The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 11 January 2011

[KingKay]

Can't say that Neville exactly went out his way to be friendly to the away support. Don't know where he's coming from there. Sounds interesting though, i think he'd be a good leader for the team.

 

[Dr Know]

From ebspurs via COYS: Phil Neville

Update to my post in December when I was advised Phil Neville had asked Simon Davies about where to live in the proximity of Tottenham's training ground. Last week I was advised that he will be signing this week and would be in the squad for the Man Utd game. Today I have been told that Moyes has stopped the move but that Phil Neville will now be asking for a transfer.

POTL did say in my original post that there was no chance of this happening and POTL knows a hell of a lot more about what is going on at the club than I do. My source is someone close to Neville's agent.

We did notice in the 2nd half of the match at Everton that Neville went out of his way to be friendly to Spurs fans who were giving him banter.. make of it what you will but the person giving me the info is adamant that we want him and that he wants to come and I am posting in good faith.

We will anyway know soon enough!

Shit!! The best piece of news I heard all day was from SSN where Moyes said Nev ain't going nowhere

Good job I always take a dose of salt before I read anything in here!!

 

[rockyhotspur]

This link to Neville confuses me. We have 3 perfectly good right backs already and have had to let Walker go out on loan to get experience. The only thing that I can think of is that we are going to sell either Corluka or Hutton and have a purchaser already lined up. But next season what happens when Walker comes back. Surely after 6 months at Villa he would be ready to at least be back up to Corluka or Hutton.

 

[spurslenny]

Why would GN want to come to us? Surely he'd be giving up a guaranteed start, to be just a squad player for us?

Goes against our transfer policy of young/resale value

 

[Berglad]

I don't want to see the words "Neville" and "update" together.

Jesus, exactly. Harry gets does get some bizarre fixations sometimes. I think Neville's done quite well for Everton actually, but why would we buy a 34 year old right back who's no better than Hutton and Corluka (and possibly Kaboul, Walker, and Naughton)? If Harry really wanted an experienced player there, slide Gallas over!

Our transfer priority should be 1) getting a striker, 2) thinning out the squad/wage bill by offloading Bentley, Keane, Dos Santos, and O'Hara, 3) getting a more speedy backup for Lennon and/or Bale, but I'd rather wait til summer for that if it means getting Marin. Downgrades and sideways moves need not apply!

 

[TEESSIDE1]

You can't help but get the assumption that Redknapp rates Neville because he's 'apparently' twice stopped Bale.

The 1st occasion was just after a busy period/champs league game and the players (Bale & co) were knackered.

The 2nd occasion was again after a busy period and Neville just resorted to kicking him or relying on Coleman to double team him so to speak.

Not forgetting that Everton play with 11 men behind the ball ....

I say stick with kamikaze Hutton and Slothuka until the summer and monitor Walker's progress on loan at Villa ... if he does well, bring him back and integrate him into the team.

Use the money mean't for Neville to buy one way tickets to the moon for Keane, Crouch, Pava .... and to hire a limo to pick up Forlan and Suarez/Van Wolfswinkel from the airport

 

[Rupstoh]

Why would GN want to come to us? Surely he'd be giving up a guaranteed start, to be just a squad player for us?

Goes against our transfer policy of young/resale value

Gary Neville?

Get it right for god's sake. :rofl:

 

[TwoSaintsComeMarching]

Hmmm.. interesting! From alllll the ITK, I believe ebspurs' the most. Why? Because he sounds credible, intelligent and he was the first one to break the Neville story (which does appear to have legs sadly).

All the ITK thus far has been bullshit mashed up from the night before's papertalk.

 

[ChristianBaler]

Hmmm.. interesting! From alllll the ITK, I believe ebspurs' the most. Why? Because he sounds credible, intelligent and he was the first one to break the Neville story (which does appear to have legs sadly).

All the ITK thus far has been bullshit mashed up from the night before's papertalk.

I'm pretty sure it was Roger Morgan on Spurs Odyssey who brought up the Neville news....back on January 6

 

[chrissivad]

I'm pretty sure it was Roger Morgan on Spurs Odyssey who brought up the Neville news....back on January 6

ebspurs brought it up before the transfer window started. Its why (i dont think) we have anything from him in the ITK section.

 

[DoublePivot]

If Harry really wanted an experienced player there, slide Gallas over!

Here's a point I'd like to make. There were many posters who thought Gallas would be an excellent signing and that we shouldn't worry about his age.

Fine. He's been okay. Not great, and probably got in the way of the development of Bassong, but had some good performances too.

However, one of the reasons we were sold on him was because of the "experience" he was bringing.

So let's agree that it has failed. Had Gallas brought experience we wouldn't have 2 clean sheets in the league and need to buy more and more players to do this role. Once agian, done okay, but not done what we were sold on....OBVIOUSLY

But I don't want to be sold the same shitty excuse again. We were 4th without the experience. We're 4th now. I don't need another player that may not be able to provide it. I don't need Beckham or Neville, when Gallas and Keane can't do the job. They myth that leadership and a winning mentality come from age is such a load of shit. I'm older than dirt, and have neither. Those who have it, have it. No matter the age.

Why do this song and dance again? Or more importantly, why do some seem so ready to accept it again.

 

[spurslenny]

Gary Neville?

Get it right for god's sake. :rofl:

oops! Sorry about that, brain freeze!

Anyway, shut up, you know who I mean! :grin:

 

[Darrkespur]

Here's a point I'd like to make. There were many posters who thought Gallas would be an excellent signing and that we shouldn't worry about his age.

Fine. He's been okay. Not great, and probably got in the way of the development of Bassong, but had some good performances too.

However, one of the reasons we were sold on him was because of the "experience" he was bringing.

So let's agree that it has failed. Had Gallas brought experience we wouldn't have 2 clean sheets in the league and need to buy more and more players to do this role. Once agian, done okay, but not done what we were sold on....OBVIOUSLY

But I don't want to be sold the same shitty excuse again. We were 4th without the experience. We're 4th now. I don't need another player that may not be able to provide it. I don't need Beckham or Neville, when Gallas and Keane can't do the job. They myth that leadership and a winning mentality come from age is such a load of shit. I'm older than dirt, and have neither. Those who have it, have it. No matter the age.

Why do this song and dance again? Or more importantly, why do some seem so ready to accept it again.

I don't think that's fair, Gallas has played extremely well in a number of games, and a couple I think he's really saved us points. He was a bit shaky earlier on when he was drafted in still unfit, but since regaining match fitness he's been excellent. I think the only blame for our lack of clean sheets is the constant chopping and changing of our centre backs due to injury, which meant they never got properly accustomed and organised, although Kaboul and Gallas were starting to get there at one point. Experience has its uses. I don't think we should sign Neville, but I don't think think Gallas deserves to be written off for his age, he's played an important role this season. Without him with all our other centre backs out, we would have struggled a lot more.

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

I know its not a Spurs linked transfer rumour, but I see BBC Gossip have Negredo linked with Liverpool today.

I remember he was flavour of the month here a couple of windows back when we were linked with him. Since then I haven't heard much about him and was wondering if anyone has been following his progress. Would he still be worth a punt for us or have we progressed enough that he would be of no use to us?

Ok player, but not great. He and Llorente were pretty neck-and-neck for a space in Spain's WC squad, but Llorente has stormed ahead now. He's keeping Fabiano out of the Seville team though.

How's Forlan been getting on this year? Him and Suarez looked quality together in the World Cup although I don't know how that would work with VdV being in the team as well.

It wouldn't work - Forlan and vdV play exactly the same role. Uruguay line up:

Cavani-----Suarez
------Forlan

Cavani is their #9, Suarez the poacher and Forlan the #10. Of the 3 if anything we need Cavani as he's the only one capable of playing as a lone forward ahead of vdV.

Why does Ajax have a problem with us (as per the ITK)? Is there any club that does like dealing with us?

The Spurs and Ajax boards always have and still are close. It's a 'Chelsea Blue' thing.

Would be so funny if we got 2 strikers after all this waiting :lol:

Forlan, Suarez, Defoe, VDV :hump:

Shortest, less aerially able, striker force in history? No great pace there either (although Forlan isn't a slouch).

Napoli have first refusal at agreed price, 14m I think

It's an agreement but not sure it's first refusal. If we offer his buy-out clause price (£24m) we may be able to do business for Cavani now.

 

[NickHSpurs]

DP, Gallas may have had a shaky start but he was thrown in at the deep end with no preseason and he wasn't fit.

As soon as he got match fit, he put in some amazing performances and has been one of our most consistent players. To say his signing is a failure is absolute nonsense!

 

[kyle]

I don't think its a coincidence that Becks & Neville both have experience in winning league titles. I think Harry wants players who have seen it, done it & help inspire the younger players to believe they can too.

With the Pienaar/Nev story breaking at the same time I wonder if we agreed not to pursue Neville if a more beneficial deal for Pienaar could be made? Dunno if these things actually happen in reality (there were rumours of something similar regarding Corluka & Bellamy) but who knows?

Also kudos to Ryan. Pretty sure he was the first to call how interested we were in Pienaar a good few months back.

 

[Mr Pink]

Here's a point I'd like to make. There were many posters who thought Gallas would be an excellent signing and that we shouldn't worry about his age.

Fine. He's been okay. Not great, and probably got in the way of the development of Bassong, but had some good performances too.

However, one of the reasons we were sold on him was because of the "experience" he was bringing.

So let's agree that it has failed. Had Gallas brought experience we wouldn't have 2 clean sheets in the league and need to buy more and more players to do this role. Once agian, done okay, but not done what we were sold on....OBVIOUSLY

But I don't want to be sold the same shitty excuse again. We were 4th without the experience. We're 4th now. I don't need another player that may not be able to provide it. I don't need Beckham or Neville, when Gallas and Keane can't do the job. They myth that leadership and a winning mentality come from age is such a load of shit. I'm older than dirt, and have neither. Those who have it, have it. No matter the age.

Why do this song and dance again? Or more importantly, why do some seem so ready to accept it again.

Gallas has been very good since November, I would say his performances have ranged from good to excellent since then.

I reckon you're in the minority with those views...and to call his move a failure is verging on irrational.

 

[Mr Pink]

I don't think its a coincidence that Becks & Neville both have experience in winning league titles. I think Harry wants players who have seen it, done it & help inspire the younger players to believe they can too.

With the Pienaar/Nev story breaking at the same time I wonder if we agreed not to pursue Neville if a more beneficial deal for Pienaar could be made? Dunno if these things actually happen in reality (there were rumours of something similar regarding Corluka & Bellamy) but who knows?

Also kudos to Ryan. Pretty sure he was the first to call how interested we were in Pienaar a good few months back.

Absolutely. Some underestimate the value of mental strength and know how.

 

[Gedi]

I can't say I've ever followed much of Phill Nevilles career but why all the bemusement about him replacing Hutton/Corluka/Walker, didn't he start out playing on the left? I'm sure he and Gary played plenty of games together for Manchester United, I'd have thought he'd be considered as a replacement/back-up for Assou-Ekotto? Admittedly a right-footed one.

 

[wcfnw]

Here's a point I'd like to make. There were many posters who thought Gallas would be an excellent signing and that we shouldn't worry about his age.

Fine. He's been okay. Not great, and probably got in the way of the development of Bassong, but had some good performances too.

However, one of the reasons we were sold on him was because of the "experience" he was bringing.

So let's agree that it has failed. Had Gallas brought experience we wouldn't have 2 clean sheets in the league and need to buy more and more players to do this role. Once agian, done okay, but not done what we were sold on....OBVIOUSLY

But I don't want to be sold the same shitty excuse again. We were 4th without the experience. We're 4th now. I don't need another player that may not be able to provide it. I don't need Beckham or Neville, when Gallas and Keane can't do the job. They myth that leadership and a winning mentality come from age is such a load of shit. I'm older than dirt, and have neither. Those who have it, have it. No matter the age.

Why do this song and dance again? Or more importantly, why do some seem so ready to accept it again.

You can't be serious! Billy Gallas has been immense for us since the Arsenal game. He has battled through injury in many games just to fight for the cause!

And if Harry says that 'experience' and a 'winning mentality' are important then thats good enough for me. The guy knows what he's doing.

So despite what many think Phil Neville has been solid for Everton all season and would be a useful addition to the squad covering at Right back, left back and in midfield.