The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 8 January 2011

[DoublePivot]

In fact, Pav's goals-per-minute ratio is only marginally inferior to Dzeko's.

Don't do that. Dzeko's true strength was his ability to link Misomovic/Diego to Grafite. The goals were an add-on bonus. He was like having a 6'3 van der Vaart who could do Crouchies job of knocking the ball down to himself.

Pav pops up for goals and then doesn't do much of anything else

 

[MilkyBarYid]

RE : ValenciaYid info

I know this guy gets stick, but his wording around the Edin Dzeko saga is almost word for word for what I was told. So i'll give him a thumbs up for that!

Does he? I thought he was one of the more respected ITK. Also COS.com have posted this:

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2011/01/08/tottenham-make-16-8m-bid-for-ajax-goal-machine-luis-suarez/

Dammit, they have just jinxed it.

 

[Spurger King]

ValenciaYid is the best of the best. Hope what he said about suarez is true, would be an incredible buy

Agreed. However I'd say that although this information pretty much confirms that we are after Suarez, it obviously doesn't imply that a deal is imminent.

Levy, as frustratingly frugal as he may be to some fans, has exactly the right attitude when it comes to getting a fair price.

If we do get Suarez, it will have to be considered a good deal. Many teams will try to squeeze every last ounce of cash out of a deal (which is of course their right), which is why I've always tried to rein in any excitement when I hear about our 'interests'...simply due to the numerous pitfalls existing between the interest and the acquisition.

 

[nicdic]

How many times are we gonna say caught offside articles don't really have anything to do with, well anything really.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I don't think old Jedi mind tricks work on this lot.

All this Suarez ITK is great, but I just see us strolling into February with what we have.

You say this every window

I'm hot and cold on Suarez. Haven't seen morebthsn thanked Ajax game and a world cup which started slow bit definitely improved for him. My instincts tell me he's better than what we've got. If he can find space in the box then he'd be great because his finishing seems superb and we create a shitload.

 

[stevenurse]

I'd love it to be true and I'm some respects I agree but our strikers can't put the ball in the net. Simple as. We would create chances for him and I'm sure he would be a success. I'm sure levy would stick a clause like £10m plus a certain amount for cl qualification and goals scored or something, would be a great signing at the right price.

 

[AngerManagement]

I suspect even their most fanatical supporters would hesitate to describe Heerenveen as a 'top team', AM, and the same goes for Breda. Downing laid on a shedload of chances for Alves—who missed nearly all of them. van Hooijdonk was a big success at Celtic, and was sensational for Forest in the Championship; these two facts tell you what the overall standard of the Eredivisie is like.

That said, I think Suarez will do well in the EPL, and unlike Huntelaar he has more to his game than scoring lots of goals. Also unlike Huntelaar, he's got a reasonable turn of pace—not Bent or Agbonlahor quick, but in the same bracket as Tevez. It's just his being a git extraordinaire I have a bit of an issue with.

Ok fair enough, but the point I was trying to make is that there are more factors involved than simply a player scoring goals in the Dutch league and not in the EPL.

Time to settle etc, now you mention it I remember Alves missing tons of chances for Borough, but that being said during his first season or so Drogba was a running joke in the league for the amount of chances he missed yet in time he developed into arguably the best in the league.

There clearly is a difference in quality between the two leagues and as illuatrated some players can score in inferior leagues and not in more competitive ones (numerous players score for fun in the Championship but do fuck all in the EPL, but then again they also go from playing for teams competing to win the league to teams fighting just to stay up)

Suarez like any striker we can sign currently would be a gamble, but we seem to be in a position where such a gamble is needed and I would rather try £16m on him than £25m on Carroll.

Keane out maybe even one of Pav/Crouch to make room with Suarez in and
either bring someone else in who can cover VDV for times in which he cannot play and we need the second striker (piennar for example)

 

[MilkyBarYid]

How many times are we gonna say caught offside articles don't really have anything to do with, well anything really.

Chill out, I don't take anything seriously from sites like COS, TransferTavern or Goal.com, I was simply pointing out they have cursed it already.:bang:

 

[rebrab]

He can take pens too, always a bonus :razz:

so can Snodgrass

 

[tommyt]

He can take pens too, always a bonus :razz:

so can Snodgrass

:grin: Sign him up

http://www.itv.com/sport/football/facup/news/arsenal-v-leeds-united-live/#intcmp=791600_123_1

 

[rebrab]

:grin: Sign him up

http://www.itv.com/sport/football/facup/news/arsenal-v-leeds-united-live/#intcmp=791600_123_1

:dance:

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Bayern sind in für Snodgrass!

 

[smudger]

don't know if anyones posted but harry on sureaz

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6641445,00.html

 

[chrissivad]

There is a thread in General football for todays game. Dont drag in in here as well please :up:

 

[nicdic]

And most of the Suarez stuff could really be in his thread really...

 

[Blockbuster]

SS57, i respect your posts on here but this hate campaign you have for Suarez is a bit much, you've said your point, time & time again.

How about leaving it there?

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

I have to have to agree with that but not because HR or DL don't recognise we need a striker but more because we can't find one either suited to us or not ready to move this Jan and might have to wait until summer

Problem is it's now the 6th window we've needed to address this problem of replacing Berbatov.

Not being funny but doesn't the old Dutch league excuse get boring? The goals aren't bigger in holland, if he can stick it in the top bin there then why couldn't he do it here? The fact he is an awesome finisher means fuck all when comparing leagues. He may get more time in holland but the fact the boy can shoot is the main reason for buying him. He will score goals, of that I'm sure

Of course there have been successes like RvN, Ibra and RvN.

But as well as the flops who couldn't step up to better leagues (Kezman, Alves, Huntelaar and Samaras etc) what concerns is that players like Kuyt and El Hamdaoui also who couldn't really score here yet also have great scoring records in Holland.

Remember El Ham is outscoring Suarez this season again (11 in 17 cf 7 in 13).

 

[nicdic]

Are really doing the Dutch league argument again? And Kuyt as an example of a player who doesn't score here is incredibly harsh.

 

[scat1620]

How many times are we gonna say caught offside articles don't really have anything to do with, well anything really.

As long as even sillier people keep referring to the articles in the first place? :shrug:

 

[mil1lion]

Not being funny but doesn't the old Dutch league excuse get boring? The goals aren't bigger in holland, if he can stick it in the top bin there then why couldn't he do it here? The fact he is an awesome finisher means fuck all when comparing leagues. He may get more time in holland but the fact the boy can shoot is the main reason for buying him. He will score goals, of that I'm sure

From what i've seen of Luis Suarez, he does shoot a lot but he also has shooting accuracy. I think he's a bit like Defoe but a bit more determined and more versatile.

However, RvN is the only striker I can think of who's matched his Eredivisie scoring record in England (actually, Mido did for a season before he went hippo). Anyone looking at Suarez' 35 league goals last season and thinking he'll do the same for us (I'm not saying that you are!) is liable to be seriously disappointed. I think he'll do well here.

I reckon he'd get about 20 league goals per season. But seeing as Bale and VDV are capable of 15+ league goals per season each, that would be a sound 50+ goals between the 3 in the League.

We dont really need him to get about 30+ goals.

On the subject of Pav, I believe he's our best striker, Defoe is the darling of Spurs fans, but Pav's stats are great. We haven't lost in the games he's started this year, he scores more goals too. I think given some real backing by a manager he'd really excell, just can't see him ever being given that sort of chance by Aitch.

I dont think Pav will ever excell tbh, he just doesn't have the desire and workrate to do so. I do rate him as a player, just wish he got more involved. A combination of Pavs technical ability and shooting and Crouchies work rate and assists would be perfect.

Suarez has more hunger and works harder than Pav. He's pretty much what I wanted Pav to be.