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SpunkyBackpack

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Dec 8, 2005
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Not the players, not the staff, you lot. We all know Spurs fans are the ficklest of the fickle, but over the last few weeks even my jaded and calloused brain has been shocked at the bile and absolute guff being spouted on here, if i was told in the summer that with 4 games to go we'd be in with a great shot of 4th and a slim shout at 3rd, I'd be pleasantly surprised. Yes we've imploded a bit, we've seen some poor performances in comparison to how great we were this season, but it's not terminal, we're far from in 'crisis', stop being so bloody dramatic.

We've been spoilt, we were tipped as title contenders, it was silly but we actually had a very slim chance, we couldn't take it (who knows what could have been if we took points at the Etihad), but while the title challenge fizzled away, what it left seems to be an awesome sense of entitlement and expectation. What started as 'we could get champions league if we're lucky' turned into 'we should be challenging the elite, despite the gulf in finances', we aren't going to become one of the big guns overnight, it will go well, it will go badly, but we have a chairman who is looking at the long game and a team who can beat anybody on their day, we beat AC Milan last year, anybody remember that?

Don't get me wrong, i don't like Redknapp, never have, but then i don't like Mourinho or Fergie either, no matter how you feel about them you cannot doubt their talent or the fact they get results. Lets not forget, this season we have played some of the best football I've seen a Spurs team play, Redknapp was our lord and saviour, you cant argue that he hasn't been hugely responsible for dragging us out of our perennial mediocrity, i don't know if anybody knows but we had taken 2 points from 8 games when he came in, that's true that is. Nobody saw such a dramatic slump coming, nobody knows quite how the England debacle has affected things, so how about you stop pretending like you've always hated him and this was obvious and he's the worst thing that's ever happened to anyone ever. We could be Aston Villla fans, we could be West Ham fans, hell we could be Darlington or Portsmouth fans, grow up and notice how good we have it, you all make us look like the millionaire who whines about how crap his life is because his Aston Martin has a broken tail light.

We've only just fallen out of the champions league spots for the first time in ages, we've got some of the most talented players we've had in years, talent doesn't just disappear, it will come to the fore again, we don't need dramatic changes, not yet. There is so much to play for, yes we've lost a few games we shouldn't have, lets not forget how many other big clubs have fallen to QPR over the last few weeks (and the fact it clearly wasn't a free kick, but the whole victim mentality was overplayed last week, cant do it again). Yes, its been crap to watch, it's been frustrating, things have gone wrong and we shouldn't have lost such ground on those around us, but it's the reaction of the fans which is making us look like a laughing stock, you don't know how good we really have it.

Have you lot forgotten what it is like to be Spurs fans? We never do anything the easy way, that's what makes it sweeter when we finish the roller coaster on at the top. You want consistent boring victories? Be a Celtic fan, go watch Real Madrid, if you cant take the rough patches without resorting to baying for blood or spazzing out like a retired Major reading the Daily Mail, pick another team, hell, pick another sport. We can do this, nothing is broken, its just a little dented.

TL;DR- Stop behaving like spoilt children and put the toys back in the pram long enough to support the team for the biggest 4 games in a long while.
 

Ironskullll

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Nov 15, 2010
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Hear hear, I've wanted to say something like this for a while now but just couldn't find the words. The only consistent thing about Spurs for the last 40 or 50 years has been the sort of wankerfan you've just described.
 

StartingPrice

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Feb 13, 2004
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I have tried to stick with RatKknip, and have, likewise, repeatedly made the argument that if we attain top 4 (which we can still do) then we will have reached our pre-season goal.
But, face it, yesterdays capitulation makes it clear that we have virtually no chance of finishing above the Goons, even though they have slipped up a few times now and allowed us the chance of getting back into it - folk are well entitled to be a more than a bit miffed at that.
Also, for playing 4-4-2 against Bond's advice, when he knew it would leave us open and he could see that it was leaving us open, "because people said we looked good" and for moaning about squad depth after yesterday's debacle after letting pienaar, Bassong and Corluka go out on loan at Christmas (due to his total inability to rotate or man-manage a squad), means, IMHO, we are well entitled to tear him a new one at this precise moment.
 

Rout-Ledge

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Jul 29, 2005
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I don't agree with the abuse of the manager. Treating Harry like a piece of shit after his time with us is deeply unfair and disrespectful to the man who delivered our best season in a long long time (I won't use the word ungrateful as I don't believe it's appropriate).

However, I believe the time is right for us to move on from him for reasons I've set out in another thread, and it's not 'spoilt child syndrome' leading me to do so. I've come to the conclusion after having weighed up the situation in my mind, considering his entire tenure with us and all the decisions he's made, and all his achievements and failures. So disagree with me, go right ahead. But don't go thinking you're on some higher moral ground than I for doing so. It's just a difference of opinion, that's all.
 

SpunkyBackpack

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However, I believe the time is right for us to move on from him for reasons I've set out in another thread, and it's not 'spoilt child syndrome' leading me to do so. I've come to the conclusion after having weighed up the situation in my mind, considering his entire tenure with us and all the decisions he's made, and all his achievements and failures. So disagree with me, go right ahead. But don't go thinking you're on some higher moral ground than I for doing so. It's just a difference of opinion, that's all.

I didn't say there's a moral high ground, nor did i say that criticism of Harry is what makes people come across as spoiled either, that's fine, it's what the board is for, it's the sense of entitlement and inability to see either the bigger picture or the wood for the trees that's hacking me off. I also think it might be for the best if he moved on, and i don't think he's taken responsibility for the slump like he should have either.
 

punkisback

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If we had been fighting for 4th having been in 5th or 6th for the majority of the season I would be allright with how our season ended. However we were ten points clear of fourth and in the title race. 3rd or even 4th was ours to lose not ours to achieve.
 

Mr Pink

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Aug 25, 2010
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Imploded a bit? Do me a favour - that's the euphemism of the century.

Personal abuse to Harry isn't right but don't try and lump everyone in the same boat with this, there are plenty of people who think the time is right to part ways and have never insulted Harry personally.

There are also some who have defended Harry to such lengths that they're totally oblivious to what's unfolding in front of them.
 

Rout-Ledge

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Jul 29, 2005
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I didn't say there's a moral high ground, nor did i say that criticism of Harry is what makes people come across as spoiled either, that's fine, it's what the board is for, it's the sense of entitlement and inability to see either the bigger picture or the wood for the trees that's hacking me off. I also think it might be for the best if he moved on, and i don't think he's taken responsibility for the slump like he should have either.

I did have to take a bit of a guess as to who exactly your post was aimed at, so my mistake if I got it slightly wrong.

I'm not sure what the bigger picture is exactly at the moment though? If we finish outside the top four this season with top players wanting a move, we're in a bit of a pickle aren't we?
 

StartingPrice

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Feb 13, 2004
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Also, what is classed as personal above.

I have always referred to him as Wobbly-Chops and The Twitcher, more as terms of endearment as anything else - even when we were winning, as well as my colourful and highly amusing plays on his name :eek: :eek: :eek:
 

DJS

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Dec 9, 2006
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Not the players, not the staff, you lot. We all know Spurs fans are the ficklest of the fickle, but over the last few weeks even my jaded and calloused brain has been shocked at the bile and absolute guff being spouted on here, if i was told in the summer that with 4 games to go we'd be in with a great shot of 4th and a slim shout at 3rd, I'd be pleasantly surprised. Yes we've imploded a bit, we've seen some poor performances in comparison to how great we were this season, but it's not terminal, we're far from in 'crisis', stop being so bloody dramatic.
We've been spoilt, we were tipped as title contenders, it was silly but we actually had a very slim chance, we couldn't take it (who knows what could have been if we took points at the Etihad), but while the title challenge fizzled away, what it left seems to be an awesome sense of entitlement and expectation. What started as 'we could get champions league if we're lucky' turned into 'we should be challenging the elite, despite the gulf in finances', we aren't going to become one of the big guns overnight, it will go well, it will go badly, but we have a chairman who is looking at the long game and a team who can beat anybody on their day, we beat AC Milan last year, anybody remember that?
Don't get me wrong, i don't like Redknapp, never have, but then i don't like Mourinho or Fergie either, no matter how you feel about them you cannot doubt their talent or the fact they get results. Lets not forget, this season we have played some of the best football I've seen a Spurs team play, Redknapp was our lord and saviour, you cant argue that he hasn't been hugely responsible for dragging us out of our perennial mediocrity, i don't know if anybody knows but we had taken 2 points from 8 games when he came in, that's true that is. Nobody saw such a dramatic slump coming, nobody knows quite how the England debacle has affected things, so how about you stop pretending like you've always hated him and this was obvious and he's the worst thing that's ever happened to anyone ever. We could be Aston Villla fans, we could be West Ham fans, hell we could be Darlington or Portsmouth fans, grow up and notice how good we have it, you all make us look like the millionaire who whines about how crap his life is because his Aston Martin has a broken tail light.
We've only just fallen out of the champions league spots for the first time in ages, we've got some of the most talented players we've had in years, talent doesn't just disappear, it will come to the fore again, we don't need dramatic changes, not yet. There is so much to play for, yes we've lost a few games we shouldn't have, lets not forget how many other big clubs have fallen to QPR over the last few weeks (and the fact it clearly wasn't a free kick, but the whole victim mentality was overplayed last week, cant do it again). Yes, its been crap to watch, it's been frustrating, things have gone wrong and we shouldn't have lost such ground on those around us, but it's the reaction of the fans which is making us look like a laughing stock, you don't know how good we really have it.
Have you lot forgotten what it is like to be Spurs fans? We never do anything the easy way, that's what makes it sweeter when we finish the roller coaster on at the top. You want consistent boring victories? Be a Celtic fan, go watch Real Madrid, if you cant take the rough patches without resorting to baying for blood or spazzing out like a retired Major reading the Daily Mail, pick another team, hell, pick another sport. We can do this, nothing is broken, its just a little dented.
TL;DR- Stop behaving like spoilt children and put the toys back in the pram long enough to support the team for the biggest 4 games in a long while.

This post is in desperate need of spaces between sentences lol.
 

kernowspur

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Sorry SBP, but i have said that Redknapp has no tactical nous ever since we appointed him and his comments over the last few weeks have condemned him out of his own mouth. Redknapp loves the glory when things are going well and never admits any responsibility when things go wrong. I have supported Tottenham for well over 50 years and during that time we have had some poor managers, but never any who come out with the sorts of excuse that redknapp has been trotting out. He is an average manager who believes the hype written about him.
 

SpunkyBackpack

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This post is in desperate need of spaces between sentences lol.

I know! There were there when i typed it out i promise! Stupid forum editing my poorly thought out threads to make me look more stupid, it's Rob's fault, changing to 442 when he should have kept it at... oh hang on I'm at crossed purposes again.
 

RichieS

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Dec 23, 2004
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Sorry mate, 3 weeks or so ago I would have agreed with you but this is much more than 'a bit of a slump'. Maybe the squad isn't quite as good as we thought it was and maybe our position 10 points clear in third was a bit false due to not having played any of the top teams in our good run, but there can be no excuse for the run of form that sees us second bottom of the form table over the last nine games.

Many peoples expectations were raised by our good performances and the fact that the manager himself was saying we could win the league. Your post is exactly the sort of thing that he's recently be coming out with "2 points from 8 games", "always mid-table", blah blah fucking blah. These arguments completely ignore the fact that the squad he inherited was massively under-achieving and the one he has now is easily the best that most of us have ever seen, and yet for whatever reason, he is managing to get absolutely nothing out of the players.

What makes it worse is that tis has happened in each of his 3 full seasons with us. It's been more spectacular this season but I distinctly remember thinking that our season was over after we lost that FA Cup semi to Portsmouth because we'd been in a poor run of form and had that exceptionally tricky week coming up. Yes, I was wrong, but those results against Arsenal, Chelsea and City seem rather more like flukes now, you have to admit. Last season when it happened he/we could, just about acceptably imo, hide behind the 'tired from Champions League', 'lack of reliable goalkeeper' and 'lack of a leader figure to get us over the line in those games where we dominated but couldn't get through' excuses. This season, everything that he blamed last season has been rectified, and still it's happening.

Most of us can't see a way out of the form we've been in for over 2 months now, and what's worse is that you get the impression from the players and management that they can't either. For that reason, Harry's position is as close to untenable as it gets.

I'm not having a pop at you by the way, I'm just trying to summarise my own thoughts (and perhaps those of others) on the issue in maybe a more eloquent way than some people have managed. You must surely be able to see where people are coming from?
 

lillywhites61

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Aug 11, 2009
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Ok Harry has done a lot for us and doesn't deserve a lot of the abuse but as with Jol he has limitations and time is up and lets be fair here we as a club and fans stuck by Harry through his shit times as well remember, his court case? His heart op? We all supported him, and he is repaying us with ridiculous quotes and quite clearly pandering to the fa. It has to work both ways and Harry is only thinking about himself so I think people are entitled to do the same
 

whitelightwhiteheat

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Jul 21, 2006
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So I suppose we should sit back and fucking marvel at how we've played in 2012? I'm so pleased with how we've squandered 3rd place. I'm fully behind our unravelling. We've been excellent.

Well done boys. COYS!
 

SpunkyBackpack

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Dec 8, 2005
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Ritchie, I can totally see where some people are coming from, and picking apart what has gone wrong is natural, no problem with that, but we have come a long way in a relatively short space of time, finishing in the top 4 is harder than it looks when anyone can beat anyone in this league at the moment, the heads have gone down and have failed to be picked up again, but we need to remember how good we actually are and not get carried away with the doom mongers, knee-jerkers and those with ulterior motives.


For the record, i still think we'll finish 4th, quote me on it, if I'm wrong I'll add it to the massive pile of things I've been wrong about in the past.
 

Paxtonite

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Nov 28, 2004
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Not the players, not the staff, you lot. We all know Spurs fans are the ficklest of the fickle, but over the last few weeks even my jaded and calloused brain has been shocked at the bile and absolute guff being spouted on here, if i was told in the summer that with 4 games to go we'd be in with a great shot of 4th and a slim shout at 3rd, I'd be pleasantly surprised. Yes we've imploded a bit, we've seen some poor performances in comparison to how great we were this season, but it's not terminal, we're far from in 'crisis', stop being so bloody dramatic.

We've been spoilt, we were tipped as title contenders, it was silly but we actually had a very slim chance, we couldn't take it (who knows what could have been if we took points at the Etihad), but while the title challenge fizzled away, what it left seems to be an awesome sense of entitlement and expectation. What started as 'we could get champions league if we're lucky' turned into 'we should be challenging the elite, despite the gulf in finances', we aren't going to become one of the big guns overnight, it will go well, it will go badly, but we have a chairman who is looking at the long game and a team who can beat anybody on their day, we beat AC Milan last year, anybody remember that?

Don't get me wrong, i don't like Redknapp, never have, but then i don't like Mourinho or Fergie either, no matter how you feel about them you cannot doubt their talent or the fact they get results. Lets not forget, this season we have played some of the best football I've seen a Spurs team play, Redknapp was our lord and saviour, you cant argue that he hasn't been hugely responsible for dragging us out of our perennial mediocrity, i don't know if anybody knows but we had taken 2 points from 8 games when he came in, that's true that is. Nobody saw such a dramatic slump coming, nobody knows quite how the England debacle has affected things, so how about you stop pretending like you've always hated him and this was obvious and he's the worst thing that's ever happened to anyone ever. We could be Aston Villla fans, we could be West Ham fans, hell we could be Darlington or Portsmouth fans, grow up and notice how good we have it, you all make us look like the millionaire who whines about how crap his life is because his Aston Martin has a broken tail light.

We've only just fallen out of the champions league spots for the first time in ages, we've got some of the most talented players we've had in years, talent doesn't just disappear, it will come to the fore again, we don't need dramatic changes, not yet. There is so much to play for, yes we've lost a few games we shouldn't have, lets not forget how many other big clubs have fallen to QPR over the last few weeks (and the fact it clearly wasn't a free kick, but the whole victim mentality was overplayed last week, cant do it again). Yes, its been crap to watch, it's been frustrating, things have gone wrong and we shouldn't have lost such ground on those around us, but it's the reaction of the fans which is making us look like a laughing stock, you don't know how good we really have it.

Have you lot forgotten what it is like to be Spurs fans? We never do anything the easy way, that's what makes it sweeter when we finish the roller coaster on at the top. You want consistent boring victories? Be a Celtic fan, go watch Real Madrid, if you cant take the rough patches without resorting to baying for blood or spazzing out like a retired Major reading the Daily Mail, pick another team, hell, pick another sport. We can do this, nothing is broken, its just a little dented.

TL;DR- Stop behaving like spoilt children and put the toys back in the pram long enough to support the team for the biggest 4 games in a long while.

I fucking hate these posts. Lets all be grateful for ever more and if you dare complain or air your view you are not a true fan blah blah blah. If someobne offered us this at the start of the season blah blah blah........ Fact is we pissed away a 13 point lead, had we been offered that at the beginning of the season would you have accepted being 3 points off 4th with 4 to go? Fuck no. So stop talking cack and look at what HAS happened and get out of your small time mentality. It is precisely because of posts like this and fans like this that we will never be big time in my lifetime. Because we should be grateful. Because we should not dare dream. Because we are spurs and we always do it the hard way. Absolute tosh. We'll talk again once we finish 6th and you can tell me then if you are happy. If by some miracle we do finish top 4, doing it the hard way will not mean that we should necessarily be proud. All it means is that we will never have the mentality to do things the easy way and by making the early season dominance a foundation for success.

Out.
 

Mullers

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Jan 4, 2006
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Before the start of the season I predicted we could finish anywhere from 4th to 6th and when had our good run of form, I said we were due a bad patch of form, so I think I've been pretty grounded. I've been pretty supportive of Redknapp even though I didn't think he was the right choice but he doesn't help himself by talking shite and constantly contradicting himself.
 

beats1

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Feb 22, 2010
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Imploded a bit? Do me a favour - that's the euphemism of the century.

Personal abuse to Harry isn't right but don't try and lump everyone in the same boat with this, there are plenty of people who think the time is right to part ways and have never insulted Harry personally.

There are also some who have defended Harry to such lengths that they're totally oblivious to what's unfolding in front of them.

Agreed and at moment the fact of the matter is we are on relegation form

if we don't get 5 points from the next 4 matches we would have done worse in the last 18 games of this season when compared to the first 18 games of the season when harry saved us
 
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