The beginning of the end...

[tommyt]

Wenger could be an option...?

 

[Chirpystheman]

how do you work out Sanchez has been at fault for 3 goals? McGin wasn't his man and Sanchez wasn't tall enough to cut out the through ball. what did he do wrong for the City goals. yes he was out of position for a ball over the top for Newcastle's goal but had Rose not paused on his run back, might of got a block in.

I agree Rose hasn't been great, but how do you know it wasn't Rose's choice to stay behind to try and find another club?

Well on the first goal against Villa he got involved in a wrestling match with wesley and his positioning was woeful. By the time he stopped fighting with wesley and turned round the ball bounced about a yard away from him. If he had dropped straight away it wouldnt have got to McGinn. Against City he let aguero go way to easily. For the goal against newcastle his job seemed to be to man mark joelinton as when ever he dropped off sanchez went with him. Times sanchez was following him and was higher up the pitch than winks. So why on earth did he give him the freedom of the pitch. Joelinton being the only forward shouldnt have not had a defender within 10 yards of him. Feel free to go back and watch them. Hope that clears it up.

As for Rose the club came out and said they had told players they could leave and offered them to stay in the UK. Eriksen came but was also told he could stay. Rose stated publically in the press he wants to stay at spurs and I also have pals who have his number and speak to him occasionally. He stated to them he doesnt want to leave and was gutted that the club were trying to shift him in the summer.

 

[theShiznit]

Sanchez wasn’t out of position for the Newcastle goal. A back four is supposed to operate as a unit and not leave huge gaps between each other. Toby shifted over to cover danger on the right and therefore so does Sánchez to close the gaps. Rose should have did the same to get closer to Sánchez and therefore meaning he could mark Joelinton. Instead he was caught ahead of play leaving a huge gap between him and Sánchez which Joelinton fully exploited. Anyone who blames Sánchez has a fundamental misunderstanding of how a back four operates. The fault is all on Rose.

It's all very well saying the defence has to shift across (which it does) but there has to be an awareness of what attackers are around you, as if memory serves Jolinton was the only attacker in attendance and Sanchez was totally unaware of him for the sake of staying close to Toby contributing to him having the space to score. It's like when you see defenders running in straight lines to get back into position when they are the closest to the man in possession and could easily engage, you have to weigh up the pro's and cons, admittedly very quickly but that's what a gifted defender does; reads situations and does what's best for the team, it's those defenders that make the game look easy.

I've played with defenders that have totally left players clean through on goal when they could easily have got the ball because "it wasn't my man" that can't be right...

What I'm saying is, doing the "right thing" isn't always the best thing for the team.

 

[jurgen]

Wenger could be an option...?

Rodgers is always super positive and pumped about himself in press conferences so he’d be a good option given how upset some people are at Poch being a bit mardy when talking to reporters

 

[james Stock]

Rose to blame for the Toon goal, just watching the guy get away, he could not have been in a better position to react. But like the Villa goal he ended up on his arse. Too little , too late.

 

[pablo73]

The most depressing aspect of all this is that the thing I used to love most about Poch was his positivity. I remember Mourinho bitching at the start of last season about lack of signings etc and smugly thinking how lucky we were to have Poch who resolutely refused to make excuses or say anything negative, despite lack of signings, playing at Wembley etc.

Nowadays he looks permanently pissed off, snaps at journalists over seemingly innocuous questions and constantly comes out with negative, ambiguous statements which can only have a harmful effect. I want the old Poch back, what happened to that guy?

 

[Mark_147]

Wenger could be an option...?

Why not, we got George Graham

 

[Gassin's finest]

Wenger could be an option...?

 

[ajspurs]

Wenger could be an option...?

Funniest post I've seen in a while

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Wenger could be an option...?

Mate, Sol Campbell is available, let's not overlook this fact.

 

[Lighty64]

Well on the first goal against Villa he got involved in a wrestling match with wesley and his positioning was woeful. By the time he stopped fighting with wesley and turned round the ball bounced about a yard away from him. If he had dropped straight away it wouldnt have got to McGinn. Against City he let aguero go way to easily. For the goal against newcastle his job seemed to be to man mark joelinton as when ever he dropped off sanchez went with him. Times sanchez was following him and was higher up the pitch than winks. So why on earth did he give him the freedom of the pitch. Joelinton being the only forward shouldnt have not had a defender within 10 yards of him. Feel free to go back and watch them. Hope that clears it up.

As for Rose the club came out and said they had told players they could leave and offered them to stay in the UK. Eriksen came but was also told he could stay. Rose stated publically in the press he wants to stay at spurs and I also have pals who have his number and speak to him occasionally. He stated to them he doesnt want to leave and was gutted that the club were trying to shift him in the summer.

When Wesley was the only man at the time that needed marking he did what you said he should of been doing against Joelinton, you man mark him due to his pace as at the time he was the only threat.

I suggest you watch the City goals again, Alderweireld was marking Aguero and let him get in front

https://www.mancity.com/citytv/matc...ttenham premier league video highlights short

and with Newcastle goal take a look at @JUSTINSIGNAL post who quoted me, Rose shouldn't of been so wide just like the Villa goal

 

[SpartanSpur]

It's all very well saying the defence has to shift across (which it does) but there has to be an awareness of what attackers are around you, as if memory serves Jolinton was the only attacker in attendance and Sanchez was totally unaware of him for the sake of staying close to Toby contributing to him having the space to score. It's like when you see defenders running in straight lines to get back into position when they are the closest to the man in possession and could easily engage, you have to weigh up the pro's and cons, admittedly very quickly but that's what a gifted defender does; reads situations and does what's best for the team, it's those defenders that make the game look easy.

I've played with defenders that have totally left players clean through on goal when they could easily have got the ball because "it wasn't my man" that can't be right...

High level stuff, but even the best make errors, and Sanchez is still learning. Cover from the full back was a lot more basic defending in that situation for me. I know where the blame lies in my mind, and it's not the new Colombian scapegoat. I like both players, so just calling it how I see it.

 

[Shadydan]

Wenger could be an option...?

Man's got jokes

 

[theShiznit]

High level stuff, but even the best make errors, and Sanchez is still learning. Cover from the full back was a lot more basic defending in that situation for me. I know where the blame lies in my mind, and it's not the new Colombian scapegoat. I like both players, so just calling it how I see it.

I'm not into scapegoats either, just seems to me Sanchez was closest man, and by moving closer to Toby whilst unaware of Jolinton's position he just opened up that space.

 

[Hakkz]

Nuno?

The guy comes with Jorge Mendes as a backpack so I wouldn't think he was even an option.

 

[nailsy]

Nagelsmann is one to watch for the future. He's only just moved clubs so wouldn't be available now and I really hope that we don't need to look for anyone for a while.

 

[Ronwol196061]

It's all very well saying the defence has to shift across (which it does) but there has to be an awareness of what attackers are around you, as if memory serves Jolinton was the only attacker in attendance and Sanchez was totally unaware of him for the sake of staying close to Toby contributing to him having the space to score. It's like when you see defenders running in straight lines to get back into position when they are the closest to the man in possession and could easily engage, you have to weigh up the pro's and cons, admittedly very quickly but that's what a gifted defender does; reads situations and does what's best for the team, it's those defenders that make the game look easy.

I've played with defenders that have totally left players clean through on goal when they could easily have got the ball because "it wasn't my man" that can't be right...

What I'm saying is, doing the "right thing" isn't always the best thing for the team.

Its an interesting one. I think Sanchez is not great when it comes to positioning,I also think that a high line has its negative side and that's that is almost impossible to play the high line and mark at the same time but to be off an attacker too far is not good.With saying that it would be good to know if we are playing some kind of zone defence and that would explain it somewhat

 

[dk-yid]

This thread will be long forgotten come the end of October.

Even if we do ride out this storm, turn things around and get back on the positive train every bad result, bad day or odd comment from Poch in the coming years will see this thread revived in the post match meltdown mayhem.

 

[danielneeds]

Nuno?

I'm still not totally 100% convinced by him. He's done amazing for Wolves, but he did get given a lot of first class Mendes-talent.

 

[DJS]

Mate, Sol Campbell is available, let's not overlook this fact.

Just imagine...

We actually appoint him and he goes on to win everything there is that can be won.

Would be fucking hilarious. ????