The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 6th January 2011

[Azrael]

Bring back Steffan Iverson.

 

[Niko]

Suarez has to be a great shout, but ITK seems like he might be a last resort

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

Im not picking on crouchy himself but he just seems so frustrating that we have 4 strikers, and none of the fuckers can score.

im hoping harry is just being discreet but the whole point of ITK is that its stuff that isnt public knowledge and if behind the scenes it is know harry is happy then frankly we should all go home. its glaringly obvious that we need a striker and need him soon, i hate that we always wait until the end of the window, thats not me being impatient but its been so long that we have needed a proper number 9

2.5 years to be precise.

lets not be naive, there isnt too many strikers that couldnt be an improvement on what we have.

Blimey, even Saha showed last night what an improvement he'd be on our current shite.

 

[stevenurse]

personally id go all out for llorente, i doubt he would be as expensive as people think and if he becoming a regular starter in the best national team in the world then thats good enough for me. Fabiano on loan would be an improvement.

 

[dazherring]

Dojnt understand why we dont test liverpools resolve and thrown in a 25mill bid for torres.They dont have much cash so 25 mill is a decent potential kitty for a new manager. I really think a bid like that might turn their heads.

 

[dazherring]

Llorente is now a no go.Del Bosque the national manager said yesterday that he thinks llorente is a perfect fit for Madrid and tha he expects him to be sensational there when he joins in the summer???Maybe he knows more that what we have heard. Higuian is now out for the rest of the season too!

 

[brendanb50]

2.5 years to be precise.



Blimey, even Saha showed last night what an improvement he'd be on our current shite.

Can't agree with you on that one mate. I'll assume you meant it as tongue in cheek :wink:

I'd agree, the odd game he'll look the part and i have no doubt he has plenty of ability - But his injury record is appalling and Kaboul beats him for goals this season.

 

[dazherring]

Can't agree with you on that one mate. I'll assume you meant it as tongue in cheek :wink:

I'd agree, the odd game he'll look the part and i have no doubt he has plenty of ability - But his injury record is appalling and Kaboul beats him for goals this season.

To be fair mate i dont think Dan was saying sign him up.But what he said was essentially right. I thought Saha showed that he is more capable than any of our existing strikers. He is great in the air, quick, good hold up player, scores goals.Yes injury prone so thats why you wouldnt try and sign him but i think the point was still valid.

 

[SpurSince57]

personally id go all out for llorente, i doubt he would be as expensive as people think and if he becoming a regular starter in the best national team in the world then thats good enough for me. Fabiano on loan would be an improvement.

It's also good enough for Real.

Fabiano might be, but it seems he screwed us over in the summer—and more than a few people wondered if he was right for us then.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Looking at the ITK it seems this way.

Plus it seems Harry only approaches the most obvious players. I still think of the time when we nearly splashed out 34m on Kenwyne Jones and Steart Downing!!

From experience of past windows how often have we been linked to an exotic foreign name only to put a bid in for a recognised premiership player?

We get linked to Diarra and we bid for Parker
We get linked to Fabiano we bid for Bellamy

VDV was the first time Harry went outside the box so to speak and that kind of fell into his lap.

This time we have been linked to Llorente, Barrios etc.. but we have openly enquired about Carroll who Newcastle don't wanna sell. I would love it if we did pick up one of these other strikers we have been linked to but Harry seems reluctant on previous evidence to approach players from different leagues.

It's extremely unhealthy to live your life according to ITK.

As for the bit in bold. :lol:

Damn Redknapp and Levy looking for established players rather than spunking money on Carlos Kickaballs. Wankers.

 

[$hoguN]

It's extremely unhealthy to live your life according to ITK.

As for the bit in bold. :lol:

Damn Redknapp and Levy looking for established players rather than spunking money on Carlos Kickaballs. Wankers.

I have to say Lassana Diarra must fall into the bracket of an established premiership player rather than a Carlos Kickaball

 

[stevenurse]

well we should at least be going for players that some may believe are beyond us unless we want to stagnate, real, man city and the like cant buy ALL the class strikers can they?

 

[talkshowhost86]

personally id go all out for llorente, i doubt he would be as expensive as people think and if he becoming a regular starter in the best national team in the world then thats good enough for me. Fabiano on loan would be an improvement.

It's also good enough for Real.

Exactly. Yet again there seems to be a prevailing belief that signing world class strikers is easy:

1. Make bid for player
2. Bid accepted
3. Offer wages
4. Done deal

The fact is that in January teams are very reluctant to sell. It disrupts their season and unless the deal is done early (which is very rare) it allows no time to spend any money received.

Add to that the fact that we are looking for the most pricey asset in football, a goalscorer, and the chances of success diminish even further.

And to make matters worse we are far from being the biggest pull in terms of reputation or money which makes the process that little bit harder still.

Personally I'd go for Llorente to. Of course I would, I'd have gone for Dzeko as well. But it's not that simple. I am sure Harry would love to have a world class striker just as much as anyone else in world football would love to have a world class striker. But there aren't that many about, January is a tough market to buy in, there are richer clubs than us and we have to be sensible about money with a new stadium to consider in the future.

In short...'I'd go all out for Llorente' is a nice sentiment. But it's probably ignoring some of the harsh realities of the modern day transfer market.

 

[leelee]

I've heard from a friend of mine we're looking at Radamel Falcao but i'm not sure how accurate this is.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

It's extremely unhealthy to live your life according to ITK.

As for the bit in bold. :lol:

Damn Redknapp and Levy looking for established players rather than spunking money on Carlos Kickaballs. Wankers.

Ha ha.

Looking for established prem players does cut down are options somewhat and means we pay over inflated fees for average players. Unless you think 14m for Stewart Downing and 20m for Kenwyne Jones would have been fair prices at the time?

 

[mil1lion]

Saha was still shit in front of goal last night. Fair enough he got a goal early on, but he also missed some good chances. If that had been either of our strikers we'd be calling for him to be replaced.

I think all our strikers are of good quality and personally i'm happy for either to be backup players in the squad. We just need that special striker to be our lead goalscorer. Its great that we have 2 goalscoring midfielders in Bale and Van Der Vaart now. So the need for 2 lead strikers isn't important anymore (like we had with Keane and Berbatov). We just need that 1 top striker to lead the line. I just cant think of who is likely to be available mid-season.

 

[StanSpur]

lets not be naive, there isnt too many strikers that couldnt be an improvement on what we have.

Not sure what this means, is the double negative saying that practiacally every striker is better than what we have? i.e. there are very few strikers that wouldn't improve our strikeforce? If so a little harsh, if not then just bad english.

IMO Defoe is not good enough to be our main man, neither are Crouch, Pav or Keane so we are lacking in firepower. There aren't many out there but there are a few and we need to do our best to find one. In the ideal world we want VDV and another strong front man up front with Defoe and Crouch or Pav on the bench. It would give us the option to change the game/formation but as we are we just don't score goals with what we have.

 

[stevenurse]

ok, it wouldnt be hard to find an upgrade...understand?

personally it wouldnt upset me if between now and the end of the next window for us to get rid of all, except probably defoe for backup.

i understand we arent living in a football manager situation but its our own fault for not addressing the problem in the summer, we had 3 months to scout, plan, bid etc for improvements and we didnt. we have been extremely fortunate that so far we have got away with it but vdv and bale cannot carry our goalscoring burden all season, or at least shouldnt have to.

i know it will be paying a premium but we hardly spent big in the summer and with outgoing transfers and the champions league money now is the time before its too late and we end up in the sodding europa league which is frankly shite.

chelsea despite being in disarray me will come good eventually. at least last season we looked like scoring goals but lately we havent been creating as many chances as would be expected from a top 4 team.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Ha ha.

Looking for established prem players does cut down are options somewhat and means we pay over inflated fees for average players. Unless you think 14m for Stewart Downing and 20m for Kenwyne Jones would have been fair prices at the time?

No....of course not. But what proof is there that those prices were what we were looking at? That'll be ITK then, which was exactly my point.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

I have to say Lassana Diarra must fall into the bracket of an established premiership player rather than a Carlos Kickaball

He could have become established, but I don't think he managed to establish himself anywhere before going to Madrid. And hasn't established himself there really has he?

Having said all that crap, I would take him in a heartbeat as I think he is quality :lol: