The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 8 January 2011

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I hope we dont get Suarez. Has not impressed me one bit and remember the dutch league is not exactly top quality. There is bound to be better strikers around if we are willing to spend the money.

Care to name these 'better' strikers that are waiting for us to snap them up?

Many good players have come from the dutch league and succeeded in world football. Remember Ruud Van Nistelrooy?

 

[Scutch]

peanut re: Beckham :

Not sure if he will be registered for the CL.

 

[mil1lion]

With VY also mentioning Suarez it really is sounding like he's our top target. I wonder if there will be much competition for his signature. I cant see anyone better than us going for him tbh. Come on Mr Levy, I know you can get it done.

It's rare for a team to sell their star striker in January. Even Athletico Bilbao look set to keep Llorente until the summer. The ones who are most likely are the teams who were braced to losing their striker last summer. They've had time to plan replacements. Dzeko being the big money one so far this window. Wolfsburg have known since the summer that Dzeko would be heading out the door. Ajax knew last summer they might lose Suarez, so this one could happen too. While Sevilla were braced to lose Fabiano aswell.

Those are the 2 I think are realisitc. I'd prefer Suarez without a doubt and i'm sure Daniel Levy does too.

 

[mil1lion]

No point registering Becks for 1 CL game. Especially when you consider he'd likely be a sub (i'm sure Harry will play Lennon and Bale in that game).

 

[nicdic]

I hope we dont get Suarez. Has not impressed me one bit and remember the dutch league is not exactly top quality. There is bound to be better strikers around if we are willing to spend the money.

If he hasn't impressed you Jimmy, you either have ridculous standards, or you're not very perceptive. He's a great finisher, he's done it in Holland, Europe and at the World Cup. The Eredivisie, while a lower level to the EPL doesn't mean very much. Players are regularly signing from weaker leagues and doing alright, and let's be honest there are risks signing players from any overseas leagues. I think he'll be a great signing.

 

[stevenurse]

Not being funny but doesn't the old Dutch league excuse get boring? The goals aren't bigger in holland, if he can stick it in the top bin there then why couldn't he do it here? The fact he is an awesome finisher means fuck all when comparing leagues. He may get more time in holland but the fact the boy can shoot is the main reason for buying him. He will score goals, of that I'm sure

 

[talkshowhost86]

Not being funny but doesn't the old Dutch league excuse get boring? The goals aren't bigger in holland, if he can stick it in the top bin there then why couldn't he do it here? The fact he is an awesome finisher means fuck all when comparing leagues. He may get more time in holland but the fact the boy can shoot is the main reason for buying him. He will score goals, of that I'm sure

Although there is an ounce of truth in that it is massively simplistic to say 'if he can put it in the net lets get him in'. By that token should we also be looking at Kenny Miller? Or as a more pertanent example, Darren Bent?

Being a striker is about alot more than just putting the ball in the net.

 

[kcmei]

Suarez - Now that is a name I'd like to see mentioned

 

[SpurSince57]

Care to name these 'better' strikers that are waiting for us to snap them up?

Many good players have come from the dutch league and succeeded in world football. Remember Ruud Van Nistelrooy?

However, RvN is the only striker I can think of who's matched his Eredivisie scoring record in England (actually, Mido did for a season before he went hippo). Anyone looking at Suarez' 35 league goals last season and thinking he'll do the same for us (I'm not saying that you are!) is liable to be seriously disappointed. I think he'll do well here.

 

[newbie]

Lets say he only scored 15 goals that would be 11 more in the league than the rest of our strike force have scored in half a season.

 

[newbie]

also sometimes its better a striker comes in haivng scored a few elsewhere it means there confirdence is high

 

[SpurSince57]

Lets say he only scored 15 goals that would be 11 more in the league than the rest of our strike force have scored in half a season.

It would be if our strike force had only scored four.

 

[nicdic]

I was just going to say that SS57, Pav has 5 on his own.

 

[AngerManagement]

Not being funny but doesn't the old Dutch league excuse get boring? The goals aren't bigger in holland, if he can stick it in the top bin there then why couldn't he do it here? The fact he is an awesome finisher means fuck all when comparing leagues. He may get more time in holland but the fact the boy can shoot is the main reason for buying him. He will score goals, of that I'm sure

It's true, it's all to easy to simply write a players goal scoring record off as being in the Dutch league and therefore of no merit.

It's something to consider yes, would his goal scoring translate well to our league.

but is there really any evidence to suggest players who score loads in the Dutch league are less than likely to repeat their success in the EPL?

Ok players like Alves/Kezman/PVH have all been better goal scorers in the Dutch league, but then they have either been first choice there and forced to fight for their place like Kezman at Chelsea or like the other two have gone from playing in top teams that win most games (hence more chances to score) into struggling teams in a more competitive league like Middlesborough orForest, how do we know how well Alves would have done at a better club for example?

 

[ryantegan]

RE : ValenciaYid info

I know this guy gets stick, but his wording around the Edin Dzeko saga is almost word for word for what I was told. So i'll give him a thumbs up for that!

 

[ryantegan]

:up: : ValenciaYid

 

[SpurSince57]

It's true, it's all to easy to simply write a players goal scoring record off as being in the Dutch league and therefore of no merit.

It's something to consider yes, would his goal scoring translate well to our league.

but is there really any evidence to suggest players who score loads in the Dutch league are less than likely to repeat their success in the EPL?

Ok players like Alves/Kezman/PVH have all been better goal scorers in the Dutch league, but then they have either been first choice there and forced to fight for their place like Kezman at Chelsea or like the other twohave gone from playing in top teams that win most games (hence more chances to score) into struggling teams in a more competitive league like Middlesborough or Forest, how do we know how well Alves would have done at a better club for example?

I suspect even their most fanatical supporters would hesitate to describe Heerenveen as a 'top team', AM, and the same goes for Breda. Downing laid on a shedload of chances for Alves—who missed nearly all of them. van Hooijdonk was a big success at Celtic, and was sensational for Forest in the Championship; these two facts tell you what the overall standard of the Eredivisie is like.

That said, I think Suarez will do well in the EPL, and unlike Huntelaar he has more to his game than scoring lots of goals. Also unlike Huntelaar, he's got a reasonable turn of pace—not Bent or Agbonlahor quick, but in the same bracket as Tevez. It's just his being a git extraordinaire I have a bit of an issue with.

 

[SpurSince57]

I was just going to say that SS57, Pav has 5 on his own.

In fact, Pav's goals-per-minute ratio is only marginally inferior to Dzeko's.

 

[nicdic]

Have to agree with you SS57, he has more about him than some of the other guys coming over from Holland. He is a git, but I think we need someone like that up top, just look at the impact Rafa has had hear, a large part of that, I feel, is down to his desire and will to win, which I think Suarez has too.

On the subject of Pav, I believe he's our best striker, Defoe is the darling of Spurs fans, but Pav's stats are great. We haven't lost in the games he's started this year, he scores more goals too. I think given some real backing by a manager he'd really excell, just can't see him ever being given that sort of chance by Aitch.

 

[kcmei]

ValenciaYid is the best of the best. Hope what he said about suarez is true, would be an incredible buy