Terry banned for four matches

[jurgen]

Uh oh.. come on Charles...

"John is a great centre-half, a great servant to his country, an inspiration and a very passionate and proud Englishman," said Hart. "It's a shame we've lost him as he's still got so much ability. It's a big blow, but it's John's decision. I don't know what's going on in John's life on or off the field. I don't know his body or his frame of mind. I only know that, when I'm here with England, training and eating chicken and pasta next to him, he's a really good guy, a good person and, football-wise, an inspiration.

 

[sherbornespurs]

Uh oh.. come on Charles...

"John is a great centre-half, a great servant to his country, an inspiration and a very passionate and proud Englishman," said Hart. "It's a shame we've lost him as he's still got so much ability. It's a big blow, but it's John's decision. I don't know what's going on in John's life on or off the field. I don't know his body or his frame of mind. I only know that, when I'm here with England, training and eating chicken and pasta next to him, he's a really good guy, a good person and, football-wise, an inspiration.

..........Hart went on to say; "And as for that Jimmy Savile fella, well, he was the salt of the earth, an absolute diamond he was - once shared a cigar and a cheese and ham roll with the bloke, sat next to him I did. An' all that charity work he did for kids....blah.....blah.....don't know what went on in his life....inspiration....trawled hospital wards, he did....blah......blah.

 

[Wellspurs]

..........Hart went on to say; "And as for that Jimmy Savile fella, well, he was the salt of the earth, an absolute diamond he was - once shared a cigar and a cheese and ham roll with the bloke, sat next to him I did. An' all that charity work he did for kids....blah.....blah.....don't know what went on in his life....inspiration....trawled hospital wards, he did....blah......blah.

Brilliant.... and as for Bin Laden, he didn't actually know how to fly and the women he stoned were really asking for it?

 

[Mullers]

This is the bit where i get neg repped no doubt, but the cultural origins of that from Suarez make it a lot less racist than what Terry said to Ferdinand. Negrito is not a racist word in South America, however what occurred after the incident was a shambles.

Who has decided that negrito is not racist in South America? The non black majority? Big deal. It's interesting to note that the Honduras prime minster resigned in 2009 after calling president Obama, el negrito three times.

 

[brasil_spur]

Who has decided that negrito is not racist in South America? The non black majority? Big deal. It's interesting to note that the Honduras prime minster resigned in 2009 after calling president Obama, el negrito three times.

Non black majority is a clever but not accurate term. What you're basically saying there is that racism only occurs to black people. Furthermore if you split South America out into ethnic groups, then there is no real majority group, although the black and mixed-black group makes up a very significant percentage of the overall ethnic mix.

Oh and Honduras isn't in South America.

But since you've bought it up his resignation was mainly due to the fact that Honduras relies HEAVILY on the US to survive and as the term negrito is racist in the US (as it is in the UK too), then as a political figure he had no choice but to resign, especially as it gave his opponents all the ammo they needed to gain political ground on him.

 

[Mullers]

Non black majority is a clever but not accurate term.

The majority of South Americans are not black so it seems pretty accurate to me.

What you're basically saying there is that racism only occurs to black people. Furthermore if you split South America out into ethnic groups, then there is no real majority group, although the black and mixed-black group makes up a very significant percentage of the overall ethnic mix.

Huh, no I suggested no such thing.

Oh and Honduras isn't in South America.

I'm aware of that, Central and South America aren't similar in anyway are they?

But since you've bought it up his resignation was mainly due to the fact that Honduras relies HEAVILY on the US to survive and as the term negrito is racist in the US (as it is in the UK too), then as a political figure he had no choice but to resign, especially as it gave his opponents all the ammo they needed to gain political ground on him.

I guess if you think that Suarez is borderline, then I guess you'd say the same about Honduras ex PM?

 

[brasil_spur]

The majority of South Americans are not black so it seems pretty accurate to me.

There is no real majority race in SA though, that is my point, it's not like Europe where white/non black is the clear majority.

I'm aware of that, Central and South America aren't similar in anyway are they?

Well they speak Spanish if that's what you mean. But Honduras is as far from South America (over 1,000 miles) as most of central Europe is from Africa, so you really can't begin to compare regions with such vast geographic distances.

I guess if you think that Suarez is borderline, then I guess you'd say the same about Honduras ex PM?

I'm not really in touch with central and north American politics so i couldn't comment on that.

 

[Mullers]

There is no real majority race in SA though, that is my point, it's not like Europe where white/non black is the clear majority.

But my point is that negrito is acceptable in a place where black people are a minority. In Uruguay they took the piss out of the whole incident and had actor blacken his face pretending to be Evra.

You say that the origins of negrito are not racist but the word was introduced by Spanish colonists to describe the indigenous population in Philippines and other parts of South East Asia. Those groups do not exist in South America to the best of my knowledge so it's being applied in south America to anyone who is black or has dark skin.

Well they speak Spanish if that's what you mean. But Honduras is as far from South America (over 1,000 miles) as most of central Europe is from Africa, so you really can't begin to compare regions with such vast geographic distances.

Of course you can compare, language is just one part of it, there other things, like music, art, family life, fashion, politics amongst other things where central and south america have things in common. Much more similar than central Europe and Africa.

 

[brasil_spur]

But my point is that negrito is acceptable in a place where black people are a minority. In Uruguay they took the piss out of the whole incident and had actor blacken his face pretending to be Evra.

You say that the origins of negrito are not racist but the word was introduced by Spanish colonists to describe the indigenous population in Philippines and other parts of South East Asia. Those groups do not exist in South America to the best of my knowledge so it's being applied in south America to anyone who is black or has dark skin.

I never said the origins weren't racist.

What you mention above about the actor blacking his face is EXACTLY my point - this is seen as racism in the UK, but NOT in SA - at least not in the same way.

They see it as taking the piss out of someone for their colour, in the same way someone in the UK might take the piss out of a Welsh person by calling them a sheep shagger, or a ginger person for being ginger. Is it insulting - yes, is it racist - not in SA.

 

[Mullers]

I never said the origins weren't racist.

What you mention above about the actor blacking his face is EXACTLY my point - this is seen as racism in the UK, but NOT in SA - at least not in the same way.

They see it as taking the piss out of someone for their colour, in the same way someone in the UK might take the piss out of a Welsh person by calling them a sheep shagger, or a ginger person for being ginger. Is it insulting - yes, is it racist - not in SA.

You said the origins were less racist and I definitely don't think it is,you also said negritio was not a racist word in South America and I was explaining why that's the case.

The rest of your argument is a similar thing to what Gus Poyet said and I don't buy it really, being dark skinned carries the same social stigma in many areas in South America as it does in other places in the world. Suarez knew exactly what he was doing and cultural misunderstanding had nothing to do with it.

 

[hoodlum]

Thought this said Terry Banged Four Matches.




I wasn't surprised.

 

[brasil_spur]

You said the origins were less racist and I definitely don't think it is,you also said negritio was not a racist word in South America and I was explaining why that's the case.

I'm not sure how using an example from a country which is situated approx. 1,000 miles from the nearest (and most northern) point in South America explains much of anything really.

The rest of your argument is a similar thing to what Gus Poyet said and I don't buy it really, being dark skinned carries the same social stigma in many areas in South America as it does in other places in the world. Suarez knew exactly what he was doing and cultural misunderstanding had nothing to do with it.

I think it's clear we'll never share the same opinion on this matter and as such i don't see much point in continuing on with debating it, however as my final point - yes there is racism in South America, however i personally don't believe that someone using the term 'negrito' in either a friendly manner or in a heat of the moment type situation should be called a racist.

 

[michaelden]

Terry should be banned for as long as Suarez was.

And Serbia FA fined fucking millions to really wake them up, and ban them from all competitions for 6 years.

 

[tommo84]

Anyone else think Terry is holding off announcing whether or not he's appealing because he is actually going to appeal?

My thinking is that he is willing to be banned for an extra 2 games in order to be able to play in the matches against us and Man United that he would otherwise be suspended for.

Whatever he decides, the delay in announcing it displays no remorse or acceptance of any guilt even in light of the published reporton the hearing.

 

[nightgoat]

My thinking is that he is willing to be banned for an extra 2 games in order to be able to play in the matches against us and Man United that he would otherwise be suspended for.

Wouldn't surprise me. Doesn't he have to say whether or not he's going to appeal by tomorrow?

 

[montylynch]

After what happened last night, Racism is definitely at the forefront of peoples thinking. He'd be better off swallowing it and doing the 4 matches. The FA won't look too lightly on the shenanigans of chelsea players recently.

Part of me wants him the play saturday though, purely for the untold amount of stick he'll get from the crowd and the fact the Bale always has him on toast.

 

[whitelightwhiteheat]

I hope he plays. Gareth Bale will get him sent off again, hopefully!

 

[montylynch]

I hope he plays. Gareth Bale will get him sent off again, hopefully!

And that will be another three games......I like your plan !!

 

[Gb160]

I hope he plays. Gareth Bale will get him sent off again, hopefully!

I have to admit I really want him to play for various reasons..
1 Because bale is on fire ....and made Rio Ferdinand ,who i rate much higher than terry,look like a pub player
2 Because AVB knows Terrys weaknesses better than anyone,and how to exploit them
3 Because he is a detestable little toad and I wanna shout stuff at him....
4 ....See reason 3

 

[tommo84]

Wouldn't surprise me. Doesn't he have to say whether or not he's going to appeal by tomorrow?

Yeah Thursday is the deadline. The only other reason I can think he has been holding off announcing his decision is if he's waiting for the aftermath of the England game so that he can try to 'bury' his acceptance of the ban in all the press coverage on the national team.

Surely if that were his reasoning, though, today would have been the best day (post-Serbia reaction, Warsaw farce, still the matter of an England game to write about).