Spoilt Children

[MrsKeane]

I'm just flirting, SP.

Get a room you 2

 

[Misfit]

Jealousy is an ugly emotion, MrsKeane.

 

[MrsKeane]

Grrrr system wouldn't let me add in this!

 

[HappySpur]

The thing I wither at with these types of rants is that it really doesn't accommodate for a very shitty day. It takes the reactions over a period of a set group of haters and uses an outcry when people are low to lop them in with the real vicious fans.

Let people have their rants. They need them after days like yesterday. They need them after periods like the recent one. They aren't bad supporters or bad people. They just give a shit and you can't cut them a little slack for one measly day. C'mon man. Have a soul. Not everybody deals with the downs like you do. You want a better Spurs Warrior Templar Supporter Drone.....then start by being one. No matter who you like or dislike at the club, the one thing that is for certain is that this shit pile isn't the supporters fault, so turning on each other does no good.

 

[Misfit]

The thing I wither at with these types of rants is that it really doesn't accommodate for a very shitty day. It takes the reactions over a period of a set group of haters and uses an outcry when people are low to lop them in with the real vicious fans.

Let people have their rants. They need them after days like yesterday. They need them after periods like the recent one. They aren't bad supporters or bad people. They just give a shit and you can't cut them a little slack for one measly day. C'mon man. Have a soul. Not everybody deals with the downs like you do. You want a better Spurs Warrior Templar Supporter Drone.....then start by being one. No matter who you like or dislike at the club, the one thing that is for certain is that this shit pile isn't the supporters fault, so turning on each other does no good.

 

[HappySpur]

And as I think about it Spunky, you're one of the best posters here. And I know this sucks for you too and you're trying to make sense of this storm and seeing a lot of stupid comments bandied about without any concept of forethought, afterthought or just plain thought most likely doesn't make any of this better for you and the incredibly level headed people that can traverse this insanity with a modicum of actual sanity. I applaud you for that. And I think just as you should allow people to blow up, maybe some of those blowing up should take 10 seconds to think about their fellow lillywhites who are dealing with all of the same emotions and perhaps they should stop typing stream-of-consciousness. This sucks. But we all know it sucks, so saying just how much you think it sucks probably not aiding our collective mind-rape. Then again, your rant actually might be fairly pertinent. But just look at your post for a minute before hitting post. Because here, on this site, when you vent, the only people you are possibly hurting....are the people the most like you and the ones sharing your pain. Levy isn't here. Neither is Harry, nor Jenas, nor Tim, nor Brad, nor any of them. But there are a lot of goddamn fine Yids here. And "blah blah blah Eat my diseased dick, Harry or Levy or Modric" only harms them.

Time of grieving is over. Time to stand up and be counted isn't. So you want to be counted as a negative, foul mouthed cretin? Or something better? Up to you....and this includes me.

 

[ravo]

The bit that really fucks me off about Redknapp is that he will never take responsibility when things are going badly. He is teflon.

 

[Kendall]

2 seasons of underachivement including once spectacular fall from grace. If not being OK with that is being spoilt, then I definitely am.

 

[StartingPrice]

Get a room you 2

More of an outdoors kinda guy, meeself, Mrs K

 

[SeanyMc]

"Don't you wish your left back was B-A-E."

no, I would prefer someone who could actually defend. Now if he was an attacking midfielder perhaps

 

[dimiSpur]

Not the players, not the staff, you lot. We all know Spurs fans are the ficklest of the fickle, but over the last few weeks even my jaded and calloused brain has been shocked at the bile and absolute guff being spouted on here, if i was told in the summer that with 4 games to go we'd be in with a great shot of 4th and a slim shout at 3rd, I'd be pleasantly surprised. Yes we've imploded a bit, we've seen some poor performances in comparison to how great we were this season, but it's not terminal, we're far from in 'crisis', stop being so bloody dramatic.

We've been spoilt, we were tipped as title contenders, it was silly but we actually had a very slim chance, we couldn't take it (who knows what could have been if we took points at the Etihad), but while the title challenge fizzled away, what it left seems to be an awesome sense of entitlement and expectation. What started as 'we could get champions league if we're lucky' turned into 'we should be challenging the elite, despite the gulf in finances', we aren't going to become one of the big guns overnight, it will go well, it will go badly, but we have a chairman who is looking at the long game and a team who can beat anybody on their day, we beat AC Milan last year, anybody remember that?

Don't get me wrong, i don't like Redknapp, never have, but then i don't like Mourinho or Fergie either, no matter how you feel about them you cannot doubt their talent or the fact they get results. Lets not forget, this season we have played some of the best football I've seen a Spurs team play, Redknapp was our lord and saviour, you cant argue that he hasn't been hugely responsible for dragging us out of our perennial mediocrity, i don't know if anybody knows but we had taken 2 points from 8 games when he came in, that's true that is. Nobody saw such a dramatic slump coming, nobody knows quite how the England debacle has affected things, so how about you stop pretending like you've always hated him and this was obvious and he's the worst thing that's ever happened to anyone ever. We could be Aston Villla fans, we could be West Ham fans, hell we could be Darlington or Portsmouth fans, grow up and notice how good we have it, you all make us look like the millionaire who whines about how crap his life is because his Aston Martin has a broken tail light.

We've only just fallen out of the champions league spots for the first time in ages, we've got some of the most talented players we've had in years, talent doesn't just disappear, it will come to the fore again, we don't need dramatic changes, not yet. There is so much to play for, yes we've lost a few games we shouldn't have, lets not forget how many other big clubs have fallen to QPR over the last few weeks (and the fact it clearly wasn't a free kick, but the whole victim mentality was overplayed last week, cant do it again). Yes, its been crap to watch, it's been frustrating, things have gone wrong and we shouldn't have lost such ground on those around us, but it's the reaction of the fans which is making us look like a laughing stock, you don't know how good we really have it.

Have you lot forgotten what it is like to be Spurs fans? We never do anything the easy way, that's what makes it sweeter when we finish the roller coaster on at the top. You want consistent boring victories? Be a Celtic fan, go watch Real Madrid, if you cant take the rough patches without resorting to baying for blood or spazzing out like a retired Major reading the Daily Mail, pick another team, hell, pick another sport. We can do this, nothing is broken, its just a little dented.

TL;DR- Stop behaving like spoilt children and put the toys back in the pram long enough to support the team for the biggest 4 games in a long while.

I usually agree with 99% of what you say mate, but I have to disagree on this one.

I don't think people are being pedantic in their criticism. OTT maybe, with demanding Harry's head, but that's not the majority of fans anyway.

I think being where we were, and the way we were playing, to have become so bad, seemingly overnight, with no answer from anyone - players or manager - as to how to overcome it, fans are entitled to voice their discontent.

I was at QPR, and the fans stayed with the team throughout. Tried to encourage them numerous times in the 2nd half, but the team seems to be hapless at the moment in the final third of the pitch. Harry just seems to be repeating the same thing after every match, putting the stretch of bad form to bad luck. So is he insinuating that the good form from October to February was lucky then?

I don't suggest Harry should be sacked (mainly because I want The FA's compensation). But I want a different man in charge for the start of the new season. At the end of the day, Harry is a dislikeable character. When things are going well he's the media darling hanging out of car windows for SSN. He often talks about Spurs as "they" in interviews, and he's always looked like a man that has the England job at heart. Now we're losing the plot, he's blaming everything on luck and paper thin squad's, constantly lowering our expectations from one week to the other. From title contenders we've gone to Harry saying Newcastle are favourites for 4th, almost envious of the fact they have no pressure to succeed in attaining a CL spot. That's not a manager suited for "shit hitting the fan" moments of the season. Top managers should relish the chance to succeed under pressure, not be envious of Alan Pardew's lower load of expectation resting on his shoulders.

 

[dav3j]

2 seasons of underachivement including once spectacular fall from grace. If not being OK with that is being spoilt, then I definitely am.

The bit that really fucks me off about Redknapp is that he will never take responsibility when things are going badly. He is teflon.

This, and this.

I've not ventured into knee-jerk territory this season and avoided the forum over the weekend. Those of you who follow me on Twitter will have seen my mini-rant earlier this morning, but this is all stuff I have been thinking about for quite a while, and most definitely does not make me, or anyone else unhappy with Redknapp, "Spoilt Children". Let's summarise:

• "2 points from 8 games" - oft spouted, now we are looking at 6 points from our last 9. Why so quiet Arry?
• As mentioned above, takes the plaudits for our first half of the season performance, now claims we overachieved and fails to accept responsibility for our current form.
• Title-winning form to relegation form. There's only one man who should be held accountable for this.
• No Plan B. Sure we're all armchair pundits, but the persistent excuses and lack of tactical invention from him really does defy belief sometimes.
• Expectations rise. We have been top 5 material (blips aside) since 2006. Consolidation and improvement is the name of the game, and while the first half of the season looked like our best season in my entire time supporting Spurs, we are now slipping back into 5th/6th territory. Not good enough.

The sad fact is, I've reached the end-of-the-Ramos-era apathy. I knew we would fuck it up against QPR, I watched a stream of the game, failed to get frustrated by the shoddy play on offer, didn't expect us to pull it back, and wasn't even that bothered when we lost. This is supposed to be the team I love watching, yet the same old crap over the last couple of months is getting a bit too much to stomach. I don't even know how I'm supposed to get enthusiastic about going to the last game of the season, as I'm fairly sure CL qualification will be out of our hands by then. So, thanks in advance for screwing up my birthday weekend Harry.

 

[Spurger King]

The sad fact is, I've reached the end-of-the-Ramos-era apathy. I knew we would fuck it up against QPR, I watched a stream of the game, failed to get frustrated by the shoddy play on offer, didn't expect us to pull it back, and wasn't even that bothered when we lost. This is supposed to be the team I love watching, yet the same old crap over the last couple of months is getting a bit too much to stomach. I don't even know how I'm supposed to get enthusiastic about going to the last game of the season, as I'm fairly sure CL qualification will be out of our hands by then. So, thanks in advance for screwing up my birthday weekend Harry.

Exactly this. Every word of that is how I felt. From the expectation of failure, disinterestedly watching a stream knowing full well we were going to fuck it up - even the indifference to the last game of the season that my girlfriend bought tickets for as a present a couple of months ago.

The Fulham game will feel like a wake, with the fans mourning the death of our season. I feel like I should wear black and bring cucumber sandwiches.

 

[dav3j]

Exactly this. Every word of that is how I felt. From the expectation of failure, disinterestedly watching a stream knowing full well we were going to fuck it up - even the indifference to the last game of the season that my girlfriend bought tickets for as a present a couple of months ago.

I just keep thinking back to that loss as Stoke just before Ramos got booted. It's that same apathy and acceptance that we're severely underperforming, and will probably continue to do so until there is a big change within the team. Arry's got one foot out the door already, and frankly doesn't seem to give a flying fuck any more.

 

[Spurger King]

I just keep thinking back to that loss as Stoke just before Ramos got booted. It's that same apathy and acceptance that we're severely underperforming, and will probably continue to do so until there is a big change within the team. Arry's got one foot out the door already, and frankly doesn't seem to give a flying fuck any more.

He really doesn't. To be honest I began to feel that way when we drew 1-1 with Stoke at home this season. VDVs last minute goal just left me feeling indifferent. Since then Arsenal have bent over backwards to keep us in the race, but every single time we've failed to capitalise. Norwich was the nail in the coffin. QPR was expected, and we all know how the Blackburn game will go - concede a stupid goal (probably from a corner) then fail to break them down for the rest of the game, with Harry using his tactical guile in the 3rd minute of injury time to bring on Cudicini for VDV.

The biggest cheer against Fulham will probably be for Martin Jol.

 

[dontcallme]

The simple fact is I am very concerned with how we will progress as a club.

We've bought a few experienced, stop-gap, fill-the-hole kind of players to fill the squad. That's fine if they bring the desired results, in this case top four or a cup. It's almost certain that we won't achieve that this season.

So are we improving? In most ways I'd have to say no.

We've replaced a talented but calamity-prone keeper with a 40 year old who is good but not exactly agile.

In defence Walker, BAE and Kaboul have stepped up and could make 3 of our back five for the next 5 years. We have two old centre backs in need of replacing and Bassong who played so well for us when we finished 4th the first time is suddenly out in the cold.

In midfield Lennon continues at his level. A good player but showing no signs of moving up to international level. Bale is bizarrely being developed as a playmaker when his main assets are his pace, work-rate and crossing. Modric is on his way out and we have Parker on a contract for another 3 years. Sandro is not playing and he could become a world class player. But we need to find a role for him and give him a platform to develop.

Up-front we are reliant on a loan striker whose wage demands are way out of our league. Our other striker can't play as a lone striker and Saha surely won't get a new contract with us at the end of the season.

We've got a short-term strategy that isn't getting the desired results and isn't making the most of the talent we have at the club.

Have we had it worse? Yes, but that's no way to live your life. I want to believe we are moving forward and making the most of what we have. I don't believe we are doing that right now.

 

[eddiebailey]

Get lost, with 10 games to go we was 10 points clear in third since then the club has had it's biggest humiliation in fucking years if ever, you saying we should be grateful, because we are having it so good? We haven't just imploded a bit, we have had catastrophic fall from grace. The fans are the way they are no, because of this 10 points clear of the scum with 10 game to go.... this is what is killing everyone, not where we thought we was going to be at the start of the season.

It is not the fans that are humiliating the club, it's that **** of a manager and his over inflated ego and what is happening on the pitch that is doing the real humiliation.

At work, everyone else is laughing their asses off at us and taking the right piss, because of them over paid bunch of ungrateful, over paid layabouts, yeah we really have had so good.... Shut up

I would imagine this is the sort of petulant bollocks Spunkybackpack had in mind when he wrote his original post.

It is an exceedingly bad run of results, but under Harry we have also had brilliant runs of results, to rescue us from potential relegation to more than mid-table safety, to secure Champions League football, in the Champions League campaign, and this season to take us into a position where, despite this current bad run, we are still realistic contenders for a Champions League place. The last few seasons have been the most enjoyable to be a Spurs fan since David Pleat first time round.

No-one is saying Harry should be exempt from criticism, but give him some respect of what he has achieved.

 

[SpunkyBackpack]

I would imagine this is the sort of petulant bollocks Spunkybackpack had in mind when he wrote his original post.

It is an exceedingly bad run of results, but under Harry we have also had brilliant runs of results, to rescue us from potential relegation to more than mid-table safety, to secure Champions League football, in the Champions League campaign, and this season to take us into a position where, despite this current bad run, we are still realistic contenders for a Champions League place. The last few seasons have been the most enjoyable to be a Spurs fan since David Pleat first time round.

No-one is saying Harry should be exempt from criticism, but give him some respect of what he has achieved.

It took four pages for someone to say what i was getting at but in a less ranty and irritating way, where the hell were you?