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chas vs dave

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Obviously the last 2 games against our dearest rivals hasn't gone down well with the fan base, and no one is saying that we cannot criticise the performances, or even Ange. What makes the fans fragile is the ridiculous knee jerk nonsense that are seeing a whole load of.

What makes anyone in here think that changing that manager will mean we do better? It hasnt worked since Poch left and we have had Mourinho, Mason, Nuno, Conte & now Ange. All since November 2019.

We have seen at the start of the season how well we can play if the players decide to listen to the instructions, and also we are seeing Ange getting more animated which in my opinion is good thing. These players deserve to be ridiculed when they can't even make simple 5 yard passes. Take last night, that 'performance' from Kulusevski has to go down as one of the single worst performances I have seen from a Tottenham player in a very very long time. He was, quite simply, pathetic and I'm not exaggerating when I say that I think an awful lot of us on this forum could have actually played better.

We need to give a manager time, for once we need to just do it and accept that there are going to be ups and downs. We have had some fantastic ups this season and now we are in a down period and Ange is getting called for the sack by a huge amount of people, seriously the guy hasn't been here a year.

Criticise yes, hyperbole knee jerk nonsense no.
Agreed, Ange is not beyond criticism. He keeps chopping and changing the midfield, so no one can form any level of partnership. His stubborness to set pieces is annoying.

However, he isn't blaming players (like conte), or falsely claiming that our performances were better (like Jose).

He needs time, and backing. Arsenal are only where they are because they backed arteta for lond enough to get it right.
 

G Ron

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Our fanbase is so fickle and weak sauce, not prepared to see through what is actually required in order to reach the intended destination.

Constantly changing the manager solves absolutely nothing. Show some bollocks FFS.
Another load of sweeping generalist nonsense. The chairman chooses when to fire the manager, not the fans. I’ve still seen less than a handful of posts calling for Ange’s head and so your post is pure hyperbole
 

Goobers

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There's a lot of nonsense written by people on social media but I don't think that is representative of our fanbase as a whole at all.
 

Yantino

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Another load of sweeping generalist nonsense. The chairman chooses when to fire the manager, not the fans. I’ve still seen less than a handful of posts calling for Ange’s head and so your post is pure hyperbole
Been a fan long? :LOL:

The chairman will fire the manager when the fans start turning on him. Round and round we go again.
 

G Ron

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Been a fan long? :LOL:

The chairman will fire the manager when the fans start turning on him. Round and round we go again.
I suspect longer than you. Season ticket holder of 32 years so wind your neck in pal.

and I remember Jol sacked at half time, Venables discarded like a bag of rubbish. The only recent managerial casualty I recall the fans really voicing utter disdain for was Nuno, but he was fucking useless.

so to your point - more nonsense
 

marion52

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If we swapped the season and these last few games had been August/September and those earlier games were now we’d all be much more positive.
I’m feeling fragile this morning (not helped by my other half who was at the game last night supporting the other team!🤬)
I still won’t give up though because I am a supporter and it’s ******* hard!
At some point we just have to stick with a manager 🤷🏼‍♀️
 

Rout-Ledge

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If we swapped the season and these last few games had been August/September and those earlier games were now we’d all be much more positive.
Of course, because it would mean we’d come through a period of adjustment and Ange’s philosophy was coming through. The concern is that it worked well for a bit and now it hasn’t worked really at all for a much longer period.

We need to stick with him though, mainly because we simply can’t keep changing the manager every 18 months.
 

SirHarryHotspur

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Still plenty of fans with faith. Thought I would give last game against Man C a miss, mainly to get some money back towards next seasons ST but also not sure I want to be there maybe having secretly to hope we lose to stop Arsenal.
Put it on exchange last night , it sold in two & half hours at £78.
 

Yantino

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I suspect longer than you. Season ticket holder of 32 years so wind your neck in pal.

and I remember Jol sacked at half time, Venables discarded like a bag of rubbish. The only recent managerial casualty I recall the fans really voicing utter disdain for was Nuno, but he was fucking useless.

so to your point - more nonsense
I win! :LOL: been a fan since the early 80's but who's counting.

The point made about a fickle fan base is not necessarily from what those on this forum are saying. More about what you will see if you venture on to social media (i wouldn't reccommend it, by the way).
 

markt

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Agreed, Ange is not beyond criticism. He keeps chopping and changing the midfield, so no one can form any level of partnership. His stubborness to set pieces is annoying.

However, he isn't blaming players (like conte), or falsely claiming that our performances were better (like Jose).

He needs time, and backing. Arsenal are only where they are because they backed arteta for lond enough to get it right.
Agree mostly with this.

I also like the fact he doesn't throw players under the bus, although recently get the impression he has been clear with his thoughts on performances. Pleased he keeps that direct between him and the players though.

Interesting about the midfield. He persevered with Bissouma and Maddison for a long while and neither were playing their way back into form and nowhere near the quality they showed early season. It's tricky balance of consistency in line ups, but dropping players out of form. Only have to read the match threads and critical when people aren't dropped, yet also moan when he does make changes.

I think he definitely needs more time. He started so well, I think it raised fab expectations too much. 5th with some good stints of good football (despite the recent shockers) is a big step on from last season.
 

Albertbarich

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I win! :LOL: been a fan since the early 80's but who's counting.

The point made about a fickle fan base is not necessarily from what those on this forum are saying. More about what you will see if you venture on to social media (i wouldn't reccommend it, by the way).
Your view is another problem with social media and id argue the forum is a form of social media

Every single fanbase has fans with no patience, every single fanbase has disagreements , every one has over emotional reactions, happy clappers etc etc ..

Yeah I can go on X right now and see someone talking rubbish but I could do the same if I was a fan of any club.

Rushing to have a go at people hurting and fed up after the second derby defeat of the week which has cost us any chance of top four isn't some form of superior fandom. Maybe it's your way of coping . Instead. If venting about the team you vent about people with differing opinions but it's just tribalistic nonsense. People are hurting their not unique in that and it plays absolutely zero part in any perceived lack of success the club has. The stadium is full , commercial revenues are huge so the fans do their bit. The rest is upto the club.
 

Spurs_1981

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Your view is another problem with social media and id argue the forum is a form of social media

Every single fanbase has fans with no patience, every single fanbase has disagreements , every one has over emotional reactions, happy clappers etc etc ..

Yeah I can go on X right now and see someone talking rubbish but I could do the same if I was a fan of any club.

Rushing to have a go at people hurting and fed up after the second derby defeat of the week which has cost us any chance of top four isn't some form of superior fandom. Maybe it's your way of coping . Instead. If venting about the team you vent about people with differing opinions but it's just tribalistic nonsense. People are hurting their not unique in that and it plays absolutely zero part in any perceived lack of success the club has. The stadium is full , commercial revenues are huge so the fans do their bit. The rest is upto the club.

Sitting in 5th place in a transition season isn't hurting by any stretch of the imagination. People rightly can see worrying trends in performances and are justified in asking questions, question selections and tactics but the hyperbolic nature of the criticism is what is being called out.

People really need to get some fucking perspective.
 

Monkey boy

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We're far from fragile, we've just seen this cycle too many times now.

But we've been dazzled by shiny big stadiums and club marketing for too long, getting comfy with our beavertown neck oil and gourmet pizzas. We were never a soft fan base, but we've been softened into a loyal consumer base. Bland food, goods and football. But as long as it's eye catching we'll pay over the odds for it.

Used to be a football club over there.

Can i just add that Neck Oil is a shit beer.
 

Albertbarich

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Sitting in 5th place in a transition season isn't hurting by any stretch of the imagination. People rightly can see worrying trends in performances and are justified in asking questions, question selections and tactics but the hyperbolic nature of the criticism is what is being called out.

People really need to get some fucking perspective.
It's football and we're less the 24 hours after a pathetic defeat to a hated rivals.

Just comes across as posts like yours are just a different way of taking your emotions out on someone.

Go read my posts , I'm fully Ange in, I don't agree with them but I'm also know that their opinion just like mine or yours matters not a bit to the club.

If idiots on social media we're such an issue then Arsenal would be bottom of the championship not top of the league. Ain't no spurs fan topping AFTV.
 

Spurs_1981

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It's football and we're less the 24 hours after a pathetic defeat to a hated rivals.

Just comes across as posts like yours are just a different way of taking your emotions out on someone.

Go read my posts , I'm fully Ange in, I don't agree with them but I'm also know that their opinion just like mine or yours matters not a bit to the club.

If idiots on social media we're such an issue then Arsenal would be bottom of the championship not top of the league. Ain't no spurs fan topping AFTV.
Not at all, I wasn't aiming the post at you. The general Ange out posts are the target. It isn't a personalised dig at you in any way. I'm angry how the results have been. I'm not even angry with people saying Ange out. I'm saying very simply people spouting emotional garbage on Twitter and other social media don't help the club and it is tedious as fuck.

The reason I responded to you was the suggestion it excuses grown adults emotionally vomitting every thought out.

I don't think social media is the biggest cause of our struggles. However we have to have a micro and macro analyses with regards to the season. The macro is that we can see a better style of football is trying to be implemented (currently unsuccesfully) but it is there. Our league position is very reasonable for a rookie manager with a lot of young players (many of which are rookies in this league). The micro is more concerning, set pieces, insipid wingers, and a fall off in form/confidence.

People not screaming and hollering are just as angry but being an adult is about emotional control, being brave in the tough times. If you demand it of the players, demand it of yourself first.
 

aliyid

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Can i just add that Neck Oil is a shit beer.
I'm still pissed they stopped serving Gamma Ray in the stadium :bag:

This place is more realistic than the crazies on social media but I have seen previously level headed friends turning on the team & Ange quicker than I'd expect. Personally I don't get it. Yes, results have been poor recently and yes, there has been an overall drop off in intensity levels but on the whole Ange has given us something to look forward to and there are glimmers of hope that he's trying to get us playing in a more open and positive style. That was my key criteria after the mind-numbing tactics we had to sit through under Jose & Conte.

We need to stick with it, view this season as a testing ground for who can adapt and then back Ange in the summer to get in players with the right outlook & mentality to be brave enough and have the belief to push on.
 

Albertbarich

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Not at all, I wasn't aiming the post at you. The general Ange out posts are the target. It isn't a personalised dig at you in any way. I'm angry how the results have been. I'm not even angry with people saying Ange out. I'm saying very simply people spouting emotional garbage on Twitter and other social media don't help the club and it is tedious as fuck.

The reason I responded to you was the suggestion it excuses grown adults emotionally vomitting every thought out.

I don't think social media is the biggest cause of our struggles. However we have to have a micro and macro analyses with regards to the season. The macro is that we can see a better style of football is trying to be implemented (currently unsuccesfully) but it is there. Our league position is very reasonable for a rookie manager with a lot of young players (many of which are rookies in this league). The micro is more concerning, set pieces, insipid wingers, and a fall off in form/confidence.

People not screaming and hollering are just as angry but being an adult is about emotional control, being brave in the tough times. If you demand it of the players, demand it of yourself first.
Oh I know it wasnt aimed at me mate just wanted to say I'm not taking from a position of bias.

Over reactionsboth positive and negative , hot takes and arguments are just part of football.

My point is it isn't a spurs thing but a modern day football one because we live in an age of instant opinions.

I'm fully Ange in but I can't remember being that angry about a game last night so I get the reactions.
 

PaulM

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I'm still pissed they stopped serving Gamma Ray in the stadium :bag:

This place is more realistic than the crazies on social media but I have seen previously level headed friends turning on the team & Ange quicker than I'd expect. Personally I don't get it. Yes, results have been poor recently and yes, there has been an overall drop off in intensity levels but on the whole Ange has given us something to look forward to and there are glimmers of hope that he's trying to get us playing in a more open and positive style. That was my key criteria after the mind-numbing tactics we had to sit through under Jose & Conte.

We need to stick with it, view this season as a testing ground for who can adapt and then back Ange in the summer to get in players with the right outlook & mentality to be brave enough and have the belief to push on.
I think there is massive frustration at the lack of tangible success and the current manager will carry the can for that to an extent. I thought about this in the week and was thinking "You know what, to be fair to Ange, even if he finished 8th or 10th next year, I'd give him another year".

The gut reaction to that was "ah fuck me, that's potentially another two seasons wasted and then we are rebuilding again so we'll be 20 seasons without a pot before we know it."

Giving Ange time to implement his vision is the right thing to do even if we take backward steps now and again. But the recent history of the club is weighing heavy right now.
 

Styopa

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I think there is massive frustration at the lack of tangible success and the current manager will carry the can for that to an extent. I thought about this in the week and was thinking "You know what, to be fair to Ange, even if he finished 8th or 10th next year, I'd give him another year".

The gut reaction to that was "ah fuck me, that's potentially another two seasons wasted and then we are rebuilding again so we'll be 20 seasons without a pot before we know it."

Giving Ange time to implement his vision is the right thing to do even if we take backward steps now and again. But the recent history of the club is weighing heavy right now.

Yeah. Agree. This combined with the fact we came close to becoming the real deal with Poch. And in recent years there was huge fanfare about the Mourinho and Conte appointments. Not to mention the new stadium too.

So in a sense to go back to the drawing board, is a lot for some of us to take. I think a lot of us also welcome it after the last five years, but there is definitely an undercurrent of frustration and weariness about it all.
 
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