Spoilt Children

[MrsKeane]

LOL I agree with the post from fortworth, when have we been spolit with cups? we were doing well and I was actually afraid to dream that for once we could actually get our best results in a long long time, I was at the ground when we went top for all of I think 48 hours or something after the Southampton match where we signed Keano (there we have been top of the premiership ) but to go for the most of the season in a good place them and getting into the champs league and with a double digit gap.

If we can't vent our anger or whatever, what can we do? watch crimewatch UK for the national riots of spurs fans? (bit dramatic but you get the picture) and for greenlilly

 

[gilzeantheking]

I don't think we are spoiled, far from it with our club's track record. What happened this year is that we were allowed to dare to dream.

Look where that got us.

 

[Eric_s]

I fucking hate these posts. Lets all be grateful for ever more and if you dare complain or air your view you are not a true fan blah blah blah. If someobne offered us this at the start of the season blah blah blah........ Fact is we pissed away a 13 point lead, had we been offered that at the beginning of the season would you have accepted being 3 points off 4th with 4 to go? Fuck no. So stop talking cack and look at what HAS happened and get out of your small time mentality. It is precisely because of posts like this and fans like this that we will never be big time in my lifetime. Because we should be grateful. Because we should not dare dream. Because we are spurs and we always do it the hard way. Absolute tosh. We'll talk again once we finish 6th and you can tell me then if you are happy. If by some miracle we do finish top 4, doing it the hard way will not mean that we should necessarily be proud. All it means is that we will never have the mentality to do things the easy way and by making the early season dominance a foundation for success.

Out.

This. So what if through incredible luck we finished 4th? It will be through the failures of other teams and not because we deserve it. The fact is we mess up big time after playing ourselves into a great position. There is nothing to shout about. Unless like Harry some of u think we have a squad of the same standard as fulham or WBA and so has done extremely well by our level.

 

[fortworthspur]

Makes me feel like Willy Wonka...does this mean I am going to go from one trophy every 10 years to being the Chairman of the FA

you know what happened to the boy who got everything he wanted?

 

[gibbospurs]

Did harry write the OP??

 

[SpunkyBackpack]

1. At no point did i say we should be happy with what is happening.

2. At no point did i say we can't criticise.

3. There is a middle ground between cheerfully accepting mediocrity and behaving like brats who aren't getting their own way.

4. This isn't just about our manager.

 

[kdspur]

Will OP change his views when we come 5th or 6th i wonder?

bottom line is we were 10 to 13 points ahead of 4th place back at end of january and thru arrogance, mentality and just been plain not good enough we have blown what should have been a fairly comforatble run in , with odd defeat here and there even, towards guarenteeing champions league football.

at start of season everyone expected spurs to be in around 5th or 6th spot , top 7 anyway but just cos we played better to be in 3rd most of season and then to blow that dominance and justify that with ' we wud bite peoples arms off for been within 4th with 4 matches left ' to me just sums the mentality of spurs fans let alone the players and manager.

we didnt take chances in top games when they came along i.e defoe in injury time against city, been gifted 2-0 lead at arsenal and ever since then have been falling down at a rate of knots. its pathetic yet people justifying the effort and commitement of players on the pitch, along wth a semi final appearence that was simply embarassing is probably even worse.

 

[StartingPrice]

you know what happened to the boy who got everything he wanted?

Are you suggeting we get 'Arry a Never-Ending-Gobstopper?

1. At no point did i say we should be happy with what is happening.

2. At no point did i say we can't criticise.

3. There is a middle ground between cheerfully accepting mediocrity and behaving like brats who aren't getting their own way.

4. This isn't just about our manager.

So, let's be clear about this...is this just about the manger?

 

[Montasura]

I haven't read through the entire thread as I have no doubt it is fairly representational of the differing views of Spurs fans across the planet.

I'm far from being a knee jerker and generally prefer to stay out of Spurs Chat after a bad loss because of the reaction of some folk on here. I'm a Spurs fan through and through.....always have been.....always will be.

But the thing that stands out for me in the OPs post is where he says "if i was told in the summer that with 4 games to go we'd be in with a great shot of 4th and a slim shout at 3rd, I'd be pleasantly surprised".......So would I have been. I would guess that 99% of the members on here would have been. But its not the summer now, and the big thing for me is "if I was told 8 weeks ago that we would be where we are now I would have been disgusted!" Of course we are in a good position and at the start of the season I would have said I would be ecstatic with another 4th place finish. But 8 weeks ago my expectations had been adjusted because of the way the team had played and the position we were in. I don't believe that to raise my expectations were unrealistic, in fact I believe they were totally justified. For a long time I had the luxury of being to look at the table ABOVE us. So 8 weeks on to be forced to readjust those expectations and start looking below us is just incredible, and totally unacceptable as far as I'm concerned. Its not like we were 3 points ahead of 4th, we were a country mile ahead of it!!!

And what galls me the most is the manner in which we have gone about this implosion. It looks to me as if the ENTIRE squad has just completely lost all hope, faith, belief, and desire. As a result I now have absolutely no confidence in my team. I honestly am not confident about any of our remaining games. And as for Harry, seriously??? A man that not long ago I had some confidence in. I never wanted him, yet would have been the first to say I was extremely happy that he had proved me wrong. And now I am both embarrassed by him and feel incredibly sorry for him.

So for me our position in the table has become almost secondary. Of course I'm glad we aren't fighting it out at the bottom of the table, and I would love for us to grab that 4th spot. But as a Spurs fan I squirm at the thought that fans from every other team in the league may well be laughing at us right now and quite possibly seeing us as easy opposition. I'm worried by what is happening on the pitch, but I am much, much more concerned by what may well be happening off the pitch.

 

[StartingPrice]

That is the thing, Monta...I make a point of not being a knee-jerk fan - so when I am fecked orf you can usually be pretty sure that I am not knee-jerking and there is something seriously fecking wrong. And there is something seriously fecking wrong.

I don't believe in the curse of WHL and all that mumbo-jumbo. I don't believe there is something in the water (or Tommy Sauce packets for THudd), that predisposes our players and management to being legends. I don't believe THFC players/management are somehow theologically pre-ordained to let us down at some stage. I just don't accept any of that sheeeeee-ite. And the bottom dollar is that, even with a difficult run of games, we were in such a position that it was almost inconceivible for anyone, other than those who do believe in the above, to realistically predict a collapse like this. And yet it has happened - we have gone from almost nailed on 3rd, and our best season in two and odd decades, to being a laughing stock, hoping that teams above us slip up - though even they they have done that we have failed to take advantage because our form is so Goddam awful bad.

I'm not knee-jerking, but I am asking some serious questions: I fear that Redknapp is a manager, at this level, who will always hot this wall at this stage in the season. I am not saying he is I am saying I fear he might be. It seems to be his MO, going by his time with us, that he has a predisposition, at this level, to fall away. If we had a terrible start to this season, but then came on like a train at the end, even if we got the same number of points as we will now, and finished in the same position we will now, I would be nowhere near as concerned as I am now.

I am not saying he must go, now, but if we finish outside the top 4 and England don't want him, I will be quite concerned for next season,if Levy keeps him on - no matter what players we keep, and no matter what players we buy.

 

[Misfit]

Whatever happens, Harry needs to go this summer. The way this happened, some of the things he's done and said. The state of the squad right now. Nup. Time to draw a line under it, shake hands and go in different directions.

If you don't agree with that, you're not being knee-jerk. Just a jerk.

 

[StartingPrice]

Whatever happens, Harry needs to go this summer. The way this happened, some of the things he's done and said. The state of the squad right now. Nup. Time to draw a line under it, shake hands and go in different directions.

If you don't agree with that, you're not being knee-jerk. Just a jerk.

SUSSED

 

[Adam]

It depends on what you require from your team. I agree with elements of the OP, but I wont just stand here and accept that my team, who have the capacity to beat any team in the league at a canter, have completely capitulated to the tune of 1 win in 9 games.

Its completely misleading to argue that we would have been happy with this at the start of the season, because after beating Norwich I wouldnt have taken anything less than third; when the team show a good level of consistent performance, the fans are more than entitled to want, and expect that level to continue, with the exception of a wobble here and there, for the second half of a season.

Moaning at the fans for giving the manager personal abuse is completely correct, but having a go at them and calling them spoiled for the reaction to the last 10 games smacks of a mediocrity complex. A fan has every right to demand that their team puts 110% in every week, and is sent out there by the manager in an organized fashion with a clear game plan and strategy. We simply haven't done that for three months, and blown our best chance of real success in years without a whimper. I will continue to demand better than that, because I, and the rest of us, deserve it

 

[Misfit]

I'm just flirting, SP.

 

[AngerManagement]

I think harry's lack of rotation and reliance of experienced older players means we run out of gas toward the end of a campaign (although we finished pretty strong in his first season to stave off relegation and the year we made fourth)

last year and this I personally feel that lack of investment by Levy are the biggest reason for our laughing stock collapses, each year every man and his dog could see we needed a new striker and this year we clearly also needed a centre back.

Its not like it can be said the need was not noticed, we brought in Saha and Nelson because we knew we needed player in those two positions.

Personally I think this years collapse starts and ends with harry's uncertain future for next season.

I think not only have the players gone off the boil since his future was put in doubt (and in my opinion since they knew he'd be off) but also Levy decided it was not worth spending the funds to secure the players we needed to push on again because he assumed we'd already done enough to get third or at least fourth and it would be better to spend the funds in the summer when we knew who would be in charge and who they'd want the funds spent on.

I think Levy has to shoulder a huge share of the blame for an almighty fuck up and error of judgement when deciding to take this gamble because there was no reason we could not have made moves for Cisse ahead of Newcastle and Cahill or someone of his quality to sure up our defence for the run in.

I am sure he had targets in mind who would seem like better signings in the summer, well actually I am not but I am certainly sure he decided to save the money for the new man and I honestly think that had he spent around 15-20m in Jan we would have secured fourth and probably even third and made back that money and then some in CL revenue in the summer anyway (its just that he thought he would save that expenditure AND STILL get the CL money, so in my opinion a risk assessment fuck up by Levy and in my mind he is the man I blame because frankly when Harry is managing England next season he won't give a fuck where we are while Levy will be the man counting the cost of his error in the winter window)

 

[Misfit]

Et tu, AM?

It's instinctive at this point, right? You don't even realise you're doing it.

 

[StartingPrice]

I'm just flirting, SP.

You're a TATR, Missfat, a TART

 

[Misfit]

Hey hey hey, I'm not fat.

 

[StartingPrice]

Hey hey hey, I'm not fat.

Sorry, MooseFart, huts thus knew keebored

 

[Krafty]

Its not so much the results, in the lack of professionalism. Harry isnt doing his job, several of the players arent doing their job. If we were just unlucky then that's the way it goes, but when the club embarrasses us, when our hard earned money gets spunked on players who don't put a shift in and a manager who is happy to take all the credit and none of the blame and has no solution for the problems he has caused, I think we have a right to complain., or at least express our dismay.

2 league wins in 12 games? Fans of any team have a right to complain about that, and when the manager blames bad luck or injuries or some other bullshit, it insults our intelligence.