The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - ENIC EARNING EDITION 14th November

[IGSpur]

I think it's just more the price he would cost combined with his age. In theory I would be happy to have him at the club but for the amount he would cost, I would guess it would be well over 20 mil, I would like to see someone closer to the peak of their game. We have many young players in our team, I would like to see a figurehead signing leading our line. Someone in their early to mid 20's who has already gone through their growing pains. Obviously I wouldn't be upset with him but it would be a risky signing in my mind especially for the price he would cost. If we do get him however I would not be unhappy.

You mean like Soldado

Although I do like Soldado and agree with you in principle. Regardless of how the Ade story goes it seems as though he is no place to play atm. We are left with 2 strikers and one is genuinely struggling to score. I would shift Soldado if poss and try get in a Berahino and more experienced striker. Like a Huntelaar maybe

 

[eddiev14]

Don't want Berahino. He's a slightly taller, slightly busier Defoe.

Agreed.

Don't understand the fuss with Berahino. Yes, he's scored a few goals but we need someone who can also play back to goal and bring our wide forwards into the game.

IMO, out of our strikers, only Soldado has shown this so far this season. In flashes though, because he's often not strong or tall enough to win aerial duals and get the ball down.

Berahino will cost north of £15m and that is stupid money for him.

We basically need Mitchell to find another Pelle!

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Agreed.

Don't understand the fuss with Berahino. Yes, he's scored a few goals but we need someone who can also play back to goal and bring our wide forwards into the game.

IMO, out of our strikers, only Soldado has shown this so far this season. In flashes though, because he's often not strong or tall enough to win aerial duals and get the ball down.

Berahino will cost north of £15m and that is stupid money for him.

We basically need Mitchell to find another Pelle!

Agree completely, seems like stupid business to me for a team that plays a lone striker system. berahino has played it, but he's not great at the hold up play and he doesn't create a lot for others.

 

[Ledleys Knee]

I hope we don't go for Barehino, yes he has a lot of potential but in the current climate and in the Jan window he will be so ridiculously overpriced. I just can't see it happening. Apart from that, glad people seem to like Lamela. in general this is a much more positive spin on things... I just wonder if it hasn't been spun. I wonder which of the two stories is right. Ether way, good to have regular info.

I think Berahino will end up being another Defoe. He looks exciting now because he is explosive, but I think his lack of intelligence will always prevent him becoming a top player. Basically I think he might already be at his ceiling, like Defoe was in his West Ham days.

I'd rather go for Rodriguez and Kane as our long term duo. Rodriguez is much smarter and I think has a far higher ceiling.

 

[IGSpur]

Carl Fletcher will be the ring leader...guaranteed!

or Rose

More significant that they are francophone African. And their opponents young and English. It does seem a squad quite riven by faction. There has also been a lot of talk about the Latins not mingling, and the Belgians seem very close.

Agree it's natural for same speaking people to bond. Only other two French speakers are Nabil. He's going to of course side with Kane, Mason and most likely Townsend. And Lloris

I'm quite interested in the lack of Lloris in all these posts. Did he stay neutral or was he just shaking his head disgustedly at them all?

and Lloris is far too professional for this nonsense if it exists. He is rarely with the players on social media. He is friends and civil but the ultimate professional it seems and wouldn't get brought into childish games and would side with what is right. Just needs to be captain already

I of course fully support the players that will bleed for the club. The frustrating thing is of course that from what we have seen over the past few years, Ade has more ability in his little toe than Kane and I would bet that is the headed chance at 1-1 had fallen to Ade he would have buried it. Sadly it feels like his time is up with us...the second manager he has refused to work for...perhaps Harry wants him at QPR? T'riffic player I always thought.

This is all moot if he can't be arsed to play. Kane has already scored half of the amount of prem goals. Ade has only had one really good season with us which was when we got 4th but no CL. Next best form with us was second half of last season. Regardless of competition Kane has already scored half the amount of goals Ade scored in his most productive season and can only improve.

Plus how many headers have you actually seen Ade score for us? Despite the difference in mintues I reckon Kane scored as many head goals last season for us as Ade and the same or more headed goals this season. Ade's mythical heading ability left him once he joined us.

 

[eddiev14]

Agree completely, seems like stupid business to me for a team that plays a lone striker system. berahino has played it, but he's not great at the hold up play and he doesn't create a lot for others.

Exactly.

Also, your Defoe comparison is a good one. I haven't seen a striker so similar to JD for a while.

Over the past 3 summers it's been so frustrating to watch Villa (Benteke), Swansea (Bony) and now Southampton (Pelle) all sign exactly the type of striker we needed, all of them for less than £15m.

It spits in the face of this notion that there is no value out there (especially for strikers), and very much shows up our scouting efforts.

As I said, hopefully Mitchell will change that and we can find a quality number 9 of our own...

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Exactly.

Also, your Defoe comparison is a good one. I haven't seen a striker so similar to JD for a while.

Over the past 3 summers it's been so frustrating to watch Villa (Benteke), Swansea (Bony) and now Southampton (Pelle) all sign exactly the type of striker we needed, all of them for less than £15m.

It spits in the face of this notion that there is no value out there (especially for strikers), and very much shows up our scouting efforts.

As I said, hopefully Mitchell will change that and we can find a quality number 9 of our own...

And Berahino won't represent value. That's for sure.

 

[carpediem1906]

so... who to believe now?

which itk is / were more reputable?

 

[King Yid]

i have edited my post a bit re rose, i got confused about who the 'mutineers' were, i thought it was ade&co for a bit but i guess its kanes crew. thats how it goes when ur eager to post something and dont really read it properly first and then try and add bits from a bit of a q&a without having to make it even more confusing. ah well *taking a break*

To be honest, I find it encouraging. It will galvanise the likes of Kane, Mason and Eriksen (typically our better performers this season) and as a result a genuine team bond will start to form. Poch needs to capitalise on this now. If Ade, Kab and Cap are the antagonists they should be kept away from the first team for a couple of weeks. In a perverse way, this could be the most important thing to happen to Spurs this year and could finally see Poch's methods take hold.

I think our second half XI against Hull should be starting against Partizan and Everton in 442

 

[JAYSTAR]

Don't want Berahino. He's a slightly taller, slightly busier Defoe.

But can he get himself offside more than once a minute?
No? Then I'm not interested.

 

[Trees]

Agreed.

Don't understand the fuss with Berahino. Yes, he's scored a few goals but we need someone who can also play back to goal and bring our wide forwards into the game.

IMO, out of our strikers, only Soldado has shown this so far this season. In flashes though, because he's often not strong or tall enough to win aerial duals and get the ball down.

Berahino will cost north of £15m and that is stupid money for him.

We basically need Mitchell to find another Pelle!

Tbf Koeman found Pelle as he was under his nose at Feyenoord

 

[jimbo]

so... who to believe now?

which itk is / were more reputable?

That's not how it works. We all 100% believe the newest piece of information in full until it is replaced by something else.

ITK is for neophiles only. Believe!

 

[SpursDave88]

Personally I still believe the original ITK, if our garden is so full of roses, why do the players seem so poor and disinterested? Why was Kaboul dropped from the squad completely...

 

[Sasha75]

A&C proper ITK, we didn't start the fire eh....how did you know????

"Large fire Archway Sheet Metal Works"

 

[fatpiranha]

A&C proper ITK, we didn't start the fire eh....how did you know????

"Large fire Archway Sheet Metal Works"

Police are looking for a small, bald man carrying a petrol can who stopped to pick up a penny before running away from the area.

 

[dk-yid]

so... who to believe now?

which itk is / were more reputable?

The one that suits your preconceived notion.

 

[Mr Pink]

Don't want Berahino. He's a slightly taller, slightly busier Defoe.

I can sort of see why you say that BC but I don't think they're that similar in truth. You look at Beharino's goal against United a few weeks ago, he picks his spot and has the composure to do so. Defoe would of put his foot right through the ball in those instances. Personally I think he'll be a better finisher. I also think he gets involved more and isn't always looking to shift and shoot so to speak.

I'm not saying he's the answer for us but, IMHO, he's a bit different to Defoe.

 

[Darrkespur]

I can sort of see why you say that BC but I don't think they're that similar in truth. You look at Beharino's goal against United a few weeks ago, he picks his spot and has the composure to do so. Defoe would of put his foot right through the ball in those instances. Personally I think he'll be a better finisher. I also think he gets involved more and isn't always looking to shift and shoot so to speak.

I'm not saying he's the answer for us but, IMHO, he's a bit different to Defoe.

I quite like him as a young striker but I'm not sure he's a good choice as a lone forward in a 433/4231. He has great chemistry with Kane in the England U21s though so if Pochettino was willing to play the two together it could be very effective.

He has just got arrested today though...
http://news.sky.com/story/1379933/footballer-berahino-held-over-drink-driving

 

[whitesocks]

We do not need a conspiracy to explain all the absences against Hull, but there are too many sources saying that the senior players had a crisis meeting of some sort with MP.
After the Stoke result, this would hardly be a surprise.

We know that one consequence was that our captain was dropped against Hull for non-footballing reasons.

If we can put all the dubious Kane side show to one side, I don't see Kaboul as the villain here.
For all his recent playing faults he is a good professional.
I still think his captaining skills are good.

He just had concerns about our direction, imo, as many here do, and was brave enough to confront MP. That is what captains should do. And now he pays the price. (He'd be shot in South America).

We did see some changes against Hull - 2 strikers, and Lennon allowed to play wide on the right.
Dembele and Paulinho and chiriches brought out of the cold are good moves too.
So maybe some good came of this.

If one or more of Kaboul, Capoue and even Adebayor are thought to be our best options against everton, then they should play - everyone wants the same thing here. I think.

 

[prawnsandwich]

I would be more concerned if the players weren't angry and lashing out. I have gone back in this thread to see if the info I posted was already there-it appears it was but has been refuted or modified by other ITKs.
I am hoping like whitesocks that this has a positive outcome.
And I am really hoping the ITK that we are pulling out all the stops to get Berahino is true. 3 strikers is not enough.