Sabitzer

[midoNdefoe]

Being aggressive has absolutely nothing to do with a players ability to adapt to and influence the pace of a match, or protect a defence. This guy is no less aggressive off the ball than Modric, and much more than Carrick or Barry who were career defensive midfielders.

I think he was referring to Gylfi...

 

[BringBack_leGin]

That’s funny, the way you’ve described him there was not far off what was said before we signed Gylfi...

Anybody who ever saw Gylfi playing away from the final third was clearly wrong, I don’t remember such opinions outside of Tim Sherwood.

 

[hellava_tough]

I can’t say I’ve seen much of him, but one thing we’ve lacked for years is goals from midfield.

I went back and had a look at the stats, and was shocked to find out that Paulinho was our last CM who was a goalscoring threat (13/14, 7 PL goals).

Of course, that's a midfielder in a number 6 or 8 position and not a more advanced attacking midfielder.

To be honest, I doubt any teams rely on their CMs to get them goals in the modern era. If 4-2-3-1 is the prevailing formation these days, the '3-1' bit usually gets most of the goals.

I'm not sure if I've got a nostalgic view of the game, but I'm sure there were central defenders in the 90s that used to get 6 or 7 league goals a season from set-pieces. That doesn't seem to happen either nowadays.

 

[midoNdefoe]

Anybody who ever saw Gylfi playing away from the final third was clearly wrong, I don’t remember such opinions outside of Tim Sherwood.

Does that make any sense?
I’m not sure what you mean.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Does that make any sense?
I’m not sure what you mean.

As in ‘I see much baldness in your future’. Clearly wrong given that glorious mane on your head. Equally is see gylfi playing in a position not in the final third’ would’ve been wrong too based on, well, his entire career to that point.

 

[dagraham]

I went back and had a look at the stats, and was shocked to find out that Paulinho was our last CM who was a goalscoring threat (13/14, 7 PL goals).

Of course, that's a midfielder in a number 6 or 8 position and not a more advanced attacking midfielder.

To be honest, I doubt any teams rely on their CMs to get them goals in the modern era. If 4-2-3-1 is the prevailing formation these days, the '3-1' bit usually gets most of the goals.

I'm not sure if I've got a nostalgic view of the game, but I'm sure there were central defenders in the 90s that used to get 6 or 7 league goals a season from set-pieces. That doesn't seem to happen either nowadays.

Yeah I agree that football has changed from the days of one sitting and one goal scoring CM.

However, whilst modern teams don’t necessarily rely on goal scoring from midfield positions, the best teams still have players there that can contribute with a few goals. City had it with Fernandinho and Toure, Utd Pogba etc. Wolves have Neves and even with Liverpool’s more workman like set up in CM, Henderson gets a few as does Chamberlain.

I still think it’s important and despite his last season at Betis before joining us I don’t really see Lo Celso bringing that to the party.

 

[Who’s our next manager?]

Wouldn’t mind him at all.Mind you Sabitzer,Upamecano amd Mukiliele we’re far than impressive against P.S.G last night.

True, but PSG managed to get a performance out of their ridiculously talented squad which is a bit of a rarity.
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Leipzig were poor defensively though so Mukiliele amd Upacamo to hold their hands up.Anyone can have a bad game and also,if other members are playing poorly ,that can have an effect.

 

[rossdapep]

Being aggressive has absolutely nothing to do with a players ability to adapt to and influence the pace of a match, or protect a defence. This guy is no less aggressive off the ball than Modric, and much more than Carrick or Barry who were career defensive midfielders.

Yeah I'm referring to Gylfi. And as a football coach I disagree, it depends on the player but I've had a few creative players struggle because their approach is too lax.

 

[arunspurs]

Best attribute of Sabitzer which is least highlighted is his footwork - how he shifts ball between his right & left foot quickly and able to make key passes in both foot
If we get him, will be signing of the season for us.

 

[spursfan77]

I can’t say I’ve seen much of him, but one thing we’ve lacked for years is goals from midfield.

Yeah we haven’t had a goal threat from central midfield since Jenas. Let that sink in.

 

[Japhet]

Yeah I agree that football has changed from the days of one sitting and one goal scoring CM.

However, whilst modern teams don’t necessarily rely on goal scoring from midfield positions, the best teams still have players there that can contribute with a few goals. City had it with Fernandinho and Toure, Utd Pogba etc. Wolves have Neves and even with Liverpool’s more workman like set up in CM, Henderson gets a few as does Chamberlain.

I still think it’s important and despite his last season at Betis before joining us I don’t really see Lo Celso bringing that to the party.

One of our problems is that our front players are often too selfish. They could frequently play each other into scoring positions, and less frequently set our midfielders up for a shot, but they generally don't. City in particular have been excellent in that respect and have got plenty of goals from midfield as a result.

 

[Dirtysanchez6]

Sabitzer hojbjerg lo celso basically has everything you want from a midfield 3 you have your ball winner your flair and your all rounder who chips in with goals ! Ndombele out sabitzer in for me

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Yeah I'm referring to Gylfi. And as a football coach I disagree, it depends on the player but I've had a few creative players struggle because their approach is too lax.

I thought you meant Sabitzer, my mistake.

Still, I don’t think aggression is a prerequisite for being a good CM. I think like any other position there’ll be a combination of factors in a players make up which make up his suitability for a position, with some areas stronger than others.

I’d say aggression helps mask poor reading of the game or poor positional sense, but I would want a midfielder lack these qualities anyway.

 

[arunspurs]

Ndombele - Skriniar swap.
Sell Lamela & Sissoko and fund Sabitzer. Like Lamela & Sissoko, Sabitzer can play in the right side midfield and centrally.
Sell Aurier,Rose & get Doherty or some good RB
Loan a striker or buy Wilson
Loan out Sess

We might look short on LB but Tanganga can fill in both RB & LB equally well. If we have some cash left, another LB would be good as well.
If we end up with this squad will be delighted...

GK : Lloris/Gazzaniga/Hart(H)
RB : Doherty/Foyth/Tanganga
LB : Davies/Cirkin
CB : Toby/Skriniar/Dier/Sanchez/
MF : Hojbjerg/Winks(H)/Lo Celso/Sabitzer/Dele(H)/Gedson
Winger : Son/Moura/Bergwijn
ST : Kane(H)/Wilson(H)

 

[wiggo24]

Ndombele - Skriniar swap.
Sell Lamela & Sissoko and fund Sabitzer. Like Lamela & Sissoko, Sabitzer can play in the right side midfield and centrally.
Sell Aurier,Rose & get Doherty or some good RB
Loan a striker or buy Wilson
Loan out Sess

We might look short on LB but Tanganga can fill in both RB & LB equally well. If we have some cash left, another LB would be good as well.
If we end up with this squad will be delighted...

GK : Lloris/Gazzaniga/Hart(H)
RB : Doherty/Foyth/Tanganga
LB : Davies/Cirkin
CB : Toby/Skriniar/Dier/Sanchez/
MF : Hojbjerg/Winks(H)/Lo Celso/Sabitzer/Dele(H)/Gedson
Winger : Son/Moura/Bergwijn
ST : Kane(H)/Wilson(H)

Agree that that would be an improvement but selling Lamela, Sissoko and Ndombele to only bring in Sabitzer as a midfielder would still leave us a little short imo. If you sold Foyth to sign Sangare or something then that'd be ideal for me.

 

[Cinemattis]

Donny Van De Beek or Sarbitzer - any of the two would be fine by me. Or someone else of similar mould and quality. We need more alternatives in the middle of the field, someone who is tactically smart, who can run, use the ball to set up others and score himself, to tackle, to put a shift in. In short: a top class 8/box-to-box/whatever you call them these days. Sadly the former seems destined to Barca with Koeman as the new manager.

If we could get our hands on one such player, it doesn´t mean we should let someone go: we need more quality in our squad. With Skipp loaned out, there aren´t that many good alternatives for CM. If we van get two such players, it´s time to offload Sissoko. Alternatively cancel the Gedson-loan (anyone yet to understand what that was all about?)

Lamela has never played CM for us, and probably never will. He´s being seen as - and used as - an AM (central and wide/right), so to offload him to make room for a CM is really mixing apples and oranges. The only argument may be the international vs HG factor.

 

[arunspurs]

Agree that that would be an improvement but selling Lamela, Sissoko and Ndombele to only bring in Sabitzer as a midfielder would still leave us a little short imo. If you sold Foyth to sign Sangare or something then that'd be ideal for me.

Agree on signing one more - as in my squad there's only 16 nonHG listed - but not sure it should be on expense of Foyth. Foyth has said he wants to fight for his place - if he is interested and hungry for it, then we should keep him. Proabably bring in Sangare with some net spend

 

[dagraham]

One of our problems is that our front players are often too selfish. They could frequently play each other into scoring positions, and less frequently set our midfielders up for a shot, but they generally don't. City in particular have been excellent in that respect and have got plenty of goals from midfield as a result.

Very true, but even if our midfielders are set up with good chances to score I wouldn’t put my money on any of them converting too often.

 

[Japhet]

Very true, but even if our midfielders are set up with good chances to score I wouldn’t put my money on any of them converting too often.

Well, they could do with a bit of practice for sure.

 

[y1dk1d]

Can’t we just send Fernandes back and forget the €56M agreed fee or whatever it’s is and put it towards Sabitzer ?