Match Threads Spurs vs Wolves - Match Thread

[Phil-spur99]

We were unlucky today, didn't deserve to lose.

You make your own luck with defending like that.

 

[Ronwol196061]

Don’t worry bro. There are those for whom no amount of positivity or sense will make a dent. They don’t want it.
They want to wallow in their misery and drag everyone else into it with them.

True but you shouldnt mix up constructive criticism with negative criticism,objectivity with subjectivity or truth with patrotism

 

[Deleted member 27995]

You make your own luck with defending like that.

Ah, Wolves were lucky really. Never mind.

 

[King of Otters]

We were unlucky today, didn't deserve to lose.

We were lucky to score twice considering we created fuck all throughout the match.

Wolves did just as much as they needed to to win the game. After playing away on Thursday night they didn’t even need to get out of third gear to score three goals.

Unlucky my arse.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

We were lucky to score twice considering we created fuck all throughout the match.

Wolves did just as much as they needed to to win the game. After playing away on Thursday night they didn’t even need to get out of third gear to score three goals.

Unlucky my arse.

Yeah but it's just a point of view.

I mean everyone droned on how lucky we were in the reverse when I thought we did to Wolves what Wolves did to us today.

Weird, innit?

 

[rossdapep]

you can be as positive as you like about our attacking play, since last season our defense is just fucking clown shoes, its pathetic.

Fulham at home last season - got at us more than they should have.

United away - cut open many times but due to their awful finishing we were able to pick them off.

Liverpool at home - cut open time and time again but they didn't take their chances.

Chelsea away - comedy errors, Trip own
goal.

City CL away - conceded 4 but could easily have been 6

Ajax home and away - cut open a lot and they could easily have made the final if they'd made their chances count.

Wolves away - went 3- up but Wolves had really let us off the hook, very lucky to not have thrown away a 3 goal lead.

Arsenal away - conceded 4, embarassing.

Burnley away - even a crap team cut us open through the middle

Plus countless other examples.

Our defending has been clown shoes for much longer than this season.

It regressed as soon as Dembele's influence wained, we sold Walker (losing our recovery), Rose lost his focus and then Wanyama got permacrocked. Since then Jan has lost his stature, Toby has regressed and Foyth has proven to not be trusted.

That leaves us with...
Aurier - doesnt have the recovery or consistency of Walker.

Davies - lacks tenacity although he's fairly dependable

Sanchez - Doing well but due to his age (still developing) and playing in this team is going to expose his weaknesses.

Tanganga - he's very inexperienced and as well as he's done, he's going to have days like today where his youthful exuberance gets the better of him.

In front of them

Winks - in a low block he's okay, not spectacular but when we try to attack there are gaps all over the shop cause Winks is not defensive.

Lo Celso - he's tenacious and snaps at ankles but he's no defensive cover as he can't screen.

Ndombele - cannot be trusted defensively as he doesn't have the nous nor the ability to cover ground.

So there you go, that's what Jose is working with.

Tell me how we should be better defensively?

 

[cjbyid]

you can be as positive as you like about our attacking play, since last season our defense is just fucking clown shoes, its pathetic.

This. Since we've left white hart lane our defence went to shite, coincides with wanyama getting injured.

 

[Twizzle]

Jose complains about our injured attacking options but our defense has let in 7 goals now in our past 3 PL games

our defense seems to be our biggest problem

 

[Ben1]

Jose complains about our injured attacking options but our defense has let in 7 goals now in our past 3 PL games

our defense seems to be our biggest problem

Yeah, but apart from attacking and defending, we've got it nailed.

 

[rossdapep]

This. Since we've left white hart lane our defence went to shite, coincides with wanyama getting injured.

If you watch any Wanyama highlights video you'll see a player who was quick to get to the danger, a player who would block the path or bully players off the ball, a player who would track and then snap the ball away from an advancing midfielder, a player who would be quick to second balls, a player who would win aerial duels.

Who in our current squad is capable of doing any of these things competently?

 

[King of Otters]

Yeah but it's just a point of view.

I mean everyone droned on how lucky we were in the reverse when I thought we did to Wolves what Wolves did to us today.

Weird, innit?

Not the same at all. We snatched a last minute winner at their place, deserved or otherwise. They took the lead with over 20 minutes to play and we did literally fuck all in response. No shots on target, no shots off target. Fuck. All.

How can that be deemed ‘unlucky’?

 

[bozzaSPUR]

Good post.
I totally agree with it.
It feels like a bit of a chicken and egg scenario... what is needed is players to take risks and make things happen, because quite frankly, lots of our players have the ability to do this. But the players don’t want to make mistakes, so play it safe, which ultimately invites pressure from the opposition.
I thought we were past this, as an established team, but is there any merit bringing in an experienced player in, who has won things to calm
us down etc.
It’s all a bit confusing at the mo.

Just back from the game and don’t totally agree with everything you’ve said. We were abject defensively all game; it doesn’t help when we don’t have an out and out DM but the back three of the five were not good enough. Tanganga is still learning so we must forgive him the odd mistake like their first goal that he handed to Doherty on a plate but Sanchez has loads of experience internationally in that position and yet he is still a liability. Dier was ok but lacked any real steel. If you employ five at the back with the two full backs acting as wing backs they must get forward, help to create chances with crosses and ‘bulk’ up the midfield. To be fair to Aurier I thought that he did that, more successfully in the first half culminating in a superb goal. Davies went missing for there last two goals and rarely passes the ball forward nor supplies dangerous crosses.
Lo Celso looks good but Winks is merely a work horse; he too, rarely supplies an incisive forward ball.
Now Moura must have been our MOM. His work ethic is phenomenal. Granted he doesn’t always make the right decision but he works very hard for the team, defensively as well and comes in for some rough treatment from opposition defenders when trying to win headers when the ball is played up from the back. I haven’t seen enough of Bergwijn yet to make any judgement which leaves Dele. I know he gets stick from a few on here for his general demeanour and his tendency to try to be too clever with his ‘flicks’ but today I thought he tried to do things more simply with some success. However, he missed a relatively easy header and should have done better with an overhead kick in the first half. So eventually to your point about sitting back; it may have looked that way but I don’t really think that it was. Problem one as outlined before is we have too few offensive passers. They are either not capable and opt to pass it backwards or sideways, are playing it safe because they lack confidence or god forbid are acting on instructions. The second problem is down to a lack of movement from today’s front three. In transition, a number of promising openings stalled (resulting in forward/sideways passing) because our front three were not making any runs or using their brains and trying to find space. At other times there was no one up there because they had tracked back to help out defensively or had come back looking for the ball which they wouldn’t have to do if our wing backs were effective.
As much as I am hugely disappointed with the result I am trying to give a balanced viewpoint and support the team. What I find hard to fathom is why a coach of Mourinho’s standing fails to tactically change the game during the game not just in the last 15 minutes and the referee’s involvement...a truly terrible performance.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Not the same at all. We snatched a last minute winner, deserved or otherwise. They took the lead with over 20 minutes to play and we did literally fuck all in response. No shots on target, no shots off target. Fuck. All.

How can that be deemed ‘unlucky’?

We were definitely unlucky. If that was another day Serge would have had the ref blow up for the foul on him in the build up to the winner. Lucky Wolves.

Just an opinion isn't it?

 

[Nebby]

Jose complains about our injured attacking options but our defense has let in 7 goals now in our past 3 PL games

our defense seems to be our biggest problem

We also have no effective shield in midfield, wing backs that don’t work back, and a forward line that gives up possession far too often. People complain about the lack of investment, but I’d rather we focussed on the poor choices we make when we do spend. It’s the money ball strategy that looks flawed.

 

[King of Otters]

We were definitely unlucky. If that was another day Serge would have had the ref blow up for the foul on him in the build up to the winner. Lucky Wolves.

Just an opinion isn't it?

A moronic opinion, but yeah it’s an opinion.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Not the same at all. We snatched a last minute winner, deserved or otherwise. They took the lead with over 20 minutes to play and we did literally fuck all in response. No shots on target, no shots off target. Fuck. All.

How can that be deemed ‘unlucky’?

Well, if we're cordoning the game off into segments we can make any game look how we want it to

 

[Deleted member 27995]

A moronic opinion, but yeah it’s an opinion.

Yeah I get that, but it's fucking annoying isn't it? So imagine what it's like for me reading 75% of the shite on here after a match. Swings and roundabouts.

 

[King of Otters]

Well, if we're cordoning the game off into segments we can make any game look how we want it to

Yeah, maybe. But in the context of this conversation a team that goes behind with 20 minutes to play and fails to register a single shot in response can in no way consider themselves ‘unlucky’.

That’s called getting beat by a better team.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Yeah, maybe. But in the context of this conversation a team that goes behind with 20 minutes to play and fails to register a single shot in response can in no way consider themselves ‘unlucky’.

That’s called getting beat by a better team.

Yeah but they were not the better team. They were the team that were more ready to take their chances. Even if the last goal shouldn't have stood.

Horses for courses ...

 

[ajspurs]

We also have no effective shield in midfield, wing backs that don’t work back, and a forward line that gives up possession far too often. People complain about the lack of investment, but I’d rather we focussed on the poor choices we make when we do spend. It’s the money ball strategy that looks flawed.

Yeah was going to say the same thing. We don't have the personal to provide good enough protection to the defence. I think we'd concede more than we should despite who we have in there. Getting someone to sit in front of them and actually break up play would make a huge difference to this side IMO but of course we definitely need more than one position addressed to see the changes we all want to see.