Son Kane Bale

[Shadydan]

This is a very strange conversation - looking at recent seasons in general would back up my point not yours? Generally speaking the trio don't reach 70 goals in all competitions between them - take any season in history other than 2017-18 and they've not reached that tally. And of course - all the goals in all the competitions count, but you're looking at a ridiculous sample size - the opposition in Europa League qualifiers is significantly weaker than pretty much anyone we'll be facing for the rest of the season bar a lucky cup draw - to be fair we've been given a favourable group draw, but even then the trio will most likely be rested for a lot of those games to give Vinicius, Bergwijn and Lucas a go so they likely won't even play much in them. And all of that's assuming, which was my original point in my original post, that they stay fit and in-form. Which after two of the three have already picked up injuries into the season, Kane's four successive seasons with at least one if not two long term injuries and Bale spending years of being Real's Darren Anderton - I find hard to see.

I'd love it if they got 70 goals between them - as it would mean they've all stayed fit, Bale has gotten back to his best and they've all hit good form. Just don't see how a fan of a club that watched Kane, Son and Bergwijn all break down at exactly the same time last season can just expect to take that kind of luck for granted.

They didn't reach 70 goals despite Kane picking up freak injuries (we can now rest him) although you may argue he'll play less matches which maybe true, it just means that he'll be fresher throughout the season and play at a more sustainable level Bale hardly played last season due to Real being...well Real, previous couple of years before then he was hitting healthy tallies that would support my claim despite picking up numerous injuries along the way. You mentioned that our players picked up injuries that would suggest that would be a reason as to why they wouldn't hit that tally yet our players have cover now so they are less likely to pick up injuries. Last season the squad was stretched, this season it's big enough to compete in all competitions.

I personally think though they are more than capable in this side. Son has averaged around 20 goals in all comps and we know what a fully fit Kane can do which leaves Bale - a 70% fit Bale that's head and shoulders above a lot of other players in this league and capable or getting high numbers.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

This is a very strange conversation - looking at recent seasons in general would back up my point not yours? Generally speaking the trio don't reach 70 goals in all competitions between them - take any season in history other than 2017-18 and they've not reached that tally. And of course - all the goals in all the competitions count, but you're looking at a ridiculous sample size - the opposition in Europa League qualifiers is significantly weaker than pretty much anyone we'll be facing for the rest of the season bar a lucky cup draw - to be fair we've been given a favourable group draw, but even then the trio will most likely be rested for a lot of those games to give Vinicius, Bergwijn and Lucas a go so they likely won't even play much in them. And all of that's assuming, which was my original point in my original post, that they stay fit and in-form. Which after two of the three have already picked up injuries into the season, Kane's four successive seasons with at least one if not two long term injuries and Bale spending years of being Real's Darren Anderton - I find hard to see.

I'd love it if they got 70 goals between them - as it would mean they've all stayed fit, Bale has gotten back to his best and they've all hit good form. Just don't see how a fan of a club that watched Kane, Son and Bergwijn all break down at exactly the same time last season can just expect to take that kind of luck for granted.

Their combined career average is about 63 goals per season (discounting Kane's loan spells and Bale's time playing LB). Considering Kane's injuries, Son's crazy amounts of time away with South Korea and Bale's injuries / fallout with Zidane / temporary loss of motivation, I think it's fair for us to anticipate circa 70 goals per season from them.

Kane has averaged 31 per season his "four successive seasons with at least one if not two long term injuries". He is unlikely to spend as much time out injured this season (despite what people say about him being injury prone, only 1/4 serious injuries [hamstring] wasn't a freak occurrence, and not being so overused will help). Even if he does get injured again, 30+ goals is realistic (already a fifth of the way there).

Son has averaged 19 goals over the last four seasons. During that time he has played through fatigue, due to being overplayed when Kane was injured and being his nations talisman in an excessive number of international games (he isn't going to be on extra international duty this season). 20 goals is realistic (already a quarter of the way there).

Bale appears to be far more motivated now, will be one of the first names on the team sheet (not a last resort) and won't be playing second fiddle to Ronaldo (will be allowed to take free-kicks and won't be glared at for not passing every time he scores). He did spend some time out injured during each of his most prolific seasons, so I think having a manager who actually wants him in the team is more of a factor than his injury record. Bales only averaged 24 appearances (not starts) per season in La Liga (over his 7 years at Real) - that was mostly down to Zidane's selection preferences, not injury. 20 goals is realistic.

Then factor in that they'll be playing Europa League, not Champions League (weaker opposition to score against) and can finally all be rotated when fatigued or carrying niggles. Personally, I think they'll get 70-75 if rotated out for most domestic cup / EL games and 80-85 if not.
They've already scored 11 in the first 7 games, despite Bale not playing yet and the other two being rested/injured at times. We have min 43 / max 62 games left to play. If we end up playing fewer than 50 more games (57 in total), we would have slipped up somewhere to substandard opposition and significantly underachieved in terms of cup runs.

 

[Partizan]

The 70 goal tally won't be that impressive this season anyway. I expect three of United's attackers to surpass that including Fernandes scoring atleast 30 from the penalty spot

 

[knilly]

40 for Kane with penalties this season?

 

[spursfan77]

If they all stay fit all season then surely it will be the best attack in the league?

Mourinho just needs to find a way of feeding it effectively whilst keeping our defensive integrity

 

[SUIYHA]

They didn't reach 70 goals despite Kane picking up freak injuries (we can now rest him) although you may argue he'll play less matches which maybe true, it just means that he'll be fresher throughout the season and play at a more sustainable level Bale hardly played last season due to Real being...well Real, previous couple of years before then he was hitting healthy tallies that would support my claim despite picking up numerous injuries along the way. You mentioned that our players picked up injuries that would suggest that would be a reason as to why they wouldn't hit that tally yet our players have cover now so they are less likely to pick up injuries. Last season the squad was stretched, this season it's big enough to compete in all competitions.

I personally think though they are more than capable in this side. Son has averaged around 20 goals in all comps and we know what a fully fit Kane can do which leaves Bale - a 70% fit Bale that's head and shoulders above a lot of other players in this league and capable or getting high numbers.

Their combined career average is about 63 goals per season (discounting Kane's loan spells and Bale's time playing LB). Considering Kane's injuries, Son's crazy amounts of time away with South Korea and Bale's injuries / fallout with Zidane / temporary loss of motivation, I think it's fair for us to anticipate circa 70 goals per season from them.

Kane has averaged 31 per season his "four successive seasons with at least one if not two long term injuries". He is unlikely to spend as much time out injured this season (despite what people say about him being injury prone, only 1/4 serious injuries [hamstring] wasn't a freak occurrence, and not being so overused will help). Even if he does get injured again, 30+ goals is realistic (already a fifth of the way there).

Son has averaged 19 goals over the last four seasons. During that time he has played through fatigue, due to being overplayed when Kane was injured and being his nations talisman in an excessive number of international games (he isn't going to be on extra international duty this season). 20 goals is realistic (already a quarter of the way there).

Bale appears to be far more motivated now, will be one of the first names on the team sheet (not a last resort) and won't be playing second fiddle to Ronaldo (will be allowed to take free-kicks and won't be glared at for not passing every time he scores). He did spend some time out injured during each of his most prolific seasons, so I think having a manager who actually wants him in the team is more of a factor than his injury record. Bales only averaged 24 appearances (not starts) per season in La Liga (over his 7 years at Real) - that was mostly down to Zidane's selection preferences, not injury. 20 goals is realistic.

Then factor in that they'll be playing Europa League, not Champions League (weaker opposition to score against) and can finally all be rotated when fatigued or carrying niggles. Personally, I think they'll get 70-75 if rotated out for most domestic cup / EL games and 80-85 if not.
They've already scored 11 in the first 7 games, despite Bale not playing yet and the other two being rested/injured at times. We have min 43 / max 62 games left to play. If we end up playing fewer than 50 more games (57 in total), we would have slipped up somewhere to substandard opposition and significantly underachieved in terms of cup runs.

I think we're going round in circles so am going to leave this one here, but I don't think any of us are disagreeing that a fully fit and in form Kane, Son and Bale could get 70 goals in a season - but I'm not going to just put my head in the sand and ignore the injury records particularly Bale's.

I think there is some common myth that Bale was never picked at Real - he was a first choice starter for the vast majority of his time there, even under Zidane, when he was fit. Yes, he was completely dropped after lockdown last season, and yes he was often left on the bench in favour of Isco for European games (which I can see Mourinho doing as well by the way, in games we'll need to control the midfield he could well start Ndombele-Winks-Hjojberg and then have Lo Celso in a wider role coming inside, with Bale or Son coming off the bench to add pace later in the game), and he was for sure rotated more than Ronaldo, Benzema, Modric etc, but make no mistake - the idea that he was used only as an impact sub for seven years is nonsense. The reason his appearance numbers were low is because he kept getting injured. And when he did, he would usually take time to get back to his best which would frustrate the hell out of an impatient Real crowd who had a lot of options to rotate him with - even when starting he was usually one of the first to be substituted.

Take a look for yourself:

Gareth Bale - Injury history

This is the injury history of Gareth Bale from Karriereende. On this page injuries as well as suspensions.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

We've signed players like Les Ferdinand, Jamie Redknapp and Jonathan Woodgate over the years on big wages in the hope that we might be able to get them over their injury problems and back to their best, and whilst all had their moments at Spurs I remember all of them more for their time on the sidelines and never being anywhere near as good for us as they'd been in their early career. Every now and again you get a Danny Ings/Robin Van Persie type story, but they are very rare. Obviously I'd love to see a fit, hungry Gareth Bale tearing things up again for us - but let's just be wary of setting expectations too high

 

[Shadydan]

I think we're going round in circles so am going to leave this one here, but I don't think any of us are disagreeing that a fully fit and in form Kane, Son and Bale could get 70 goals in a season - but I'm not going to just put my head in the sand and ignore the injury records particularly Bale's.

I think there is some common myth that Bale was never picked at Real - he was a first choice starter for the vast majority of his time there, even under Zidane, when he was fit. Yes, he was completely dropped after lockdown last season, and yes he was often left on the bench in favour of Isco for European games (which I can see Mourinho doing as well by the way, in games we'll need to control the midfield he could well start Ndombele-Winks-Hjojberg and then have Lo Celso in a wider role coming inside, with Bale or Son coming off the bench to add pace later in the game), and he was for sure rotated more than Ronaldo, Benzema, Modric etc, but make no mistake - the idea that he was used only as an impact sub for seven years is nonsense. The reason his appearance numbers were low is because he kept getting injured. And when he did, he would usually take time to get back to his best which would frustrate the hell out of an impatient Real crowd who had a lot of options to rotate him with - even when starting he was usually one of the first to be substituted.

Take a look for yourself:

Gareth Bale - Injury history

This is the injury history of Gareth Bale from Karriereende. On this page injuries as well as suspensions.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

We've signed players like Les Ferdinand, Jamie Redknapp and Jonathan Woodgate over the years on big wages in the hope that we might be able to get them over their injury problems and back to their best, and whilst all had their moments at Spurs I remember all of them more for their time on the sidelines and never being anywhere near as good for us as they'd been in their early career. Every now and again you get a Danny Ings/Robin Van Persie type story, but they are very rare. Obviously I'd love to see a fit, hungry Gareth Bale tearing things up again for us - but let's just be wary of setting expectations too high

Yeah so add another 4, what we on now?

 

[carmeldevil]

I think we're going round in circles so am going to leave this one here, but I don't think any of us are disagreeing that a fully fit and in form Kane, Son and Bale could get 70 goals in a season - but I'm not going to just put my head in the sand and ignore the injury records particularly Bale's.

I think there is some common myth that Bale was never picked at Real - he was a first choice starter for the vast majority of his time there, even under Zidane, when he was fit. Yes, he was completely dropped after lockdown last season, and yes he was often left on the bench in favour of Isco for European games (which I can see Mourinho doing as well by the way, in games we'll need to control the midfield he could well start Ndombele-Winks-Hjojberg and then have Lo Celso in a wider role coming inside, with Bale or Son coming off the bench to add pace later in the game), and he was for sure rotated more than Ronaldo, Benzema, Modric etc, but make no mistake - the idea that he was used only as an impact sub for seven years is nonsense. The reason his appearance numbers were low is because he kept getting injured. And when he did, he would usually take time to get back to his best which would frustrate the hell out of an impatient Real crowd who had a lot of options to rotate him with - even when starting he was usually one of the first to be substituted.

Take a look for yourself:

Gareth Bale - Injury history

This is the injury history of Gareth Bale from Karriereende. On this page injuries as well as suspensions.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

We've signed players like Les Ferdinand, Jamie Redknapp and Jonathan Woodgate over the years on big wages in the hope that we might be able to get them over their injury problems and back to their best, and whilst all had their moments at Spurs I remember all of them more for their time on the sidelines and never being anywhere near as good for us as they'd been in their early career. Every now and again you get a Danny Ings/Robin Van Persie type story, but they are very rare. Obviously I'd love to see a fit, hungry Gareth Bale tearing things up again for us - but let's just be wary of setting expectations too high

TL;DR? By the way I’ll have my expectations way high thank you very much. Gonna enjoy whatever happens.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Going to be interesting to see who makes the bench when everyone is fit. On current form Lamela is a must.

 

[mark87]

Shit the bed...we still have Gareth to add to the attack...

 

[Shadydan]

Going to be interesting to see who makes the bench when everyone is fit. On current form Lamela is a must.

Nah he's not good enough according to @PeeEyeEmPee

 

[SUIYHA]

Yeah so add another 4, what we on now?

Are you really going to bump this every time they score? I'm not going to bump this when someone inevitably gets injured but if it makes you feel better then send me a DM to gloat at the end of the season if everyone does stay fit. That all being said - nothing I have said has been wrong so far. In my OP in this thread, and in all the discussion, I have said that they will be a lethal and potent attack when fit, but the injury records are a major concern - and unless we get lucky it's a matter of when not if these guys get sidelined. In case you are still confused at what I am saying - yes, if they all miraculously stay fit for the majority of the season, they will most likely break the 70 goal mark, but their careers suggest they probably won't stay miraculously fit for the majority of the season

You know though - if these two carry on the way they are then maybe we won't even need Bale's goals

 

[Thewobbler]

Those people who were saying kanes losing it or sell him to rebuild are looking foolish now. You don't sell world class forwards....EVER.

 

[Shadydan]

Are you really going to bump this every time they score? I'm not going to bump this when someone inevitably gets injured but if it makes you feel better then send me a DM to gloat at the end of the season if everyone does stay fit. That all being said - nothing I have said has been wrong so far. In my OP in this thread, and in all the discussion, I have said that they will be a lethal and potent attack when fit, but the injury records are a major concern - and unless we get lucky it's a matter of when not if these guys get sidelined. In case you are still confused at what I am saying - yes, if they all miraculously stay fit for the majority of the season, they will most likely break the 70 goal mark, but their careers suggest they probably won't stay miraculously fit for the majority of the season

You know though - if these two carry on the way they are then maybe we won't even need Bale's goals

If you bump this everytime someone gets injured then that shows you what kind of fan you are, celebrating stuff like that to the detriment of the team isn't the one, paricualy when it's over some petty Internet points, don't be that guy

Anyway I not really gloating, there's no need to gloat, just having a bit of fun with you knowing full well you're going to double down on your opinion and try to wriggle yourself out of it, its quite funny but I am childish like that so I'm gonna be unbearable and insufferable as long as it means my team is winning and making progress, everyone should have the same energy really.

15 goals and counting...

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Are you really going to bump this every time they score? I'm not going to bump this when someone inevitably gets injured but if it makes you feel better then send me a DM to gloat at the end of the season if everyone does stay fit. That all being said - nothing I have said has been wrong so far. In my OP in this thread, and in all the discussion, I have said that they will be a lethal and potent attack when fit, but the injury records are a major concern - and unless we get lucky it's a matter of when not if these guys get sidelined. In case you are still confused at what I am saying - yes, if they all miraculously stay fit for the majority of the season, they will most likely break the 70 goal mark, but their careers suggest they probably won't stay miraculously fit for the majority of the season

You know though - if these two carry on the way they are then maybe we won't even need Bale's goals

Bale currently injured. Son has been out injured. 15 goals scored.

Like some of us have been saying, 70 goals is realistic even after allowing for injuries.

I will return to this thread every time they score, but purely to appreciate the achievements of the most potent attacking trio in Europe

 

[Cochise]

Until we can see what level of fitness Bale can maintain, we'd be mad to pen our hopes on that front three, it would leave too much for the rest of the team to do defensively.

I still think that we will only rarely see the three playing together. Son/Kane/Moura one game then Bale/Kane/Bergwijn the next etc. We have the options to tailor our front three to whoever we are facing.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Until we can see what level of fitness Bale can maintain, we'd be mad to pen our hopes on that front three, it would leave too much for the rest of the team to do defensively.

I still think that we will only rarely see the three playing together. Son/Kane/Moura one game then Bale/Kane/Bergwijn the next etc. We have the options to tailor our front three to whoever we are facing.

Lamela would feel pretty hard done by, having performed better than Bergwijn and Moura recently

 

[popstar7]

Lamela would feel pretty hard done by, having performed better than Bergwijn and Moura recently

Said on the Mourinho thread that I think rotation is going to be the norm for us now. We have the squad to do it and there's no reason for players to drop their heads if they play well and are on the bench the next game. Doherty didn't play today and Serge was outstanding. Doesn't mean Doherty won't start against West Ham and Serge shouldn't be pissed off if he does. Same for Lamela. Great 45 minutes today and probably subbed to avoid a second yellow. If Bale starts against West Ham that's no slight on Eric's performance today and Bale certainly won't start every game. Eric and Lucas will get plenty of chances, starting or off the bench across the season.

We're not searching for the perfect XI that will start every game. It will be 18-20 players all regularly involved.

 

[Wizzy77]

Micah Richards on BBC

"Imagine Harry Kane, Son Heung-min and Gareth Bale together if they are all playing well. Imagine that - I think that could be one of the best partnerships in the league.

Teams are going to be frightened of them.

I won't mention the result from the other day but everyone knows what the score was. So I'm excited for Spurs, I really am."

"I know we have not seen him in action yet but I still think the Gareth Bale deal is amazing.

We all know what he can do - he's won four Champions Leagues, he lit up the Premier League last time he was here and everyone is just excited to see him.

I'm just glad I don't have to face him again as he twisted me up on more than a few occasions.

Even if he is just 75% of the player he was, defenders - look out for Gareth Bale."

 

[onthetwo]

12 days to go.....(feel like a kid waiting for Xmas).