Inter wanted to make a deal desperately on deadline day as it came straight from Ian Ayre's mouth and was confirmed later by Comms Director jen Chang. Don't get better sources than that like!

I suspect the problems with Spurs not getting it done will lie with the antics between to very stubborn Chairmen. I reckon this thing about him not coming to Janaury was incorrect unless that came from JJ who is always spot on?
Toela65, Today at 1:25 PM Report
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Interesting. Definite Liverpudlian accent today that i've not detected before. [See bolded]

 

[SpurSince57]

Does anyone think AVB actually managed to sign any of the players HE actually recommended.

If ITK is to believed AVB wanted Oscar, Willian, Leandro and Moutinho

and Levy signed

Siggurdsson, Dempsey, Adebayor and Dembele

I would a respected ITK to clear this up. I know this is not necessarily there working period but I think it is interesting to know how our club works in this way.

A&C will get Akqa on it right away.

 

[puella]

I think a lot of the ITK from your end around Damiao wasn't always accurate. I know for certain Inter wanted to make a deal desperately on deadline day as it came straight from Ian Ayre's mouth and was confirmed later by Comms Director jen Chang. Don't get better sources than that like!

Sorry, but Ian Ayre talks a lot of shit. Didn't he jump the gun on the Sahin transfer saying it was all done when in fact it wasn't? Anyway, Rory Smith from The Times talked to the Inter vice-president on transfer deadline day and he said that there was no truth in the loan story and they wanted to keep Damiao.

 

[gibbospurs]

have we sold any goalkeepers yet?

 

[moomin]

Bentley just got loaned to some Russian club!!!
time to break out the party hats

 

[Hot-Spur]